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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 18 2013 7:44 AM

Super Tramp:
One question/suggestion; Do "enrollees" qualify for academic pricing on other Logos resources? I think it would be a good marketing point.

Yes

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C.J. Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 18 2013 12:35 PM

I agree, I had the PrePub but then had to pull it as I will not be able to cover the entire cost in one single payment. With payment plans (even at the PrePub stage) and options this could be a great revenue stream for Logos (A company I want to see do well and be around for a very long time) and a very valuable resource to Christians in ministry like me who have no formal training but teach in both youth and adult ministry not to mention personal study and work in media ministry to help fellow believers and reach out to those who are lost.

So I'm asking for the opportunity to benefit from the PrePub price with a payment plan option so I can honour my pledge.

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Onell McCarthy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 18 2013 2:00 PM

we have been asking for payment help but no receding any reply

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 18 2013 2:28 PM

Everyone wanting payment plans try calling your sales rep. I've been told that my PrePub has been locked in, but before it comes time to ship, my sales rep will let me know it's shipping, and if I can't pay the full price upfront, he will offer me the option of a payment plan then. So that's what I did.

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Dale Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 22 2013 4:32 PM

I was asked to re-post this message from another forum.

Here is the heart of the issue. Logos Mobile Education is a whole new kind of distance learning designed to function within the ecosystem of a large (and expensive) digital library featuring both standard reference works and the latest unique Logos databases and tools.

We are answering the question, "What would a biblical education look like if it was designed from the ground up for learning with the efficiencies of the same digital environment in which our advanced users actually function when in ministry?" Comparing this product to auditing a lecture is like comparing the Bible on a Kindle to Logos Bible Software. Where does one begin to explain the differences?  If your desires and expectations are set in that direction, anything more than free will look overpriced just as many see Logos as overpriced and no better than Kindle. We live in a world of options.

This effort to make good use of the Logos ecosystem  in any on or off campus environment is the missing ingredient in every attempt at integration attempted up to this point. Schools can't control faculty and faculty don't ever have a broad enough understanding of the ecosystem to extract all the potential benefits. We have the opposite and problem. We know the system. We don't control what the schools teach or how they teach. The Mobile Ed project slices and dices the traditional lecture into pieces we can than re-arrange and combine in new patterns as we link into the ecosystem. We are taking their years of lecture experience and in a sense repackaging them until such time as a generation of faculty arise who are attune to the Logos ecosystem. We have our own curriculum designers. This is new turf. and will continue to morph as we learn more ourselves.

Let me say right up front. We are not in any way a "me too" product in either Logos Bible Software or Logos Mobile Ed. No matter which current online DE offering you choose for comparison, you will fail to compare two items of like kind. There is nothing like Logos Mobile Education which provides a total ecosystem for biblical education. There exists no other DE or live classroom option anywhere linked to a digital library or Logos databases for the entire curriculum. It is not easy and no school has even attempted to implement in every department/

Why even look at Logos Mobile Education in in the first place if it is just another set of online lectures disconnected from the Logos ecosystem like everybody else? All kinds of seminary lectures are available online at a price everybody can afford today. Free!

It has been said many times before but needs saying one more time. We are not competing as another flavor of the same thing everybody else is making. We are a reaction to everybody else. We are attempting to raise the bar and do something better and more efficiently. We better take less hours than others. Something is not working in the technology if we take as long as traditional memorization, research, page turning and visits to the library. Something is wrong if our lectures are not more efficient in course design, speed of delivery, graphics, reading, research and context sensative practical training. If you are going to measure us in the medieval  terms of class hours, seat time, lecture length memorization or time in the library we yield. Everybody takes longer and offers less learning efficiency than us! Does all this make us better? Maybe, I don't know. That is not my point. I do know our methods and resources make us different and make it impossible to hold a discussion on the merits of our prices without discussion the merits of our program. If you took a taxi from New York to LA, you would pay a lot and get a nice long ride but would you call it a better mode of transportation than a low cost, fast airplane ride? We are the airplane ride of education. 

Remember, we price based on the cost to build the vision. We don't build toward a cost target. We build to an ideal and then price it so we can make a profit, advance the science and invest in taking it further the next time. Like everything else we do, we have a vision of what this can be like years from now.

All that being said, we will offer the courses one by one just like books. We will also offer value bundles, just like books. As soon as we can work it out, we will allow bundles of courses to be purchased on payment plans. These courses are like college and seminary courses. They are also great for formal Church institute programs. They are not likely to be used in all but the most enthusiastic and dedicated small group studies. They assume the Platinum library. It is a significant investment designed for the person who can not put life on hold and go back to school.

If these courses look expensive to you remember that when these same courses are offered as part of an online degree program their cost may be a multiple higher. I hope this helps you understand where we are going with this.

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 22 2013 7:04 PM

Good points Dale. There's a few other thoughts on Biblical Education in general I'd like to throw into the mix, some that I feel Logos might be interested in hearing since Mobile Ed might be a good place to test some of them. Mind if I post them here or would you rather me personally message you?

Nathan Parker

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C.J. Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 22 2013 9:41 PM

Thanks for this Dale, I think it's great what you are all doing and this helps us understand the rationale for pricing etc. By the way I emailed customer services and they have sorted out the PrePub as a price plan so anyone needing payment option like me just email Logos and they will be able to help.

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Kelvin Niblett | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 23 2013 1:44 AM
John Fallahee:

This is exciting! This is why I started LearnLogos.com. Glad to see Logos recognizing the need.

It's a great resource too john and lots cheaper than logos mobile ed.
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Dale Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 23 2013 3:59 PM

Send me your ideas at dale@logos.com

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Dale Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 23 2013 4:11 PM

Help me. I keep reading all these comments about pricing and yet the nine courses for $995 works out to about $112 dollars per course. What am I missing here? Is there some college or seminary program with top professors, which is linked to to a vast portable library that by comparison, makes this look over priced? I can understand when somebody says they can not afford it at this time, but I am having a hard time hearing the course characterized as over priced by people who are just guessing about it.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 23 2013 4:15 PM

Dale Pritchett:

Help me. I keep reading all these comments about pricing and yet the nine courses for $995 works out to about $112 dollars per course. What am I missing here? Is there some college or seminary program with top professors, which is linked to to a vast portable library that by comparison, makes this look over priced? I can understand when somebody says they can not afford it at this time, but I am having a hard time hearing the course characterized as over priced by people who are just guessing about it.

For an individual who is not in full time ministry, they may only be interested in one or two courses. Not willing to commit the full amount even over a year on a payment plan. See how soon you can break it up and let individuals subscribe to one course at a time. It is an easier sell even for persons in full time ministry to pay the $995.00 as opposed to $112.00. 

Not everyone will be interested in all of the courses. Personally, I have my eyes on one or two courses, but not the whole thing. Don't have the time, money or interest in all of the courses.

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Kenneth Neighoff | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 23 2013 4:53 PM

When it comes to the pricing of this set, I would say that it is fair. 

Out of the nine courses, only one appeals to me personally right now.

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 23 2013 7:24 PM

Kelvin Niblett:
John Fallahee:

This is exciting! This is why I started LearnLogos.com. Glad to see Logos recognizing the need.

It's a great resource too john and lots cheaper than logos mobile ed.

What's LearnLogos.com? Haven't heard of it.

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 23 2013 7:25 PM

Dale Pritchett:

Send me your ideas at dale@logos.com

Sounds good. Give me time to whip it all up and I'll send it your way when I have a free moment. I may put some of it into audio form and send you the files since it might be easier to explain that way. Just a little vision I have on the structuring of seminary/college courses that might be neat to test out within Mobile Ed.

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 23 2013 7:28 PM

Dale Pritchett:

Help me. I keep reading all these comments about pricing and yet the nine courses for $995 works out to about $112 dollars per course. What am I missing here? Is there some college or seminary program with top professors, which is linked to to a vast portable library that by comparison, makes this look over priced? I can understand when somebody says they can not afford it at this time, but I am having a hard time hearing the course characterized as over priced by people who are just guessing about it.

It's definitely a good value. While I'm sure I can't afford the $995 up front on my CC when it ships, my sales rep said he'd work out a payment plan with me on it, and as long as you're offering options like that, it's hard not to pass up. Personally I think it's a great value. I'm sure the content will be top notch, the integration with Logos wonderful, and I can't wait to see where else this is all going. I'm personally interested in most of the courses. You could break up the set so users could purchase individual courses, but I'd rather get the bundle. Since I'm in the heart of seminary training, I'll take all I can get right now to deepen my studies. 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 23 2013 7:42 PM

Nathan Parker:
What's LearnLogos.com? Haven't heard of it

You have the address. Go check it out. It is high quality training with a very affordable pricing structure.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 23 2013 8:01 PM

Dale Pritchett:

Is there some college or seminary program with top professors, which is linked to to a vast portable library that by comparison, makes this look over priced?

I can understand why mED is not pursuing accreditation. But then when it comes to pricing, you want users to consider what college or seminary costs. If we are comparing apples to oranges regarding accreditation, then it is also comparing apples to oranges regarding pricing. Moody's AM Courseware was $800 for 32 courses. This may be a benchmark for unaccredited, non-transferable courses.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 23 2013 8:25 PM

David Thomas:
I can understand why mED is not pursuing accreditation. But then when it comes to pricing, you want users to consider what college or seminary costs. If we are comparing apples to oranges regarding accreditation, then it is also comparing apples to oranges regarding pricing. Moody's AM Courseware was $800 for 32 courses. This may be a benchmark for unaccredited, non-transferable courses.

Moody's courseware did not have video of professors. It did not have a Faithlife support group. The content was good but I imagine Logos Mobile Education will far surpass the AM Moody resource. That is just my opinion.

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 24 2013 12:31 PM

Super Tramp:

Nathan Parker:
What's LearnLogos.com? Haven't heard of it

You have the address. Go check it out. It is high quality training with a very affordable pricing structure.

It does look good. I may attend a few webinars and purchase some specialized training from him. I'll continue to support Morris as well since he is a great instructor, but I could support both of them and just extend my training.

Thanks!

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Mike Heiser | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 25 2013 12:14 PM

I can't say I'm familiar with what John is doing, but I don't believe he's hiring professors from around the country for his content. If he is, let us know! 

We've had almost two dozen in for filming, and that's just the beginning. 

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