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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jun 10 2013 10:02 AM

Would having the ability to create bulletins (i.e. pull together all your liturgical sources, such as collects, hymns, etc., in one document for printing and distribution at worship services) be a valuable tool in Logos?  If so, how much?  

I'd love to hear any thoughts anyone (clergy or lay) has about this or related ideas.

(note: I'm making no promises about potential features in Logos. I'm just trying to get feedback on how valuable it would be for me to push for particular features Wink)

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 10 2013 10:24 AM

Um - Rite Stuff? Of course, not all Anglicans are ECUSA, but why re-invent the wheel?

But then again, I am a LCMS Lutheran, and not creating bulletins at this time either (although I have done so in the past).

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Eleanor Emmott | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 10 2013 11:17 AM

I'm not Anglican, but I think it would be helpful

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 10 2013 12:17 PM

oh man... do you know how much we could save in bulletin-paper-printing?? ALOT

If we could move our Sunday church bulletin into digital and into our phone.... that would be awesome. Our young adult would love it, because sometimes we forget whats written in bulletin once we go home after church.

plus our church is small (<200), so we need to save as much as we can to buy our own building.

If I have permission, i'll upload an example of our church's bulletin.

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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 10 2013 12:52 PM

mike:

oh man... do you know how much we could save in bulletin-paper-printing?? ALOT

If we could move our Sunday church bulletin into digital and into our phone.... that would be awesome. Our young adult would love it, because sometimes we forget whats written in bulletin once we go home after church.

plus our church is small (<200), so we need to save as much as we can to buy our own building.

Thanks for the feedback, Mike! I really appreciate it Big Smile

mike:
If I have permission, i'll upload an example of our church's bulletin.

That would be great!  Yes

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 10 2013 1:06 PM

Not Anglican Ben, but is that not the purpose of handouts? Just make it available so that it can be downloaded as a pdf file.

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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 10 2013 1:14 PM

Lynden Williams:

Not Anglican Ben, but is that not the purpose of handouts? Just make it available so that it can be downloaded as a pdf file.

A lot of the benefit would be in creating the handouts.  You often have to pull from a number of different sources (BCP, lectionary, hymnal, etc.), rather than cutting and pasting (literally or figuratively), the function I'm talking about would allow you to pull them all together and then export them to Word or a PDF (or something else).  Also, I would think we could potentially integrate it with Proclaim.

Again, this is still in the very early planning stages, but fleshing out these questions will help me when it comes time to trying to get some of these features added, so thanks! Big Smile

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Kevin Maples | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 10 2013 6:15 PM
I have a secretary that handles the bulletin as I expect all but the smaller churches do. So I wouldn't use this feature.
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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 10 2013 6:31 PM

Not Anglican, not priest, pastor or church administrator. However, as a former coordinator of lay liturgical ministers, I would love the feature to prepare lectors/liturgical readers. However, it must have links to resources such as:

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David Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 14 2013 4:49 PM

Would be useful to be able to put together Liturgical Services in Proclaim more easily (some of the ideas re bulletins would work there too).

A key improvement would be to have the ability to share a given Liturgy presentation with other churches so that we do not have to develop each one independently.

Linking each liturgy to the Lectionary for each week would be a big help. 

Also needed is any easy way to lay out Psalms so that we can have them said/sung responsively by full verse of half verse by having the lines in different font color on each slide.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 14 2013 5:19 PM

Yes, this would be useful, however we also usually have additional stuff in our bulletins (e.g., announcements), so it would have to allow for adding custom extra stuff.

And again, why limit this to just Anglicans? We're a Mennonite congregation and yet we might be able to use something like this.

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 14 2013 6:07 PM

Rosie Perera:

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And again, why limit this to just Anglicans? We're a Mennonite congregation and yet we might be able to use something like this.

I would have to agree w/rosie here, the line of questioning seems rather filled with a mouthful of bias......I would like to read his answer....I am wondering if his personal opinion is that the Anglicans would be the only group to benefit from this)?(

 

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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 14 2013 9:45 PM

Rosie Perera:
however we also usually have additional stuff in our bulletins (e.g., announcements), so it would have to allow for adding custom extra stuff.

Yeah, I guess it would need to be flexible to allow for stuff like that.

Rosie Perera:
And again, why limit this to just Anglicans? We're a Mennonite congregation and yet we might be able to use something like this.

Definitely! It would be able to be used by anyone who had a need.  I'm just trying to use this particular forum to get a sense of the Anglican audience as we look at putting together an Anglican base package.  I'm not trying to exclude anyone AT ALL Big Smile

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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 14 2013 9:53 PM

Just a disclaimer here before this goes any further: I'm not insinuating that Anglicans are the only people who could or should be able to use a feature like this.  As I am the Anglican product manager, and this is the Anglican product forum, I'm just trying to get a sense of the Anglican audience.

I would be overjoyed if this was a feature everyone could use.  The more potential users, the better the chance that the feature would be added.  If you would like to see this feature added, please make some noise all over the forums! 

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 14 2013 10:14 PM

Try not to forget us up north too… We have our own Book of Alternative Services and Supplemental Eucharist's from 1998.

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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 14 2013 10:25 PM

Dan Francis:
Try not to forget us up north too… We have our own Book of Alternative Services and Supplemental Eucharist's from 1998.

Thanks, Dan. I'm working on getting the BAS. Big Smile I'm having trouble placing the Supplemental Eucharists you're referring to. Was that an update to the BAS?  I have a feeling I do know what it is but its just slipping my mind at the moment.  If you could send me a link to some info I would be grateful.

I've been trying to create a list of prayer books from all the various provinces. So if you (or anyone else) has info on prayer books or other liturgical sources that aren't included in The Book of Common Prayer Collection, I would really appreciate you letting me know.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 15 2013 12:40 AM

Ben Amundgaard:
I've been trying to create a list of prayer books from all the various provinces. So if you (or anyone else) has info on prayer books or other liturgical sources that aren't included in The Book of Common Prayer Collection, I would really appreciate you letting me know

I'm sure that MJ will be able to give you all the info you may want on this topic (plus more) - speaking of topics, you may wish to look into the existing Reading Lists by searching http://topics.logos.com/search.aspx?q=liturgy and such.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 15 2013 12:57 AM

The Oxford Guide to the Book of Common Prayer: A Worldwide Survey by Charles Hefling and Cynthia Shattuck should give you the BCPs.

An Anglican Liturgical Library http://www.oremus.org/liturgy/ will give you a big chunk of liturgical books but not the breviaries of the various Anglican orders.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 15 2013 1:13 AM

http://anglicansonline.org/resources/liturgical.html gives a full Anglican Breviary and perhaps some other Liturgy of the Hours; it also has a section on the Anglican use of prayer beads.

Book of Worship: Anglican Use Catholic is the Anglican rite of the Catholic Church.

The Joint Liturgy Group in the UK developed some interesting lectionaries including a 4-year one ... their work would be nice to have in Logos.

The Sarum Missal is available in English and Latin http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/Sarum/

Numerous older resources are given at http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Liturgics.html

That should keep you busy this upcoming week ... let me know when you run out of titles to track down.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 15 2013 1:29 AM
  • The Very Pure Word of God: The Book of Common Prayer as a Model of Biblical Liturgy by Peter Adam, Mark Burkill and Gerald L Bray
  • Sacramental Life: Spiritual Formation Through the Book of Common Prayer by David A. deSilva
  • Opening the Prayer Book (New Church's Teaching Series) by Jeffrey Lee
  • Commentary on the American Prayer Book by Marion J. Hatchett
  • The Prayer Book Guide to Christian Education: Revised Common Lectionary by Sharon Ely Pearson and Robyn Szoke
  • The Oxford Guide to the Book of Common Prayer: A Worldwide Survey by Charles Hefling and Cynthia Shattuck

These are among the better supporting materials that ought to be in Logos. I should admit that 75% of my "Episcopal" friends self-identify as Anglo-Catholic so my judgment may be slightly slanted (not to mention that I'm Catholic).

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