Noet Mobile App for iOS and Andriod Now Available
We're pleased to announce that the Noet mobile app for iOS and Android is now available.
We'll roll out messaging about the app's availability later this week, but I wanted to let forum users know in advance. Download the app and get us your feedback. Generous reviews at the Apple, Google Play and Amazon stores are much appreciated, especially at this early stage of Noet's existence.
To download the app, visit Noet.com or follow these links:
Please also let your friends know, especially those who may not have used Logos technology before. This is a great opportunity to share the wealth of our software with those who may not necessarily be interested in biblical and theological study but have interests in the humanities. Thanks!
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I downloaded it for both my iPod and iPad. Pretty nifty. I really like the use of a different color for each app. Seems extremely minor but I now use Noet for general reading, Logos for Bible study, and Vyrso for devotionals. And no re-learning.
I'm so happy, I even wrote a review; best I can determine Noet's the only classics game in town that supports decent greek/latin reading/analysis. Or at least nothing shows up in the search anyway.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
best I can determine Noet's the only classics game in town that supports decent greek/latin reading/analysis. Or at least nothing shows up in the search anyway.
And the first volume of Homer's Iliad that is due to ship tomorrow is already available! [Y]
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Yes, we've included the first volume of the Loeb Classical Library edition of Homer's Iliad (Greek and English) as free resources for use within the mobile app. We've also included the Loeb edition of Boethius' Theological Tractates and Consolation of Philosophy (Latin and English) as well. Together we hope this will enable new customers to explore the original-language capabilities of the app.
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Michael,
When I downloaded the Noet app it tells me that there is an update for Homer's Illiad, but when I try to download it, I get the following message. This is not available for download only online use. The Greek as of right now is not tagged? Will this be added in the future?
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Looks like us Noet-ers have been Homer-ified. Not only can one not download it, you can't delete it either. Homer just moved in, took the best livingroom chair, and smiled.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Kenneth, thanks for bringing this to our attention. And yes, the Greek in volume 1 of Homer's Iliad should be tagged. We're working on it and I'll update this thread when the issue has been resolved.
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Michael,
It was my understanding that the Noet resources would run within the Logos Bible Software on the desktop and on my Logos app for iPhone/iPad.
Will the Noet resources have to be run on a separate app? And will they not be integrated into the Logos resources?
best,
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Will there be a Noet app for Windows & Mac too? What if serious scholars of the classics want to be doing serious writing about them (which many will)? Mobile platforms aren't the best for major content creation, even if they're fantastic for content consumption.
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Peace, Michael! I'm so very, very grateful! My Noet app downloaded smoothly! I now have Gallic Wars English on the Left Side of a split screen and the Latin on right! Wonderful! They sync perfectly together .... Some of the "lookup" items seem to be working well with the Latin!
Just before that, I had English Iliad on the left with the Greek on the right ... They also synced perfectly! Thank you, Logos...
I will give the app a tremendously high rating, but cannot do so for 24 or 48 hours or so ...
just writing now to say a Big Thank You! *smile*
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Dale Courtney said:
It was my understanding that the Noet resources would run within the Logos Bible Software on the desktop and on my Logos app for iPhone/iPad.
Will the Noet resources have to be run on a separate app?
You are correct in your understanding. Whatever resource you purchase for use within your existing Logos account will be available to you whether you log into and use a Logos-branded or Noet-branded app. In other words, Noet resources will not have to be run on a separate app.
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Rosie Perera said:
Will there be a Noet app for Windows & Mac too? What if serious scholars of the classics want to be doing serious writing about them (which many will)? Mobile platforms aren't the best for major content creation, even if they're fantastic for content consumption.
Yes, we're planning on releasing a Noet desktop application for Windows and Mac in 2014. I've reviewed the beta and it's looking good.
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Milford Charles Murray said:
I will give the app a tremendously high rating, but cannot do so for 24 or 48 hours or so ...
just writing now to say a Big Thank You! *smile*
Thanks Milford! [:)]
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Michael Grigoni said:
Yes, we're planning on releasing a Noet desktop application for Windows and Mac in 2014. I've reviewed the beta and it's looking good.
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Looking forward to giving it a spin.
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About the " the original-language capabilities", I'm puzzled to understand what is it the meaning? You mean reading side by side in english and greek? Or the ability to check original language dictionaries? Or the word-study tool?
Because I tried yesterday Noet and I couldnt think of any new way to use my logos library with it. And I'm sure it is my fault.
Can you go more verbose, please?
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Paolo russo said:
About the " the original-language capabilities", I'm puzzled to understand what is it the meaning? You mean reading side by side in english and greek? Or the ability to check original language dictionaries? Or the word-study tool?
By original-language capabilities I mean the ability to select original language terms in tagged resources and get the gloss, lemma, and morphology in return. As you've indicated, this isn't *new* functionality, but that's precisely the point. Noet allows us to take our existing technology and apply it to new disciplines for new audiences. Our hope is that Noet will enable us to offer this technology to those who would not otherwise use Logos Bible Software but who are interested in original-language study within the humanities.
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Thanks for the tagging update to Homer
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I installed the Noet app for Android on my tablet, have logged in with my logos information, but the Noet resources do not seem to be showing up in Logos on my laptop.
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Leigh Johnson said:
I installed the Noet app for Android on my tablet, have logged in with my logos information, but the Noet resources do not seem to be showing up in Logos on my laptop.
The Noet resources are only free on the mobile device (Android or iOS). You have to buy them if you want to use them with Logos 5 on Windows or Mac.
I'm not sure why Logos doesn't make that clear in any of their marketing materials.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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OK. In an earlier post by Michael Grigoni he said, "Whatever resource you purchase for use within your existing Logos account will be available to you whether you log into and use a Logos-branded or Noet-branded app. In other words, Noet resources will not have to be run on a separate app." I took this to include the free Noet resources as well. Will have to see how the Noet app functions compared to the Bible app.
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Leigh Johnson said:
OK. In an earlier post by Michael Grigoni he said, "Whatever resource you purchase for use within your existing Logos account will be available to you whether you log into and use a Logos-branded or Noet-branded app. In other words, Noet resources will not have to be run on a separate app." I took this to include the free Noet resources as well. Will have to see how the Noet app functions compared to the Bible app.
Yeah, that quote does specifically refer to resources you purchase. Purchased resources are available on every platform.
Each mobile app (Noet, Bible, Faithlife, Verbum) has its own set of free resources that can only be used within that app. It would be nice if Logos would do the same for their desktop apps, but they don't because it would increase their support costs without any increase in revenue.
The Noet app seems to be identical to the Bible app except the Passage Guide has been removed (plus, it's magenta instead of blue).
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Denise said:
Pretty nifty. I really like the use of a different color for each app. Seems extremely minor but I now use Noet for general reading, Logos for Bible study, and Vyrso for devotionals. And no re-learning. I'm so happy, I even wrote a review!
You seem pretty optimistic, which is great, but I have some technical questions. I loaded the Logos (Android) app first, then the Vryso, and then noticed they have essentially the same library (the Logos added about 8 books to my regular library, some Bibles I could try-before-I-buy, so to speak, and use as long as I have an internet connection). However, the Vyso library was missing about 8 books in my current PC library--so a difference of about 16 books between the two apps. Now I think it is astounding so many of my ebooks run on these platforms (cuz 2-3 years ago, I heard the support was far spottier--like maybe only 60% of the ebooks were supported for mobile apps at that time). Also I'm noticing some library issues on the Biblia site (where none of my Philip Yancey books will run). I ended up removing my Vyrso app, and now am slightly curious what would happen if I ran the Faithlife Bible or Noet app? Would I get access to additional resources not in my current library? Also, does this have the same effect on an Android device as installing and uninstalling on a PC (where the registry gets full of junk)? If the app engines are so similar, why not just have one engine with optional skins like Windows Media Player? And to satisfy people like Denise (and me), why not just allow a user to set up 4 or 5 different popular workspace Layouts, as the PC version does? One for the Bible, one for the devotion, one for novels, etc., as Denise mentioned. It seems kind of wasteful to load three or four large apps and use up the Android's storage if these are essentially the same engine and access essentially the same library. A thoughtful response would be appreciated. Thank you!
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Hi Anthony
Anthony Grubb said:and then noticed they have essentially the same library (the Logos added about 8 books to my regular library, some Bibles I could try-before-I-buy, so to speak, and use as long as I have an internet connection).
That is correct, Logos make different "for-free" resources available for the different mobile apps
Anthony Grubb said:However, the Vyso library was missing about 8 books in my current PC library
I would have expected the same books to be missing from the Logos Bible! app as well - assuming these are resources which are not mobile-enabled. Is that not the case?
Anthony Grubb said:Also I'm noticing some library issues on the Biblia site (where none of my Philip Yancey books will run)
I'm seeing this as well - my four Yancey books are visible in the desktop and on the mobile apps but not in Biblia. I'll crosspost this in the biblia forum to see if we can find out what is going on here.
EDIT: Cross-posted at http://community.logos.com/forums/t/87838.aspx
Anthony Grubb said:and now am slightly curious what would happen if I ran the Faithlife Bible or Noet app? Would I get access to additional resources not in my current library?
You probably would get access to a few free resources which are specifically linked with those apps. - but I don't have a list of what those resources are.
Anthony Grubb said:And to satisfy people like Denise (and me), why not just allow a user to set up 4 or 5 different popular workspace Layouts, as the PC version does? One for the Bible, one for the devotion, one for novels, etc
Alabama, one of our forum MVPs, has regularly requested that Logos implement "projects" on the mobile apps which would provide the functionality you are looking for and it would be very useful. As yet I haven't seen any response from Logos regarding this
Anthony Grubb said:It seems kind of wasteful to load three or four large apps and use up the Android's storage if these are essentially the same engine and access essentially the same library
True - i tend to just have one of the apps downloaded to my Android phone but I have four or five on my iPad which has more space. I also tend to download specific resources to specific apps to minimise the amount of duplication.
.Hope this helps a little, Graham
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First off, thank you very much for a thoughtful and detailed reply.Graham Criddle said:Anthony Grubb said:However, the Vyso library was missing about 8 books in my current PC library
I would have expected the same books to be missing from the Logos Bible! app as well - assuming these are resources which are not mobile-enabled. Is that not the case?
Now, to answer your question:
On the day I ran this, I had 2510 books (blame the Perseus Texts, lol) in my Logos 5 Library for PC. However, the Android LOGOS app reported 2519 books in its library, including KJV and AV (where my PC "just" has AV), and also the HCSB (which was not downloadable, because I don't own it), and some 7 other resources, presumably all Bible Translations, as well.
I don't know which 8 resources were missing in my Vyrso Library, but it only reported 2502 resources. The Yancey books were available for both apps, but not for the Biblia.com website. And also, my 1984 NIV also does NOT run in my Biblia.com account, even though I own it. Thanks!0 -
The Logos Bible! app includes ~77 free-to-access-online books if you're signed in. The Vyrso app currently includes 40+ free books for authenticated users, but the set of Vyrso freebies changes every month, so I'm not sure how accurate that number will be.
All that to say, it's difficult to figure out exact library counts across different apps because the resource count in each app will be affected by that app's freebies.
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Anthony Grubb said:
[And also, my 1984 NIV also does NOT run in my Biblia.com account, even though I own it. Thanks!
Logos are unable to provide the NIV84 on Biblia.com due to licensing restrictions.
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Drew Hannay said:
The Logos Bible! app includes ~77 free-to-access-online books if you're signed in. The Vyrso app currently includes 40+ free books for authenticated users, but the set of Vyrso freebies changes every month, so I'm not sure how accurate that number will be.
All that to say, it's difficult to figure out exact library counts across different apps because the resource count in each app will be affected by that app's freebies.
Thanks Drew. I'm guessing that's how they look to someone without an existing library and loading the apps and free resources, such as the Failthlife library, etc. I'm guessing I own a good chunk of the 77 free-to-access online books already in my licensed library, probably about 65 of them, leaving me 12 more I can try out. Also, I grab a lot of the free Vyrso freebies, and so they are already in my licensed library count, as well. In my experience, the Vyrso app seemed to be missing resources, but yeah, it would be difficult to know for sure without line-by-line accounting for each resource--and I've already removed the app with no plans to bring it back. I guess my curiosity is getting the best of me, though. Decided to install the Noet app to see what changes are. My Logos 5/Windows reports 2525 resources following a few more acquisitions over the past two weeks. I just installed the Noet app while typing this, and though it comes with two versions of the Homer's "Iliad" pre-installed that I do not own, and access-while-connected to such resources as Dante's "Divine Comedy" and Milton's "Paradise Lost", (to spare you a tedious listing, I do have access-while-connected on my Noet app to everything I've spot-checked listed on this page: http://blog.logos.com/2014/01/noet-app/ , or about 18 resources--since at least two titles listed there are comprised of two-volumes). I only seem to already own one of those resources (Confessions), so there should be about 17 additional resources at my disposal through my Noet app.
Oddly, though, the entire library for Noet, while connected, with access to these 17 additional titles, only reports 2522 resources, not 2525+17=2542, as one may suppose, but 2522, or 20 missing titles. We can subtract my three personal books from the list, they do not appear in any app. If so, it means I must trade off one title I do own for every title I do not own but have access to while connected to my account. In fact, after rounding up the usual suspects, my 3 Yancey books, Faithlife Bible, NIV'11 & '84, Thomas Nelson 3 ebible quickstarts--which I don't need, but are there--in fact, I have no idea which 17 resources are missing at the moment, and cannot fathom why it should be necessary for them to drop out of my library, but they evidently have.
A run of my Logos Android App yields a library with 2533 resources, or eight more total than the Logos 5 on my PC (and of course, my 3 personal books do not run on it, nor does my International Standard Version-NT so it really represents about 12 additional resources i have access to while connected--and they all appear to be bibles from the 10 I have been able to identify (HCSB, God's Word, Robinson's Byzantine Greek NT, Scrivener's Greek NT--1894, Elzivir Textus Receptus--1624, Stephen's Greek NT--1550 with Morphology, Reina Valera (Spanish), RH Charles Apocrypha, Cambridge Paragraph Bible of the AV, and King James).0 -
Graham Criddle said:Anthony Grubb said:
[And also, my 1984 NIV also does NOT run in my Biblia.com account, even though I own it. Thanks!
Logos are unable to provide the NIV84 on Biblia.com due to licensing restrictions.
Thanks for the explanation. Now, why did you say "Logos are unable"? Sounds wrong. Logos is a single entity. "Logos is unable," right?
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