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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 10:57 AM

Gabe is there such a list for the Reformed Base Package?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 1:22 PM

abondservant:

Gabe is there such a list for the Reformed Base Package?

From another thread:

  • Matthew Poole’s Commentary on the Holy Bible (3 vols.)
  • Classic Studies on the Scottish Church History (11 vols.)
  • Classic Studies on John Knox (15 vols.)
  • Select Works of Geerhardus Vos (14 vols.)
  • The Works of Charles Hodge (29 vols.)
  • Reformed Dogmatics (5 vols.) by Vos
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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 1:54 PM

Mark, don't we get charged twice if we bought a package that contains a unreleased pre-pub in one package.. and the second package also contain the same unreleased pre-pub?

I don't think they system knows not to charge twice for the pre-pub resources in 2 different packages..

I'm not sure if I can explain myself clearly..

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 2:27 PM

mike:

Mark, don't we get charged twice if we bought a package that contains a unreleased pre-pub in one package.. and the second package also contain the same unreleased pre-pub?

I don't think they system knows not to charge twice for the pre-pub resources in 2 different packages..

I'm not sure if I can explain myself clearly.

You did explain yourself clearly, but I don't think your supposition is correct (though I can't be 100% sure). The reason I think that we don't get charged twice for the same pre-pub is because:

  1. Most of the pre-pubs in these packages are for resources that are ready, even though the prepub hasn't shipped.
  2. Even if they weren't, the pricing system cares only about licences, not shipped copies. So long as the purchase unlocks the licence (which it does), then should be taken into consideration.

So, for me, the unavailable pre-pubs in Lutheran Gold are greyed out, showing my purchase is being taken into consideration:

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 3:34 PM

If you buy them at the same time, you will pay twice. You need to buy one package before the other. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 3:56 PM

Yes fgh that is true even over the phone as my sales person discovered.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 4:02 PM

fgh:

If you buy them at the same time, you will pay twice. You need to buy one package before the other. 

Yes, that's true. But it's true of any resource, not just unpublished resources.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 5:24 PM

say I have purchase the SDA Silver package that's still on pre-pub that contains pre-pubs, THEN I buy Anglican Diamond that has the same pre-pubs from SDA Silver's pre-pubs..., THEN I purchase Lutheran Gold that has the same pre-pubs from SDA Silver & Anglican Diamond ..

I'm worried the system will charge me 3 times and my dynamic won't even work at all...

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 11:12 PM

mike:

say I have purchase the SDA Silver package that's still on pre-pub that contains pre-pubs, THEN I buy Anglican Diamond that has the same pre-pubs from SDA Silver's pre-pubs..., THEN I purchase Lutheran Gold that has the same pre-pubs from SDA Silver & Anglican Diamond ..

I'm worried the system will charge me 3 times and my dynamic won't even work at all...

Cancel SDA Silver prepub. Then buy each of the live packages in separate transactions.  Your dynamic pricing will adjust accordingly for un-purchased packages.  Finally put the SDA silver pre-pub on pre-pub last.  This should ensure you pay the lowest price.

I am working with my rep to add a couple of these packages to my payment plan and he said he will process each separately to my payment plan so I am not charged twice for anything.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 11:31 PM

Disciple of Christ (doc):
Cancel SDA Silver prepub. Then buy each of the live packages in separate transactions.  Your dynamic pricing will adjust accordingly for un-purchased packages.  Finally put the SDA silver pre-pub on pre-pub last.  This should ensure you pay the lowest price.

This.

If you order a pre-pub, it's not going to impact the pricing of anything else (not least because you haven't paid for it). But if you order each product separately, and order the pre-pub last, you'll be OK. Remember that the SDA base package is the only prepub that even offers dynamic pricing.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 11:46 PM

I don't think the system read the pre-pubs dynamically well enough...

I'm not sure about this, but, Anglican Diamond contains some pre-pubs that are also in Lutheran Gold.. and the system doesn't read it well. Why? Because when I purchased Anglican Diamond for $1500, the price of Lutheran Gold only went down $20ish .. (I don't believe it is correct, but I might be wrong)

What's worse, I think it happened with Reformed Platinum too.. (its like a bad chain-effect)

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 29 2014 11:55 PM

mike:
when I purchased Anglican Diamond for $1500, the price of Lutheran Gold only went down $20ish .. (I don't believe it is correct, but I might be wrong)

There's very little overlap between the two, so I wouldn't expect the price to drop hardly at all. Remember you're only paying about $2/volume in base packages,* so by this calculation, you'd expect the overlap for you to be about 10 volumes. Do you think it's more than that? (By overlap for you, I mean the resources in both packages that you didn't previously own.)

* Discounts are calculated by value, not by count, so this is an inaccurate science unless you're prepared to add up the value of every resource.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 30 2014 12:14 AM

are you sure just 10 volumes that overlap between Anglican & Lutheran? I don't know Mark, it seems like it should be more than 10 I think.. but I'm not sure. $20 just doesn't seem right for me.

I think these product managers should've created the "what's new to you" page and all like Logos 5 upgrade page thingy BEFORE they roll out the sale to avoid all these confusions.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 30 2014 12:53 AM

mike:
are you sure just 10 volumes that overlap between Anglican & Lutheran?

No, I'm not saying that. There are dozens and dozens that overlap. But most of the overlapping ones you presumably already owned prior to buying either Anglican or Lutheran (probably because you owned another base package). Lutheran would only reduce in price for volumes that overlapped and you didn't previously own. I've obviously got no way of knowing how many volumes that was for you, though in my case the overlap was precisely zero (I asked my rep for a 'new to me' list for Lutheran Gold and Anglican Diamond, and there was no overlap).

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 30 2014 7:11 AM

mike: Have you considered asking your salesman to check it out? OR customer service?

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 30 2014 5:31 PM

Peace, Gabe!          *smile*                         Well-Done!              You've worked hard!                     And very wonderfully!

              Also, just for the "fun of it" I put one of those numbers into the Logos.com search (find!) box and was so very pleasantly surprised (almost!) that the number took me to the correct resource!

                                             Very clever!     Haven't really noticed that before!              Thanks again!            God Bless You!

Gabe Martini:

Mark Barnes:

Gabe Martini:
We'll be reaching out to people in your situation over the next few weeks to give them a chance to do the same before those other pre-pub and CP items ship individually.

Is there a list handy at the moment?

This should be everything still on Pre-Publication or Community Pricing that is included in the Lutheran Base Packages (at some level). We will be contacting those who bid/pre-ordered any of the following, giving them a chance to upgrade (and likely save) by getting a full Lutheran Base Package instead.

25401     John Laurence von Mosheim Collection (7 vols.)
28573     Milton Valentine Theological Studies Collection (5 vols.)
31627     T&T Clark Lutheran Studies Collection
33782     Elements of Dogmatic History
33786     System of the Christian Certainty
33936     Select Works of George Henry Gerberding (3 vols.)
33984     Church History (3 vols.)
34154     Lutheran Hymns and Prayer Books (4 vols.)
34155     The Lutheran Commentary (12 vols.)
34156     The Groundwork of a System of Evangelical Lutheran Theology
34159     The Lutheran Cyclopedia
34177     Select Works of Franklin Weidner (3 vols.)
34181     Lutheran History Collection (4 vols.)
34184     Select Works of Franz Delitzsch (2 vols.)
35403     Charles Porterfield Krauth Collection (6 vols.)
35479     Hours of Spiritual Refreshment
35483     Gerhard's Sacred Meditations
36278     Select Works of Jaroslav Pelikan (2 vols.)
36286     True Christianity
36287     The Philosophy of History
36290     Select Studies in Martin Luther's Life and Influence, Part 1 (15 vols.)
36291     Select Studies in Martin Luther’s Life and Influence, Part 2 (14 vols.)
36300     Lutheran Confessional Studies Collection (6 vols.)
36301     Select Works of August Hermann Francke (3 vols.)
36303     System of Christian Ethics
36304     The Articles of Faith of the Holy Evangelical Church: Forty Sermons
36305     The Bible and Astronomy: An Exposition of the Biblical Cosmology
36382     Lutheran Comparative Religious Studies (3 vols.)
36424     Lutheran Liturgical Studies Collection (6 vols.)
38269     Select Studies in Martin Luther’s Life and Influence (29 vols.)

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 30 2014 11:04 PM

why isn't Luther Works included in the package? shouldn't this be a MUST?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 30 2014 11:32 PM

mike:
why isn't Luther Works included in the package? shouldn't this be a MUST?

Editted: The combination of posts from a Logos employee and from a Logos user led me to believe that negotiations with Concordia proved to be a problem.

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Alex Bui | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 1 2014 8:12 AM

mike:

why isn't Luther Works included in the package? shouldn't this be a MUST?

I have the same question.  I hope other publishers work with Logos to bring in more Lutheran resources so we will have the Lutheran Platinum Package. 

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 1 2014 8:16 AM

Mark Barnes:

abondservant:

Gabe is there such a list for the Reformed Base Package?

From another thread:

  • Matthew Poole’s Commentary on the Holy Bible (3 vols.)
  • Classic Studies on the Scottish Church History (11 vols.)
  • Classic Studies on John Knox (15 vols.)
  • Select Works of Geerhardus Vos (14 vols.)
  • The Works of Charles Hodge (29 vols.)
  • Reformed Dogmatics (5 vols.) by Vos



Thanks!

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