Thanks for that suggestion, I had not seen it and what a great Pre-Pub price! 

As another recommendation, I am hoping Live of the Saints" by Butler gets approved.  This is a Christian Classic, so many detailed stories of wonderful Christians that you can never find anywhere else! Twelve volumes worth too - http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/5203

Another great Pre-Pub is the Collected works of John Henry Newman, the great Anglican and Catholic (depending on the time of his life <g>).  This 31 volume work is $1500 on Pre pub for $160!  Newman is considered one of the top theologians of the 20th century, one day to be considered in the discussions of those like Anselm, Athanasius, Augustine, Bonaventure, Jerome, John Chrysostom, and more. http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/5182

I love reading about great Christians that preceded us, their lives and works are very inspiring. I am hopeful that others will see it the same way and chip in for these great deals!

Ordered!

It is a pity that the Journal of Biblical Literature is not seen as important enough for the promotion of biblical scholarship to be not waiting any longer. [;)]   Not that I say that it is as important as the Göttingen Septuagint.  But then maybe if Rosie writes a compelling review on the resource here, that would bring it to life sooner.  (Rosie, are you there?  [;)])

That's the 11th of August in Australia I think - 8th of November for the rest of us!

Matthew C Jones said:

I wonder if the Cambridge Septuagint could possibly make it into Logos. And if it does, would there be benefit to having both the Cambridge Septuagint and the Gottengen Septuagint. And if a bloke only bought one, which should it be?

Both are incomplete. If you need the Historical Books go for Cambridge If you need any other book go for Göttingen which has a larger manuscript collection and is also eclectic which is excellent for anyone who is not an expert in the history and character of LXX manuscripts.

BTW Cambridge is out of copyright so there is no need for Logos to contact the publisher.

Matthew C Jones said:

in my online investigating I ran across this post

IOSCS is a great place to start. They seem to underestimate Cambridge. I can't do without it when I work on the Books of Kingdoms for instance. I own a print copy of Cambridge (They still print it!) and enjoy it very much. Fernandez Marcos on the Lucianic recension is another valuable edition of the Historical Books I own.

Matthew C Jones said:

The Cambridge edition can be added later if it becomes available. (So far, we don't have any whisper yet of the Cambridge edition being published in Logos. I am just hoping.)

Cambridge for the Historical Books together with Fernandez Marcos for the Lucianic recension would make the Logos LXX collection complete. Marcos was created on a computer so it should not be that difficult for Logos to convert it. Cambridge on the other hand....

Matthew C Jones said:

Now I wish I had locked in that cheap initial Pre-Pub price of $299. That will teach us not to drag our feet.

The day Logos offered Göttingen was the opening of a new era in LXX scholarship. I can still remember the excitement and the e-mail I sent Prof. Emanuel Tov notifying him of this development. The price was and still is a bargain. Since then Accordance have started their own project but it will take them years to finish and it is not morphologically tagged. If the variants in the Logos edition are also tagged and searchable so that a "concordance" can be created, it could mean a turning point in the scholarly bible software market: Every scholar would have to own a copy of Logos. This is in fact how I started to consider Logos as an option. I think people don't understand what an important leap forward this is: THERE IS NO PRINT CONCORDANCE OF A CRITICAL EDITION OF THE LXX.   

I'm sure this will be a ridiculous question to many in the forum, but I'm a young student of the Bible, teaching myself everything as I go, and I'm interested in adding a Septuagint to my Logos library but can someone explain to me the difference between these two Septuagint options?

1. http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/LLXXI

 - or -

2. http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/4951

Thank you

Thank you Kevin,

May I ask if the original Septuagint
manuscripts are at all comparable to the NT Greek manuscripts (I.E, from
my understanding, they can be categorized in 3 basic ways: 1)  the
Textus Receptus, 2) The "Alexandrian" manuscripts, and 3) the Latin
Vulgate)?  Excluding the Vulgate, I'm wondering if the the Manuscripts
of the Septuagint are comparable to the Textus Receptus (A traditional
stream, more highly populated) and the Alexandrian texts (a more
recently discovered stream, believed to be older). 

I'm not sure
if this is a hot-button topic, considered taboo to admit amongst the
forum or not, but I will be perfectly honest - from my study thus far, I
am convicted of purity of the Textus Receptus stream (which, as I
understand, is perhaps not the mainstream view).  So, the reason I risk
admitting that is to ask if the Septuagint is equivalent in those two categories (a traditional stream and a more recently discovered yet "older" stream), and if so, which category would I get by simply going with the Lexham.  (And is that same Lexham something I would get by simply upgrading from the Leader's edition to the Scholar's edition?) 

Thank you again Kevin (or anyone else who would like to comment).  It's much appreciated,

God bless

Jonathan Vliet said:

May I ask if the original Septuagint manuscripts are at all comparable to the NT Greek manuscripts (I.E, from my understanding, they can be categorized in 3 basic ways: 1)  the Textus Receptus, 2) The "Alexandrian" manuscripts, and 3) the Latin Vulgate)?  Excluding the Vulgate, I'm wondering if the the Manuscripts of the Septuagint are comparable to the Textus Receptus (A traditional stream, more highly populated) and the Alexandrian texts (a more recently discovered stream, believed to be older). 

There are certainly groups of manuscripts which display a similar text type. According to Jerome there were three different texts of the LXX around the world: One prominent in Egypt which was attributed to Hesychius, one prominent in Antioch which was attributed to Lucian, and the Hexaplaric text which is attributed to Origen. The hexaplaric revision is the most extensive and it contaminated most of the later manuscripts. The Antiochian was identified for several books. In the historical books it is most conspicious in the group of manuscripts (boc2e2+r). The textus receptus of the Septuagint does not reflect the Old Greek text if only for the large hexaplaric revision towards the masoretic text. It is the aim of the Göttingen project to reconstruct the OG. Whether that is a goal that can be achieved is a different question. The text used in Lexham septuagint or Logos septuagint is Rahlf's it is an eclectic edition that does not reflect the textus receptus (The Sixtine Edition) but a partial attempt to reconstruct the OG based mainly on the Uncials.

Natalio Fernandez Marcos' "The Septuagint in Context" now included in "The Brill Septuagint Collection" of Logos gives a very thorough discussion of this as does Jellicoe's magnificent book: "The Septuagint and Modern Study" (OUP, 1968)    

Kevin Becker said:

The Gottingen Septuagint is dedicated to documenting all the textual evidence about the LXX. If you are interested in textual criticism of the LXX then the Gottingen text is essential, if not the Lexham resource would be satisfactory.

Kevin,

From what you stated here, would I be correct in assuming that as a layperson who is interested in LXX study but has NO language training of any kind and has little/no desire to get heavily into the textual criticism of LXX manuscripts that I would not benefit much from Gottingen?  I'd be better served by the Lexham resource?  If that's true, then I can knock one item off my wishlist (that's something that is nice to be able to do from time to time [:)] )

Is the Lexham resource available as a part of some of the higher base packages?

Kevin Becker said:

don't remember what level a Greek version of the LXX enters the base packages.

Scholar's.  Sales rep very kindly gave me a discount on the full price of the LXX when I upgraded![:D]

For 99% of logos users, the Göttingen Septuagint (LXX) is overkill and will be collecting digital dust. I am seminary trained and going for a terminal degree in Biblical studies. While I am in no way a LXX specialist, I refer to the LXX quite a bit when I deal with the use of the Old Testament in the New (the LXX is often used when NT writers quote the OT). However, I rarely find the need to deal with textual issues with the depth afforded by the Göttingen Septuagint. Purchasing this resource is for those who want to become LXX specialists and want to do academic research. Casual users will have little to gain. It is not enough to have a tool such as the Göttingen Septuagint, the person needs to know how to use it in order to make sense of the variants and have an informed decision about which one is to be preferred, how it is to be translated, and so on. For 99.999% of humans, these skills cannot be acquired on your own, you need formal training to get the necessary command of LXX Greek, textual criticism and so on.  Let us not forget to a command of biblical Hebrew and the Dead Sea Scrolls might also be required to properly leverage this tool. If I only use a resource once in a while, then it is better for me to use it at a seminary library. I recommend first reading a book like Invitation to the Septuagint by Jobes and Silva before deciding to  purchase of the Göttingen Septuagint.

Alain

Ron Keyston Jr said:

From what you stated here, would I be correct in assuming that as a layperson who is interested in LXX study but has NO language training of any kind and has little/no desire to get heavily into the textual criticism of LXX manuscripts that I would not benefit much from Gottingen?  

I would say that someone like yourself would be better off with the NETS translation of the LXX (Not currently available in Logos, I have it in another program and you can get the PDFs of individual books for free online). There's no interlinear for Gottingen... you'd just get frustrated that you spent hundreds of dollars on something you can't read. If you want interlinear stick with the Lexham LXX Interlinear!

Kevin Becker said:

You interpret my statement correctly. I have a seminary education and while I would love to Gottingen I don't think that I will be doing enough text-critical work in the LXX to justify buying it. It seems unlikely to me that a layperson would derive much benefit from this resource.

However, if you ever read a commentary that references a LXX version different from the one presented in the Lexham resource you wouldn't be able to double check it.

I have the Lexham resource in question and I have Platinum... I don't remember what level a Greek version of the LXX enters the base packages.

Thanks Kevin (and everybody else) for the info.  I had this on my wishlist, but I will be removing it as it sounds like it would indeed be collecting "digital dust" in my case.  It sounds like the Lexham interlinear will serve my personal study needs just fine and I'm sure I will pick it up when I upgrade to Platinum soon.  Hmmm...now I need to figure out what to fill the $299 "gap" in my wishlist with [:D]