LOUW NIDA VS BIBLE SENSE LEXICON

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Rev Uche Nwoye | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 8:04 AM

Please what is BDAG and how is it used?

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Rev Uche Nwoye | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 8:09 AM

George Somsel:

Rev Uche Nwoye:

I use Bible Sense Lexicon which I love so much. Do I still need Louw Nida? Any difference between the two?

Uche

What you really need is BDAG.

Arndt, William, Frederick W. Danker, and Walter Bauer. A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2000.

Please what is BDAG and how is it used?

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 8:19 AM

Rev Uche Nwoye:

Please what is BDAG and how is it used?

BDAG is THE go-to lexicon for the study of koine Greek texts such as the NT or early church fathers (also helpful with the LXX).  See my previous posting to which you replied where I gave the bibliographic information.  While LN can be helpful and is recommended, if you're serious you want BDAG.  With LN what you get is a gloss for a word IN A PARTICULAR CONTEXT.  With BDAG you get the range of glosses, definitions, for a word in its many uses.  LN interprets the data for you and gives you a result while BDAG makes you do a little work for yourself in determining how a word is used (though it gives abundant help in this determination).  LN is a little better than reading a translation as opposed to reading the original text.  Where LN is really helpful is in exploring the semantic domains in order to determine what other word might have been used in the context and what the author's choice says about his intention.

EDIT:  I forgot to mention how BDAG is used.  You click on a word you wish to study or type it into the find box of the lexicon which will bring up the entry for that word.  You then read through the entry noting the context of the various meanings to find one that is close to what you have in your text.  Sometimes the words surrounding your word will give you a clue.  Sometimes it's the structure of the sentence that is telling.  You will learn a lot more in this way and may find that you don't necessarily agree with the standard interpretation (but don't count too much on that since many very knowledgeable scholars have studied these texts for many years).

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John Fallahee | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 30 2014 5:37 AM

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for coming to the Louw-Nida free, live webinar last week. Here is the promised notification for the release of the video.

The 1 Hour and 32 minute recording is now available for download and purchase. You will be pleasantly surprised on what you can do with Logos, Louw-Nida, and Visual Filters. There is also a free 20 minute sneak preview at the link below as well.

http://www.LearnLogos.com/louwnida 

Blessings,

John Fallahee, CEO
LearnLogos.com

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 30 2014 8:53 AM

George Somsel:
EDIT:  I forgot to mention how BDAG is used.  You click on a word you wish to study or type it into the find box of the lexicon which will bring up the entry for that word.  You then read through the entry noting the context of the various meanings to find one that is close to what you have in your text.  Sometimes the words surrounding your word will give you a clue.  Sometimes it's the structure of the sentence that is telling.  You will learn a lot more in this way and may find that you don't necessarily agree with the standard interpretation (but don't count too much on that since many very knowledgeable scholars have studied these texts for many years).

Glossed over for proficient BDAG use is memorization of many abbreviations along with paying attention to ; delimiter.

Personally dreaming of a digitally formatted BDAG => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/32633/243659.aspx#243659 that can be searched using words.  BDAG can be searched for abbreviation:

Noted BDAG abbreviation meaning can depend on context: e.g. "art." can refer to grammatical usage or a publication.  BDAG abundantly used abbreviations, which substantially reduced printing costs.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 30 2014 10:45 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus:

Glossed over for proficient BDAG use is memorization of many abbreviations along with paying attention to ; delimiter.

Personally dreaming of a digitally formatted BDAG => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/32633/243659.aspx#243659 that can be searched using words.  BDAG can be searched for abbreviation:

Memorization of abbreviations is unnecessary.  We DO IN FACT have a digitally formatted BDAG.  All that is necessary is to mouse-over the abbreviations to discover the full form.  Also, the authors cited are linked to the list in which they appear so that it is possible to use <ctrl-f> to move to the precise entry.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 30 2014 12:51 PM

George Somsel:
We DO IN FACT have a digitally formatted BDAG.  All that is necessary is to mouse-over the abbreviations to discover the full form.

BDAG tagging for mouse over to show abbreviation or cited source is incomplete (add yellow highlighting to illustrate):

While can use <ctrl+f> to find PKatz in many entries, have not found PKatz in one of the eight BDAG abbreviation lists.  "Peripl. Eryth." has abbreviation list entry "Peripl(us Maris) Eryth(raei) ," with parenthesis to show what the periods leave out.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 30 2014 1:09 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus:
While can use <ctrl+f> to find PKatz in many entries, have not found PKatz in one of the eight BDAG abbreviation lists.  "Peripl. Eryth." has abbreviation list entry "Peripl(us Maris) Eryth(raei) ," with parenthesis to show what the periods leave out.

While PKatz is not found in one of the abbreviation lists, "PKatz, Philo’s Bible ’50, 152f" does indicate the work cited which should be sufficient.  It certainly is more than is found elsewhere.  It is easily located in WorldCat.org.

Philo's Bible; the aberrant text of Bible quotations in some Philonic writings and its place in the textual history of the Greek Bible.     

by Peter Katz   Book View all formats and languages »                 Language: English   Publisher: Cambridge, University Press, 1950. Database: WorldCat

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 30 2014 1:31 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Personally dreaming of a digitally formatted BDAG => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/32633/243659.aspx#243659 that can be searched using words.

Alternative search dream is fuzzy inteliigence that could find abbreviated forms when searching for words:

see => s.

with => w.

lemma in BDAG entry that becomes first letter with period.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 30 2014 2:02 PM

Schumitinu:

I have added two more visual filters with their corresponding highlighting palettes that feature Louw-Nida Domains to the Visual Filters Faithlife group. One includes Discourse Markers and Comparisons, the other Time and Location references. Here is how you can use them:

  

If you do Inducting Bible Study:

  • Turning on the Relations filter helps you find conclusions and contrast as well as other text connectors that show how the authors thought or argument progresses and develops.
  • Turning on the Time and Location filter helps you find expressions of time and geographical locations
  • Turning on the Discourse Markers and Comparison filter helps you find different kinds of comparisons in the text as well as other features that the author wanted us to especially notice

If you do Discourse Analysis:

  • The Relations give us an idea of the propositional relations, how the discourse is developed
  • Time and Location usually mark progress of the discourse. Change of time or location signal a new thought unit, a new paragraph
  • Discourse Markers and Comparison all have to do with things the author has put into focus

Once you have downloaded the filters you can modify them to suit your mark-up stile. For example if you do inductive bible study and you have already a highlighting style for time, location etc. you can simple select your highlighting style in the filter instead of mine.

Thanks, downloaded highlighting palettes and filters, renamed them (changed "and" to &), modified them (removed ALL CAPS, changed to Mixed Case,  reduced size to 60 %, plus consolidated Duration of Time with Reference ranges 67.118-135/136-141 into 67.118-141), followed by publishing them to Logos Visual Filters:

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Debbie Eckmier | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 28 2017 8:12 AM

I'd like to look at this file but it opens to a 404 page

I must admit that all of this STUFF about marking is SO confusing... I'm having a real hard time following all this talk. Most people assume that people know how to use Logos really well and are seminary trained. I have had Logos since version 2 and I'm pretty familiar and comfortable using it in my own way but I'm still having trouble when people say go to this link (that doesn't show up) and do thus and so and I can't figure it all out.

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John Fallahee | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 28 2017 8:56 AM

Hi Debbie,

I am not sure which link is not work for you.

However, if you are looking to learn more on how to use Louw-Nida, then I recommend my Louw-Nida training Webinar: www.LearnLogos.com/louwnida

There is a short preview as well.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 28 2017 5:12 PM

Debbie Eckmier:
I'd like to look at this file but it opens to a 404 page

Faithlife group "Louw Nida Visual Filters" no longer exists so 404 error.

Faithlife Group "Logos Visual Filters" has Louw-Nida highlighting palettes and visual filters => https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/documents (need to join or follow group to see documents)

On web site, can click Actions to Copy. When your installation(s) syncs online, the copied document(s) are downloaded for your use.

Note: after copying Highlighting Palettes, they appear in Tools: Highlighting while Visual Filters appear in Documents. For same name documents, recommend copying one followed by renaming in your installation so can copy another one. Sometimes same name has same content.

Thankful Highlighting Palettes and Visual Filters can be freely copied, modified in your installation(s), and optionally published for others.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 28 2017 5:18 PM

Debbie Eckmier:
I must admit that all of this STUFF about marking is SO confusing... I'm having a real hard time following all this talk.

Please share what's confusing or puzzling.

Thankful for Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament Based on SemanticDomains preface and introduction => https://ref.ly/logosres/louwnida;art=preface

In a nutshell, Louw-Nida and Bible Sense Lexicon allow the same word to be tagged differently to reflect contextual usage.

Thankful for Faithlife creating and expanding Bible Sense Lexicon, which is usable in all Bible Books => A Louw-Nida equivalent for Hebrew and => Does "Bible Sense Lexicon" track with Louw-Nida Semantic Domains ?

Thankful for many friendly forum discussions: have learned a lot plus have a lot to learn. Thread => TIP of the day: meaning and classification of words includes some Bible Sense Lexicon (BSL) and Louw-Nida insights.

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John Fallahee | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 29 2017 12:17 PM

Hi Deb,

Here is a link to training to teach you how to use highlighting with Louw-Nida.

www.learnlogos.com/louwnida

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Rev Uche Nwoye | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 30 2017 6:09 PM

Thanks

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