Searching for "Father" referring to God

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Michael March | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jun 18 2013 5:44 AM

I apologize in advance if this has been posted, I could not find it.

Is it possible to search for the word "father" and filter it out so that the results only show those occurrences which refer to God?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2013 5:49 AM

Michael March:
Is it possible to search for the word "father" and filter it out so that the results only show those occurrences which refer to God?

I don't believe you can do this in a search - it would require being able to search for the string and filter on how the word is tagged in the results

However, you can do this the other way round.

Look up "God" in Bible Facts and then look at "Father" in the "Referred to as" section (bottom of screenshot below)

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Michael March | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2013 6:28 AM

Thank you Graham. You're right, I was trying to figure out how to search the word with the tags as a search option. But your solution will do the job quite nicely. Now, thanks to your help, I'm back to the study...

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2013 6:36 AM

Michael March:
Now, thanks to your help, I'm back to the study..

Excellent - that's what we're here forSmile

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Michael March | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2013 6:39 AM

Notice that when I do this, I don't get any of the (two) OT references that you have on your screen shot. My total shows this discrepancy, at 224 to your 226. What am I missing?

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Michael March | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2013 6:40 AM

Sorry, I tried to paste a snip into the reply and it didn't show up.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2013 6:41 AM

Hi Michael

Michael March:
But your solution will do the job quite nicely

Incidentally, I don't know if you noticed but you can expand the section (click on the ...), select all the references (drag your mouse and Ctrl-C) and paste the results into a Passage List.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2013 6:46 AM

Michael March:

Notice that when I do this, I don't get any of the (two) OT references that you have on your screen shot. My total shows this discrepancy, at 224 to your 226. What am I missing?

I wonder if we have a different version of the Referents database. Mine was updated this morningSmile

If you go into help (question mark at top right of screen) and select "About Logos Bible Software" on the left hand side you will see a list of datasets with their dates - my Bible Facts details are as below:

What date do you have against the Biblical Referents DB?

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Michael March | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2013 7:13 AM

that could be it:

DB:BIBLICAL-REFERENTS
2012-11-29T01:02:13Z
BiblicalReferents.lbsbrd

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2013 7:33 AM

Michael March:

that could be it:

DB:BIBLICAL-REFERENTS
2012-11-29T01:02:13Z
BiblicalReferents.lbsbrd

entering the command "update now" should sort it

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Michael March | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2013 7:52 AM

I tried that, "no updates available"

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2013 8:31 AM

Graham, you're on beta aren't you? I'm guessing Michael isn't, and that that update is restricted to beta users. I know I got a bunch of updates when I downloaded the RC.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2013 8:54 AM

Hi fgh

fgh:
Graham, you're on beta aren't you? I'm guessing Michael isn't, and that that update is restricted to beta users. I know I got a bunch of updates when I downloaded the RC.

Yes, good point, thanksYes

Michael, sorry about thatEmbarrassed

I guess we need Logos to comment on whether the updated database does include the two Old Testament references or whether there is another issue here.

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Michael March | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2013 9:13 AM

I actually am on beta...

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2013 9:16 AM

Michael March:

I apologize in advance if this has been posted, I could not find it.

Is it possible to search for the word "father" and filter it out so that the results only show those occurrences which refer to God?

Although this restricts the results to the NT, you could try this LouwNida (only available for NT references) search on any reverse interlinear: <LouwNida = Louw Nida 12.12>

NOTE: LouwNida is not infallible.

ALSO NOTE: there are very few references in the OT to God as Father, there are some references that refer to God's people as His children, referring indirectly then to God as Father. I dealt with this issue a couple of years back, and wish I could be more specific. But the LN # search should get you along way toward your goal.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2013 9:17 AM

Michael March:
I actually am on beta...

in which case - can I suggest you try "update resources" as opposed to "update now"?

It takes longer but is more thorough (I should really have suggested that before)

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2013 7:05 PM

You can try these:

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Michael March | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 19 2013 6:49 AM

Wow, excellent! Thank you. Should have thought of Naves or a similar, I was going at it from the other direction...

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 19 2013 9:38 PM

Michael March:
Is it possible to search for the word "father" and filter it out so that the results only show those occurrences which refer to God?

Clause search may be an option:

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 19 2013 10:41 PM

Hi KS4J

using clause search in the way you suggested is a great idea.

i thought there must have been some way of doing that but couldn't figure out what it was.

interesting that it seems to produce different results to my suggestion!

EDIT: looking again at your OT results, the first one (Gen 17:5) seems to be a false positive as the term "father" seems to be referring to Abraham as opposed to God

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