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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 4 2014 9:54 AM

Leigh Johnson:

OK.  In an earlier post by Michael Grigoni he said, "Whatever resource you purchase for use within your existing Logos account will be available to you whether you log into and use a Logos-branded or Noet-branded app. In other words, Noet resources will not have to be run on a separate app."  I took this to include the free Noet resources as well.  Will have to see how the Noet app functions compared to the Bible app.

Yeah, that quote does specifically refer to resources you purchasePurchased resources are available on every platform.

Each mobile app (Noet, Bible, Faithlife, Verbum) has its own set of free resources that can only be used within that app.  It would be nice if Logos would do the same for their desktop apps, but they don't because it would increase their support costs without any increase in revenue.

The Noet app seems to be identical to the Bible app except the Passage Guide has been removed (plus, it's magenta instead of blue).

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Anthony Grubb | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 11 2014 9:12 PM

Denise:

Pretty nifty.  I really like the use of a different color for each app. Seems extremely minor but I now use Noet for general reading, Logos for Bible study, and Vyrso for devotionals.  And no re-learning.  I'm so happy, I even wrote a review!

You seem pretty optimistic, which is great, but I have some technical questions.  I loaded the Logos (Android) app first, then the Vryso, and then noticed they have essentially the same library (the Logos added about 8 books to my regular library, some Bibles I could try-before-I-buy, so to speak, and use as long as I have an internet connection).  However, the Vyso library was missing about 8 books in my current PC library--so a difference of about 16 books between the two apps.  Now I think it is astounding so many of my ebooks run on these platforms (cuz 2-3 years ago, I heard the support was far spottier--like maybe only 60% of the ebooks were supported for mobile apps at that time).  Also I'm noticing some library issues on the Biblia site (where none of my Philip Yancey books will run).  I ended up removing my Vyrso app, and now am slightly curious what would happen if I ran the Faithlife Bible or Noet app?  Would I get access to additional resources not in my current library?  Also, does this have the same effect on an Android device as installing and uninstalling on a PC (where the registry gets full of junk)?  If the app engines are so similar, why not just have one engine with optional skins like Windows Media Player?  And to satisfy people like Denise (and me), why not just allow a user to set up 4 or 5 different popular workspace Layouts, as the PC version does?  One for the Bible, one for the devotion, one for novels, etc., as Denise mentioned.  It seems kind of wasteful to load three or four large apps and use up the Android's storage if these are essentially the same engine and access essentially the same library.  A thoughtful response would be appreciated.  Thank you!

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 12 2014 12:52 AM

Hi Anthony

Anthony Grubb:
and then noticed they have essentially the same library (the Logos added about 8 books to my regular library, some Bibles I could try-before-I-buy, so to speak, and use as long as I have an internet connection).

That is correct, Logos make different "for-free" resources available for the different mobile apps

Anthony Grubb:
However, the Vyso library was missing about 8 books in my current PC library

I would have expected the same books to be missing from the Logos Bible! app as well - assuming these are resources which are not mobile-enabled. Is that not the case?

Anthony Grubb:
 Also I'm noticing some library issues on the Biblia site (where none of my Philip Yancey books will run)

I'm seeing this as well - my four Yancey books are visible in the desktop and on the mobile apps but not in Biblia. I'll crosspost this in the biblia forum to see if we can find out what is going on here.

EDIT: Cross-posted at http://community.logos.com/forums/t/87838.aspx 

Anthony Grubb:
and now am slightly curious what would happen if I ran the Faithlife Bible or Noet app?  Would I get access to additional resources not in my current library?

You probably would get access to a few free resources which are specifically linked with those apps. - but I don't have a list of what those resources are.

Anthony Grubb:
 And to satisfy people like Denise (and me), why not just allow a user to set up 4 or 5 different popular workspace Layouts, as the PC version does?  One for the Bible, one for the devotion, one for novels, etc

Alabama, one of our forum MVPs, has regularly requested that Logos implement "projects" on the mobile apps which would provide the functionality you are looking for and it would be very useful. As yet I haven't seen any response from Logos regarding this

Anthony Grubb:
 It seems kind of wasteful to load three or four large apps and use up the Android's storage if these are essentially the same engine and access essentially the same library

True - i tend to just have one of the apps downloaded to my Android phone but I have four or five on my iPad which has more space. I also tend to download specific resources to specific apps to minimise the amount of duplication.

.Hope this helps a little, Graham

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Anthony Grubb | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 12 2014 5:01 PM

Graham Criddle:

Anthony Grubb:
However, the Vyso library was missing about 8 books in my current PC library

I would have expected the same books to be missing from the Logos Bible! app as well - assuming these are resources which are not mobile-enabled. Is that not the case?



First off, thank you very much for a thoughtful and detailed reply. 

Now, to answer your question:
On the day I ran this, I had 2510 books (blame the Perseus Texts, lol) in my Logos 5 Library for PC.  However, the Android LOGOS app reported 2519 books in its library, including KJV and AV (where my PC "just" has AV), and also the HCSB (which was not downloadable, because I don't own it), and some 7 other resources, presumably all Bible Translations, as well.  

I don't know which 8 resources were missing in my Vyrso Library, but it only reported 2502 resources.   The Yancey books were available for both apps, but not for the Biblia.com website. And also, my 1984 NIV also does NOT run in my Biblia.com account, even though I own it. Thanks! 

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Drew Hannay | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 12 2014 6:26 PM

The Logos Bible! app includes ~77 free-to-access-online books if you're signed in. The Vyrso app currently includes 40+ free books for authenticated users, but the set of Vyrso freebies changes every month, so I'm not sure how accurate that number will be.

All that to say, it's difficult to figure out exact library counts across different apps because the resource count in each app will be affected by that app's freebies.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 12 2014 11:00 PM

Anthony Grubb:

[And also, my 1984 NIV also does NOT run in my Biblia.com account, even though I own it. Thanks! 

Logos are unable to provide the NIV84 on Biblia.com due to licensing restrictions.

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Anthony Grubb | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 27 2014 11:03 PM

Drew Hannay:

The Logos Bible! app includes ~77 free-to-access-online books if you're signed in. The Vyrso app currently includes 40+ free books for authenticated users, but the set of Vyrso freebies changes every month, so I'm not sure how accurate that number will be.

All that to say, it's difficult to figure out exact library counts across different apps because the resource count in each app will be affected by that app's freebies.

Thanks Drew.  I'm guessing that's how they look to someone without an existing library and loading the apps and free resources, such as the Failthlife library, etc. I'm guessing I own a good chunk of the 77 free-to-access online books already in my licensed library, probably about 65 of them, leaving me 12 more I can try out.  Also, I grab a lot of the free Vyrso freebies, and so they are already in my licensed library count, as well.  In my experience, the Vyrso app seemed to be missing resources, but yeah, it would be difficult to know for sure without line-by-line accounting for each resource--and I've already removed the app with no plans to bring it back.  I guess my curiosity is getting the best of me, though.  Decided to install the Noet app to see what changes are.  My Logos 5/Windows reports 2525 resources following a few more acquisitions over the past two weeks.  I just installed the Noet app while typing this, and though it comes with two versions of the Homer's "Iliad" pre-installed that I do not own, and access-while-connected to such resources as Dante's "Divine Comedy" and Milton's "Paradise Lost", (to spare you a tedious listing, I do have access-while-connected on my Noet app to everything I've spot-checked listed on this page: http://blog.logos.com/2014/01/noet-app/ , or about 18 resources--since at least two titles listed there are comprised of two-volumes).  I only seem to already own one of those resources (Confessions), so there should be about 17 additional resources at my disposal through my Noet app.  


Oddly, though, the entire library for Noet, while connected, with access to these 17 additional titles, only reports 2522 resources, not 2525+17=2542, as one may suppose, but 2522, or 20 missing titles.  We can subtract my three personal books from the list, they do not appear in any app.  If so, it means I must trade off one title I do own for every title I do not own but have access to while connected to my account. In fact, after rounding up the usual suspects, my 3 Yancey books, Faithlife Bible, NIV'11 & '84, Thomas Nelson 3 ebible quickstarts--which I don't need, but are there--in fact, I have no idea which 17 resources are missing at the moment, and cannot fathom why it should be necessary for them to drop out of my library, but they evidently have.  

A run of my Logos Android App yields a library with 2533 resources, or eight more total than the Logos 5 on my PC (and of course, my 3 personal books do not run on it, nor does my International Standard Version-NT so it really represents about 12 additional resources i have access to while connected--and they all appear to be bibles from the 10 I have been able to identify (HCSB, God's Word, Robinson's Byzantine Greek NT, Scrivener's Greek NT--1894, Elzivir Textus Receptus--1624, Stephen's Greek NT--1550 with Morphology, Reina Valera (Spanish), RH Charles Apocrypha, Cambridge Paragraph Bible of the AV, and King James).

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Anthony Grubb | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 28 2014 12:19 AM

Graham Criddle:

Anthony Grubb:

[And also, my 1984 NIV also does NOT run in my Biblia.com account, even though I own it. Thanks! 

Logos are unable to provide the NIV84 on Biblia.com due to licensing restrictions.

Thanks for the explanation. Now, why did you say "Logos are unable"?  Sounds wrong.  Logos is a single entity.  "Logos is unable," right?

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