LOUW NIDA VS BIBLE SENSE LEXICON
I use Bible Sense Lexicon which I love so much. Do I still need Louw Nida? Any difference between the two?
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Yes you still need Louw and Nida for this very fact. Say you are looking up a word in an English dictionary like Merriam Webster. What you expect to find is not just a bunch of one word glosses, but actual definitions. And you would expect to find those definitions in one place- under the word you looked up- so you can see how that word is used in the context of its different meanings. For example, if I am looking up the word "trunk", I would expect to find more then one definition. Trunk can mean a storage compartment in a car, something a man wears when he swims, an appendage on an elephant, etc. If it only had gloss words like car, swimming, and elephants, that would not be helpful at all. To see how a word is translated in the bible is not the same as seeing the range of meanings or definition of a word. The Bible sense sort of moves towards meaning by giving a brief definition of a word, but you would have to look at all the places that word is used in order to find its range of meanings. Few people have that kind of time or discipline. Louw and Nida does have meanings for words but they unfortunately are not all listed together in the same place. One has to look up the word in the lexicon, double click on the word which will bring up a range of meanings, and then you have to click on each word to see its definition in its context. The better solution is the BDAG, if you can afford it which also gives meanings for words but puts them all in one place, like you would expect in a Merriam Webster English dictionary. Just remember that comparing bible translations on a verse, or one or two word glosses is not the same as finding the range of meanings of a word.
I'm sure someone with more language knowledge than I will come along and refine this, or correct what I have said. And I would welcome that because I would like to learn more about this myself. But for now, in my humble opinion, keep using your Louw and Nida with your Bible Sense Lexicon, if that is your only options. But the best choice is BDAG 3rd edition.
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Hi,
I use LN in a different way. It's a very handy resource to create either visual filters (like the one above) or searches. I the above example after reading a passage many times I turn on this visual filter to check if I have may have missed anything in the text. Of course you can do a search on the LN ranges to get the same result but this way is much faster.
Tim
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To, Tim
Is there any way that you could share how you made the visual filter for the Louw-Nida. I am a bit perplexed.
Thank you, and God Bless.
David
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J David Shuttleworth said:
To, Tim
Is there any way that you could share how you made the visual filter for the Louw-Nida. I am a bit perplexed.
Thank you, and God Bless.
David
Yes, please. And is there any other resources, except Louw Nida that can be used in this way?
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Hi,
Not sure what other resources but if you find one please let me know...I love the power that logos gives us for this sort of stuff. You may want to try John @ www.learnlogos.com I picked up quite a few of his webinars that have been very helpful with this sort of stuff. Actually he taught me how to search using LN ranges, all I did was convert that into a visual filter.
Cheers
Tim
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Nicely done Tim. You might want to share it on the faithlife visual filters group.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Hi Everyone,
Tim suggested I offer some training and tips. So here is a free training event to learn all the tips, tricks and secrets for using Louw-Nida for Bible Study and Sermon Preparation.
Live, Free Event with Q & A | Monday, August 25, 8-9 PM (ET) http://learnlogos.enterthemeeting.com/m/EMJ6XJ8B
NOTE: It will be recorded, but you will have to sign-up to be notified when the recording is available
Blessings,
John Fallahee
LearnLogos.com
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Hi all,
Here is a faithlife group with the highlight palette and visual filter.
Download them both and you're good to go.
https://faithlife.com/louw-nida-visual-filter/documents
Blessings
Tim
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Hi Tim
Many thanks for sharing this.
Good work - appreciated
Graham
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Tim Bray said:
Hi all,
Here is a faithlife group with the highlight palette and visual filter.
Download them both and you're good to go.
https://faithlife.com/louw-nida-visual-filter/documents
Blessings
Tim
Thanks, you made my day! This is a really valueable filter!
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Thanks Tim.
But when I go to https://faithlife.com/louw-nida-visual-filter/documents there is nothing listed.
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Hi Anthony
Anthony H said:But when I go to https://faithlife.com/louw-nida-visual-filter/documents there is nothing listed.
Have you pressed the "Join" button to join the group?
Graham
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Graham Criddle said:
Hi Anthony
Anthony H said:But when I go to https://faithlife.com/louw-nida-visual-filter/documents there is nothing listed.
Have you pressed the "Join" button to join the group?
Graham
Thanks Graham.... I had inadvertently chosen "Follow" rather than "Join"
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It appears that this visual filter works fine even if you don't have Louw-Nida. If you're using a Bible with Louw-Nida numbers, you're good to go.
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Lonnie Spencer said:
Yes you still need Louw and Nida for this very fact. Say you are looking up a word in an English dictionary like Merriam Webster. What you expect to find is not just a bunch of one word glosses, but actual definitions. And you would expect to find those definitions in one place- under the word you looked up- so you can see how that word is used in the context of its different meanings...
I can't speak to visual filters (which look very nice for Louw-Nida), but just to speak to finding all of the Bible Sense Lexicon definitions for a lemma (and also some of the phrases associated with it) in one place, it is possible to do this. If you are in the BSL tool, you can click on a lemma, which will open up the Bible Word Study guide:
Then, just look for the senses section:
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Thanks Jeremy! That does make it a lot more useful. Learn something new everyday[Y]
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Graham Criddle said:
Hi Tim
Many thanks for sharing this.
Good work - appreciated
Graham
+[Y] Tim, good stuff.
"I want to know all God's thoughts; the rest are just details." - Albert Einstein
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Tim Bray said:
I use LN in a different way. It's a very handy resource to create either visual filters (like the one above) or searches. I the above example after reading a passage many times I turn on this visual filter to check if I have may have missed anything in the text. Of course you can do a search on the LN ranges to get the same result but this way is much faster.
+1 [Y] Thanks plus shared "Louw-Nida 89 Relations" Highlighting Palette & Visual Filter
=> https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/documents
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Tim Bray said:
I use LN in a different way. It's a very handy resource to create either visual filters (like the one above) or searches. I the above example after reading a passage many times I turn on this visual filter to check if I have may have missed anything in the text. Of course you can do a search on the LN ranges to get the same result but this way is much faster.
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Thanks plus shared "Louw-Nida 89 Relations" Highlighting Palette & Visual Filter=> https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/documents
Keep Smiling
Thanks heaps...I modified my one to include some of the things I missed :-)
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To' Tim
Thanks heaps for your time in sharing the work that you have done. I appreciate you taking the time and effort to share.
It will help in my future stud if God's Magnificent Word.
God Bless You!!
Dave
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How do you see the doc in the Faithlife group? I just joined.
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They are in the Document folder & are both called Louw-Nida 89 Relations in the Logos Visual Filters group. You need the Visual Filter & the Highlighting Palette.
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when I click on them I get this---https://documents.logos.com/documents/e6f58ff8105b49789ea793d4fd9925a5
What do I do with this?
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FWIW, when I joined and tried to download the document, nothing appeared to happen. But when I opened Logos, it had installed itself.
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Hi John,
1 - Join the group "Logos Visual Filters" https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/about
2 - Open the documents tab https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/documents
3 - Download the following two files: Louw-Nida 89 Relations (visual filter) AND Louw-Nida 89 Relations (highlight palette)
You do this by clicking on the blue "action" button to the right of the file and selecting copy.
Once you have done both you are good to go.
The above files replace my original ones as "Keep Smiling For Jesus :-)" upgraded them with better ones.
Blessings Tim
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Thanks for this key piece of info. Now I get it. It puts it into LBS.
Thanks,
John
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I have added two more visual filters with their corresponding highlighting palettes that feature Louw-Nida Domains to the Visual Filters Faithlife group. One includes Discourse Markers and Comparisons, the other Time and Location references. Here is how you can use them:
If you do Inducting Bible Study:
- Turning on the Relations filter helps you find conclusions and contrast as well as other text connectors that show how the authors thought or argument progresses and develops.
- Turning on the Time and Location filter helps you find expressions of time and geographical locations
- Turning on the Discourse Markers and Comparison filter helps you find different kinds of comparisons in the text as well as other features that the author wanted us to especially notice
If you do Discourse Analysis:
- The Relations give us an idea of the propositional relations, how the discourse is developed
- Time and Location usually mark progress of the discourse. Change of time or location signal a new thought unit, a new paragraph
- Discourse Markers and Comparison all have to do with things the author has put into focus
Once you have downloaded the filters you can modify them to suit your mark-up stile. For example if you do inductive bible study and you have already a highlighting style for time, location etc. you can simple select your highlighting style in the filter instead of mine.
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thank you
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thanks to all for sharing these tools - they are excellent and much appreciated!
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