Göttingen Septuagint (65 Vols.)

Thanks for that suggestion, I had not seen it and what a great Pre-Pub price!

As another recommendation, I am hoping Live of the Saints" by Butler gets approved. This is a Christian Classic, so many detailed stories of wonderful Christians that you can never find anywhere else! Twelve volumes worth too - http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/5203

Another great Pre-Pub is the Collected works of John Henry Newman, the great Anglican and Catholic (depending on the time of his life <g>). This 31 volume work is $1500 on Pre pub for $160! Newman is considered one of the top theologians of the 20th century, one day to be considered in the discussions of those like Anselm, Athanasius, Augustine, Bonaventure, Jerome, John Chrysostom, and more. http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/5182

I love reading about great Christians that preceded us, their lives and works are very inspiring. I am hopeful that others will see it the same way and chip in for these great deals!

James Macleod

Just getting this back on the radar to remind everyone about what a great price this is. It has been sitting at the same place for a bit now. If anyone else is interested please sign up and lets get it going.

Tam Nguyen

Ordered!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/128311#Comment_128311

A blog post on this outstanding resource was posted - it's going to be published anyway!

Now, we’re thrilled to announce that the Göttingen Septuagint is ready to go into development. Even though we don’t have quite enough orders to cover costs, this resource is simply too important for Septuagint scholarship to wait any longer.

http://blog.logos.com/archives/2010/05/why_the_gottingen_septuagint_is_the_most_important_edition_ever_published.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LogosBibleSoftwareBlog+%28Logos+Bible+Software+Blog%29

Amy Leung

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/128348#Comment_128348

It is a pity that the Journal of Biblical Literature is not seen as important enough for the promotion of biblical scholarship to be not waiting any longer. [;)] Not that I say that it is as important as the Göttingen Septuagint. But then maybe if Rosie writes a compelling review on the resource here, that would bring it to life sooner. (Rosie, are you there? [;)])

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/128458#Comment_128458

Estimated Ship Date: 11/8/2010

Alex Scott

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/159904#Comment_159904

That's the 11th of August in Australia I think - 8th of November for the rest of us!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/159936#Comment_159936

Göttingen Septuagint (65 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/4951 is shipping SOON. So, I am asking for advice.

Considering Logos has established a publishing relationship with Cambridge now http://blog.logos.com/archives/2010/08/cambridge_university_press_books_on_pre-pub.html
and we have these two Pre-Pubs I find worthwhile:
Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges (21 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/6768
The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges (57 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/6736

I wonder if the Cambridge Septuagint could possibly make it into Logos. And if it does, would there be benefit to having both the Cambridge Septuagint and the Gottengen Septuagint. And if a bloke only bought one, which should it be?

Some may say only scholars need such an edition. Just humor me this time. (I'm not a pilot either but I like helicopters landing in my back yard.) Would you buy GS?, or CS?, or something else if you wanted to study with the best?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/162949#Comment_162949

I wonder if the Cambridge Septuagint could possibly make it into Logos. And if it does, would there be benefit to having both the Cambridge Septuagint and the Gottengen Septuagint. And if a bloke only bought one, which should it be?

Both are incomplete. If you need the Historical Books go for Cambridge If you need any other book go for Göttingen which has a larger manuscript collection and is also eclectic which is excellent for anyone who is not an expert in the history and character of LXX manuscripts.

BTW Cambridge is out of copyright so there is no need for Logos to contact the publisher.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/162961#Comment_162961

Göttingen which has a larger manuscript collection and is also eclectic which is excellent for anyone who is not an expert

Thank you for pointing this out. I am definitely a novice and in my online investigating I ran across this post that made it sound like the Cambridge edition was the milk-toast version.

Critical Editions of Septuagint/Old Greek Texts http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/ioscs/editions.html

So having both is not ridiculous? Since the Gottingen edition IS coming out soon, it may be a worthwhile purchase. The Cambridge edition can be added later if it becomes available. (So far, we don't have any whisper yet of the Cambridge edition being published in Logos. I am just hoping.)

Now I wish I had locked in that cheap initial Pre-Pub price of $299. That will teach us not to drag our feet.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/162964#Comment_162964

in my online investigating I ran across this post

IOSCS is a great place to start. They seem to underestimate Cambridge. I can't do without it when I work on the Books of Kingdoms for instance. I own a print copy of Cambridge (They still print it!) and enjoy it very much. Fernandez Marcos on the Lucianic recension is another valuable edition of the Historical Books I own.

The Cambridge edition can be added later if it becomes available. (So far, we don't have any whisper yet of the Cambridge edition being published in Logos. I am just hoping.)

Cambridge for the Historical Books together with Fernandez Marcos for the Lucianic recension would make the Logos LXX collection complete. Marcos was created on a computer so it should not be that difficult for Logos to convert it. Cambridge on the other hand....

Now I wish I had locked in that cheap initial Pre-Pub price of $299. That will teach us not to drag our feet.

The day Logos offered Göttingen was the opening of a new era in LXX scholarship. I can still remember the excitement and the e-mail I sent Prof. Emanuel Tov notifying him of this development. The price was and still is a bargain. Since then Accordance have started their own project but it will take them years to finish and it is not morphologically tagged. If the variants in the Logos edition are also tagged and searchable so that a "concordance" can be created, it could mean a turning point in the scholarly bible software market: Every scholar would have to own a copy of Logos. This is in fact how I started to consider Logos as an option. I think people don't understand what an important leap forward this is: THERE IS NO PRINT CONCORDANCE OF A CRITICAL EDITION OF THE LXX.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/163082#Comment_163082

If the variants in the Logos edition are also tagged and searchable so that a "concordance" can be created, it could mean a turning point in the scholarly bible software market: Every scholar would have to own a copy of Logos. This is in fact how I started to consider Logos as an option. I think people don't understand what an important leap forward this is: THERE IS NO PRINT CONCORDANCE OF A CRITICAL EDITION OF THE LXX.

WoW. This could be an incredible development.

As Mark A. Smith said in another thread: "We live in the best of times!" http://community.logos.com/forums/t/21692.aspx

I guess I will have to start eating Dandelion salad and nail soup to add that to my Pre-Pub orders,

+ =

It seems to be worth the sacrifice!

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/163239#Comment_163239

Dandelion Salad

By: ERLENSEE_GERMANY

"This is a very good use of all those annoying dandelions growing in your yard. Just so long as you don't have a dog! Top with your favorite dressing. I prefer hot bacon dressing!"

Ingredients

1/2 pound torn dandelion greens
1/2 red onion, chopped
2 tomatoes, chopped
1/2 teaspoon dried basil
salt and pepper to taste

Directions

In a medium bowl, toss together dandelion greens, red onion, and tomatoes. Season with basil, salt, and pepper.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/163239#Comment_163239

I guess I will have to start eating Dandelion salad and nail soup to add that to my Pre-Pub orders,

+ =

It seems to be worth the sacrifice!

Nail Soup

also http://hem.fyristorg.com/kulturkemi/net/soup.htm

Jonathan Vliet

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/163501#Comment_163501

I'm sure this will be a ridiculous question to many in the forum, but I'm a young student of the Bible, teaching myself everything as I go, and I'm interested in adding a Septuagint to my Logos library but can someone explain to me the difference between these two Septuagint options?

1. http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/LLXXI

- or -

2. http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/4951

Thank you

Kevin Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/180970#Comment_180970

Jonathan, it's not a ridiculous question.

Basically, the Lexham interlinear has the standard LXX text with an English Interlinear glosses.

However, the LXX, as with all hand copied texts, has variations and different textual traditions. The Gottingen Septuagint is dedicated to documenting all the textual evidence about the LXX. If you are interested in textual criticism of the LXX then the Gottingen text is essential, if not the Lexham resource would be satisfactory.

Jonathan Vliet

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/180974#Comment_180974

Thank you Kevin,

May I ask if the original Septuagint
manuscripts are at all comparable to the NT Greek manuscripts (I.E, from
my understanding, they can be categorized in 3 basic ways: 1) the
Textus Receptus, 2) The "Alexandrian" manuscripts, and 3) the Latin
Vulgate)? Excluding the Vulgate, I'm wondering if the the Manuscripts
of the Septuagint are comparable to the Textus Receptus (A traditional
stream, more highly populated) and the Alexandrian texts (a more
recently discovered stream, believed to be older).

I'm not sure
if this is a hot-button topic, considered taboo to admit amongst the
forum or not, but I will be perfectly honest - from my study thus far, I
am convicted of purity of the Textus Receptus stream (which, as I
understand, is perhaps not the mainstream view). So, the reason I risk
admitting that is to ask if the Septuagint is equivalent in those two categories (a traditional stream and a more recently discovered yet "older" stream), and if so, which category would I get by simply going with the Lexham. (And is that same Lexham something I would get by simply upgrading from the Leader's edition to the Scholar's edition?)

Thank you again Kevin (or anyone else who would like to comment). It's much appreciated,

God bless

Kevin Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181558#Comment_181558

I am not LXX scholar so I can only tell you that I haven't heard that the Septuagint has a similar textual background to the New Testament. I have never seen competing editions of the LXX like I have of the NT.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181558#Comment_181558

May I ask if the original Septuagint manuscripts are at all comparable to the NT Greek manuscripts (I.E, from my understanding, they can be categorized in 3 basic ways: 1) the Textus Receptus, 2) The "Alexandrian" manuscripts, and 3) the Latin Vulgate)? Excluding the Vulgate, I'm wondering if the the Manuscripts of the Septuagint are comparable to the Textus Receptus (A traditional stream, more highly populated) and the Alexandrian texts (a more recently discovered stream, believed to be older).

There are certainly groups of manuscripts which display a similar text type. According to Jerome there were three different texts of the LXX around the world: One prominent in Egypt which was attributed to Hesychius, one prominent in Antioch which was attributed to Lucian, and the Hexaplaric text which is attributed to Origen. The hexaplaric revision is the most extensive and it contaminated most of the later manuscripts. The Antiochian was identified for several books. In the historical books it is most conspicious in the group of manuscripts (boc2e2+r). The textus receptus of the Septuagint does not reflect the Old Greek text if only for the large hexaplaric revision towards the masoretic text. It is the aim of the Göttingen project to reconstruct the OG. Whether that is a goal that can be achieved is a different question. The text used in Lexham septuagint or Logos septuagint is Rahlf's it is an eclectic edition that does not reflect the textus receptus (The Sixtine Edition) but a partial attempt to reconstruct the OG based mainly on the Uncials.

Natalio Fernandez Marcos' "The Septuagint in Context" now included in "The Brill Septuagint Collection" of Logos gives a very thorough discussion of this as does Jellicoe's magnificent book: "The Septuagint and Modern Study" (OUP, 1968)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181574#Comment_181574

Natalio Fernandez Marcos' "The Septuagint in Context" now included in "The Brill Septuagint Collection" of Logos gives a very thorough discussion of this as does Jellicoe's magnificent book: "The Septuagint and Modern Study" (OUP, 1968)

That is nice to know. I was happy to see the Brill collections hit the Pre-Pub page. I know Brill publishes fine academic titles but even at the discounted Pre-Pub prices, they are expensive. It is knowing information like this that helps me justify the expense. Here are the Brill collections upcoming in Logos:

Brill Septuagint Studies Collection (2 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/6626
Brill Philo Studies Collection (2 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/7081
Brill Josephus and History Collection (2 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/6833
Brill Josephus and the Bible Collection (4 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/6878
Brill Syriac and Scripture Collection (2 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/7246

This really renews my excitement over the Göttingen Septuagint (65 Vols.) I thought I was going to miss out completely but Dan made it possible. I find the Septuagint fascinating but I am quite a novice. It is good of you to share with us David. Now I have to save for the Brill collection too.[O]

Ron

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/180974#Comment_180974

The Gottingen Septuagint is dedicated to documenting all the textual evidence about the LXX. If you are interested in textual criticism of the LXX then the Gottingen text is essential, if not the Lexham resource would be satisfactory.

Kevin,

From what you stated here, would I be correct in assuming that as a layperson who is interested in LXX study but has NO language training of any kind and has little/no desire to get heavily into the textual criticism of LXX manuscripts that I would not benefit much from Gottingen? I'd be better served by the Lexham resource? If that's true, then I can knock one item off my wishlist (that's something that is nice to be able to do from time to time [:)] )

Is the Lexham resource available as a part of some of the higher base packages?

Kevin Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181750#Comment_181750

The Gottingen Septuagint is dedicated to documenting all the textual evidence about the LXX. If you are interested in textual criticism of the LXX then the Gottingen text is essential, if not the Lexham resource would be satisfactory.

Kevin,

From what you stated here, would I be correct in assuming that as a layperson who is interested in LXX study but has NO language training of any kind and has little/no desire to get heavily into the textual criticism of LXX manuscripts that I would not benefit much from Gottingen? I'd be better served by the Lexham resource? If that's true, then I can knock one item off my wishlist (that's something that is nice to be able to do from time to time )

Is the Lexham resource available as a part of some of the higher base packages?

You interpret my statement correctly. I have a seminary education and while I would love to Gottingen I don't think that I will be doing enough text-critical work in the LXX to justify buying it. It seems unlikely to me that a layperson would derive much benefit from this resource.

However, if you ever read a commentary that references a LXX version different from the one presented in the Lexham resource you wouldn't be able to double check it.

I have the Lexham resource in question and I have Platinum... I don't remember what level a Greek version of the LXX enters the base packages.

nicky crane

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181761#Comment_181761

don't remember what level a Greek version of the LXX enters the base packages.

Scholar's. Sales rep very kindly gave me a discount on the full price of the LXX when I upgraded![:D]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181761#Comment_181761

I have a seminary education and while I would love to Gottingen I don't think that I will be doing enough text-critical work in the LXX to justify buying it. It seems unlikely to me that a layperson would derive much benefit from this resource.

Kevin, (work with me here [;)] my wife sometimes reads these forums.)

If a lay-person had the time & interest to study and were able to purchase both the Lexham & Gottingen resources, would it still be a bad idea?

Some people pursue a study for their interest alone and not to enhance their employment skills or teaching duties. I think study can be as interesting a hobby as golf, woodworking or travel.

Alain Maashe

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181804#Comment_181804

For 99% of logos users, the Göttingen Septuagint (LXX) is overkill and will be collecting digital dust. I am seminary trained and going for a terminal degree in Biblical studies. While I am in no way a LXX specialist, I refer to the LXX quite a bit when I deal with the use of the Old Testament in the New (the LXX is often used when NT writers quote the OT). However, I rarely find the need to deal with textual issues with the depth afforded by the Göttingen Septuagint. Purchasing this resource is for those who want to become LXX specialists and want to do academic research. Casual users will have little to gain. It is not enough to have a tool such as the Göttingen Septuagint, the person needs to know how to use it in order to make sense of the variants and have an informed decision about which one is to be preferred, how it is to be translated, and so on. For 99.999% of humans, these skills cannot be acquired on your own, you need formal training to get the necessary command of LXX Greek, textual criticism and so on. Let us not forget to a command of biblical Hebrew and the Dead Sea Scrolls might also be required to properly leverage this tool. If I only use a resource once in a while, then it is better for me to use it at a seminary library. I recommend first reading a book like Invitation to the Septuagint by Jobes and Silva before deciding to purchase of the Göttingen Septuagint.

Alain

Vincent Setterholm

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181813#Comment_181813

I have a hard time imagining the reader who can make good use of Rahlfs but is incapable of making good use of Göttingen. Both require knowledge of Greek to read with ease, both have critical apparatuses that discuss variants. Göttingen include more texts that aren't found in other editions (such as the Alpha-/L-Text of Esther) so even if you aren't worried about apparatuses, but you want access to the texts that commentaries deal with, Göttingen is worth considering.

The Göttingen text is the next generation Septuagint. If you look at new scholarship on the Septuagint (including the NETS translation), work generally follows Göttingen where it is available, and then Rahlfs for those books where Göttingen is incomplete. So I don't really understand the notion that Göttingen is only for advanced text critical work. That's sort of like saying that the NA27 (or the forthcoming NA28) is only for advanced text critical work, and for lay people, Stephanus or Erasmus or Westcott & Hort are good enough. All of those are usable Greek New Testaments, but surely there are many people who benefit from the text critical work that went into producing the NA27 without being text critics themselves.

If you want to read the LXX today, Rahlfs is still a solid choice, since it is complete. But Göttingen is the direction things are heading.

Mike S.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181750#Comment_181750

From what you stated here, would I be correct in assuming that as a layperson who is interested in LXX study but has NO language training of any kind and has little/no desire to get heavily into the textual criticism of LXX manuscripts that I would not benefit much from Gottingen?

I would say that someone like yourself would be better off with the NETS translation of the LXX (Not currently available in Logos, I have it in another program and you can get the PDFs of individual books for free online). There's no interlinear for Gottingen... you'd just get frustrated that you spent hundreds of dollars on something you can't read. If you want interlinear stick with the Lexham LXX Interlinear!

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181804#Comment_181804

If a lay-person had the time & interest to study and were able to purchase both the Lexham & Gottingen resources, would it still be a bad idea?

No, it wouldn't be a bad idea. Time and interest should be the primary consideration. The world's expert on the use of mushrooms in "tribal" religions was a New York banker whose interest in mushrooms grew out of a comparison of his Russian wife's fondness for mushrooms vs. the American fear of mushroom. It earned him an adjunct title at Harvard, a book, and the undying love of Vedic scholars for his identification of soma (the equivalent of the Greek gods' ambrosia). If you love it, go for it.

Ron

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181761#Comment_181761

You interpret my statement correctly. I have a seminary education and while I would love to Gottingen I don't think that I will be doing enough text-critical work in the LXX to justify buying it. It seems unlikely to me that a layperson would derive much benefit from this resource.

However, if you ever read a commentary that references a LXX version different from the one presented in the Lexham resource you wouldn't be able to double check it.

I have the Lexham resource in question and I have Platinum... I don't remember what level a Greek version of the LXX enters the base packages.

Thanks Kevin (and everybody else) for the info. I had this on my wishlist, but I will be removing it as it sounds like it would indeed be collecting "digital dust" in my case. It sounds like the Lexham interlinear will serve my personal study needs just fine and I'm sure I will pick it up when I upgrade to Platinum soon. Hmmm...now I need to figure out what to fill the $299 "gap" in my wishlist with [:D]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181813#Comment_181813

However, I rarely find the need to deal with textual issues with the depth afforded by the Göttingen Septuagint.

True. I can see your point. but that goes only for the apparati. The main text of Göttingen is different from Rahlfs especially in books like Daniel where papyri revealed parts of the Old Greek. Of course if someone does not read Greek he shouldn't buy a Greek resource.

you need formal training to get the necessary command of LXX Greek, textual criticism and so on.

I am not sure textual criticism is the result of formal training (and I was extensively trained) you could use Tov's TCHB and TCU which are great manuals. You do need to acquire experience though. As for self study of Ancient Greek I share your skepticism.

Let us not forget to a command of biblical Hebrew and the Dead Sea Scrolls might also be required to properly leverage this tool.

I totally disagree! The Septuagint is not merely a tool. We should separate the text critical use of the Septuagint in biblical research as an aid to reconstruct the putative original text of the OT from its use in the NT, and from its internal value as a text that was created (probably) in Alexandria and used by both Christians and Jews for centuries.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181871#Comment_181871

I apologize if this is a dumb question, but I have checked everywhere and can't find a sample of this work - does the Gottingen Septuagint include an English transation in the resources?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181925#Comment_181925

Does the Gottingen Septuagint include an English transation in the resources?

If you mean an English translation of the Septuagint, it does not. If you mean a translation of the introductions (that are in German but are mostly lists of phenomena and Greek quotations) as far as I know it was considered and Logos decided against translating them.

Juanita

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181857#Comment_181857

Time and interest should be the primary consideration.

Actually, expense is a primary consideration, at least for me, with every purchase I make. I think this resource costs a lot more than mushrooms. [;)]

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181925#Comment_181925

Dominick ... maybe I'm misunderstanding ... on the prepub page, with each volume are a series of 7 samples for each book. When I first saw that (I'm not 'fluent' in greek), I thought ugh-oh, since as noted above, it's all 'greek'! But actually, it's not a lot different than the NT majority text with its apparatus ... the most important part are whether there's variations and what the pattern is.

This last Sunday we were studying Exodus 25, specifically verse 8. In the MT, the verb is 'dwell' and the pastor had a great sermon on God dwelling with connects to the NT as well. But the LXX has 'appear', and so I wanted to know which way the Samaritan and Dead Seas scrolls went (Samaritan a pre-pub dream and DSS 'on contract'), plus whether there was any variation in the LXX usage. So, 'all greek' may be a bit troublesome, but at the pre-pub price, it's my only choice.

As regards the specific passage, I suspect it's one of the LXX's tendencies to increase the distance between God and man (but don't know that).

James Macleod

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181830#Comment_181830

The Göttingen text is the next generation Septuagint. If you look at new scholarship on the Septuagint (including the NETS translation), work generally follows Göttingen where it is available, and then Rahlfs for those books where Göttingen is incomplete. So I don't really understand the notion that Göttingen is only for advanced text critical work.

But Göttingen is the direction things are heading.

I would agree with you and disagree with the idea that you need to be "seminary trained" or have "formal training" in order to make use of The Göttingen Septuagint or understand LXX textual issues. It smacks of elitism. I am self-taught in Greek and have no problems reading either the Greek NT or the LXX. I also have no problem understanding textual issues.

nicky crane

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182035#Comment_182035

I studied Greek at school from the age of 13, and then at University, and read the NT only in Greek. I bought a LXX because the commentaries so often quoted from it in reference to the NT books. And I use it in Bible study. I'm not trained in textual criticism, tho I got a couple of books about it. No way do I need the massive Goettingen LXX. For me that would be overkill. I also decide not to buy some commentaries as being more detailed than I need.

As I know Hebrew, I do my detailed OT study using the Hebrew OT, eked out by English crib where necessary (often). Maybe a Greek LXX would be more useful for someone who has more Greek than Hebrew. I would still think Goettingen would be more useful for academics specialising in that area.

Incidentally I'm sure you can teach yourself Biblical Greek and Hebrew, particularly with the resources Logos offers. Tho I admit I have not checked these out. I've now reached the stage where I learn more Greek and Hebrew by using them, helped out by Logos lexicons, Steve Runge, etc.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181975#Comment_181975

Dominick ... maybe I'm misunderstanding ... on the prepub page, with each volume are a series of 7 samples for each book. When I first saw that (I'm not 'fluent' in greek), I thought ugh-oh, since as noted above, it's all 'greek'! But actually, it's not a lot different than the NT majority text with its apparatus ... the most important part are whether there's variations and what the pattern is.

This last Sunday we were studying Exodus 25, specifically verse 8. In the MT, the verb is 'dwell' and the pastor had a great sermon on God dwelling with connects to the NT as well. But the LXX has 'appear', and so I wanted to know which way the Samaritan and Dead Seas scrolls went (Samaritan a pre-pub dream and DSS 'on contract'), plus whether there was any variation in the LXX usage. So, 'all greek' may be a bit troublesome, but at the pre-pub price, it's my only choice.

As regards the specific passage, I suspect it's one of the LXX's tendencies to increase the distance between God and man (but don't know that).

Thanks Denise for pointing out the sample pages, I can't believe I missed that!

OK it's all Greek! So here is my follow up question. Since I am not fluent in Greek, I use things like the interlinears in Bibles, etc., to check on a word, flip over to BWS, etc. How would I use this resource, would I have it open and linked to an English translation of the Bible say, and then does it take the place of having an interlinear? Does it make study using a particular Bible better somehow?

Sorry if these questions are redundant, I thought I knew what was going on, now I know I don't know anything :-)

Jonathan Vliet

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/181574#Comment_181574

Thank you David,

Very insightful. So was there a version of the Septuagint circulated amongst common Jews in Christ's time? If so, is there any indication of what they used?