LOUW NIDA VS BIBLE SENSE LEXICON

Hi,

I use LN in a different way. It's a very handy resource to create either visual filters (like the one above) or searches. I the above example after reading a passage many times I turn on this visual filter to check if I have may have missed anything in the text. Of course you can do a search on the LN ranges to get the same result but this way is much faster.

Tim

J David Shuttleworth said:

To, Tim

Is there any way that you could share how you made the visual filter for the Louw-Nida. I am a bit perplexed. 

Thank you, and God Bless.

David

Yes, please. And is there any other resources, except Louw Nida that can be used in this way?

Hi,

Not sure what other resources but if you find one please let me know...I love the power that logos gives us for this sort of stuff. You may want to try John @ www.learnlogos.com I picked up quite a few of his webinars that have been very helpful with this sort of stuff. Actually he taught me how to search using LN ranges, all I did was convert that into a visual filter.

Cheers

Tim

Hi Everyone,

Tim suggested I offer some training and tips. So here is a free training event to learn all the tips, tricks and secrets for using Louw-Nida for Bible Study and Sermon Preparation. 

Live, Free Event with Q & A | Monday, August 25, 8-9 PM (ET) http://learnlogos.enterthemeeting.com/m/EMJ6XJ8B

NOTE: It will be recorded, but you will have to sign-up to be notified when the recording is available

Blessings,

John Fallahee

LearnLogos.com

Thanks Tim.

But when I go to https://faithlife.com/louw-nida-visual-filter/documents there is nothing listed.

Graham Criddle said:

Hi Anthony

Anthony H said:

But when I go to https://faithlife.com/louw-nida-visual-filter/documents there is nothing listed.

Have you pressed the "Join" button to join the group?

Graham

Thanks Graham.... I had inadvertently chosen "Follow" rather than "Join"  

Graham Criddle said:

Hi Tim

Many thanks for sharing this.

Good work - appreciated

Graham

+[Y] Tim, good stuff.

" rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus said:

Tim Bray said:

I use LN in a different way. It's a very handy resource to create either visual filters (like the one above) or searches. I the above example after reading a passage many times I turn on this visual filter to check if I have may have missed anything in the text. Of course you can do a search on the LN ranges to get the same result but this way is much faster.

+1 Thanks plus shared "Louw-Nida 89 Relations" Highlighting Palette & Visual Filter

=> https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/documents

Keep Smiling

Thanks heaps...I modified my one to include some of the things I missed :-)

How do you see the doc in the Faithlife group? I just joined.

when I click on them I get this---https://documents.logos.com/documents/e6f58ff8105b49789ea793d4fd9925a5

What do I do with this?

Hi John,

1 - Join the group "Logos Visual Filters" https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/about

2 - Open the documents tab https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/documents

3 - Download the following two files: Louw-Nida 89 Relations (visual filter) AND Louw-Nida 89 Relations (highlight palette)

You do this by clicking on the blue "action" button to the right of the file and selecting copy.

Once you have done both you are good to go.

The above files replace my original ones as "Keep Smiling For Jesus :-)" upgraded them with better ones.

Blessings Tim 

I have added two more visual filters with their corresponding highlighting palettes that feature Louw-Nida Domains to the Visual Filters Faithlife group. One includes Discourse Markers and Comparisons, the other Time and Location references. Here is how you can use them:

If you do Inducting Bible Study:

• Turning on the Relations filter helps you find conclusions and contrast as well as other text connectors that show how the authors thought or argument progresses and develops.
• Turning on the Time and Location filter helps you find expressions of time and geographical locations
• Turning on the Discourse Markers and Comparison filter helps you find different kinds of comparisons in the text as well as other features that the author wanted us to especially notice

If you do Discourse Analysis:

• The Relations give us an idea of the propositional relations, how the discourse is developed
• Time and Location usually mark progress of the discourse. Change of time or location signal a new thought unit, a new paragraph
• Discourse Markers and Comparison all have to do with things the author has put into focus

Once you have downloaded the filters you can modify them to suit your mark-up stile. For example if you do inductive bible study and you have already a highlighting style for time, location etc. you can simple select your highlighting style in the filter instead of mine.

Fr. Charles R. Matheny said:

Thanks for the great filters! 
Anyone have tools like this for Old Testament studies?

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Hi,

I use LN in a different way. It's a very handy resource to create either visual filters (like the one above) or searches. I the above example after reading a passage many times I turn on this visual filter to check if I have may have missed anything in the text. Of course you can do a search on the LN ranges to get the same result but this way is much faster.

Tim

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This is great Tim, I have just performed it as you have done it ,but I could not show it up automatic on my Bible text ,could you please tell what to do to show it up. )I don't even see it on the Visual filters icon.)

Woops...it all else fails try following this link

https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/documents

Download both of the items below and that should fix the problem.

Rev Uche Nwoye said:

I use Bible Sense Lexicon which I love so much. Do I still need Louw Nida? Any difference between the two?

Uche

What you really need is BDAG.

Arndt, William, Frederick W. Danker, and Walter Bauer. A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2000.

Rev Uche Nwoye said:

Please what is BDAG and how is it used?

BDAG is THE go-to lexicon for the study of koine Greek texts such as the NT or early church fathers (also helpful with the LXX).  See my previous posting to which you replied where I gave the bibliographic information.  While LN can be helpful and is recommended, if you're serious you want BDAG.  With LN what you get is a gloss for a word IN A PARTICULAR CONTEXT.  With BDAG you get the range of glosses, definitions, for a word in its many uses.  LN interprets the data for you and gives you a result while BDAG makes you do a little work for yourself in determining how a word is used (though it gives abundant help in this determination).  LN is a little better than reading a translation as opposed to reading the original text.  Where LN is really helpful is in exploring the semantic domains in order to determine what other word might have been used in the context and what the author's choice says about his intention.

EDIT:  I forgot to mention how BDAG is used.  You click on a word you wish to study or type it into the find box of the lexicon which will bring up the entry for that word.  You then read through the entry noting the context of the various meanings to find one that is close to what you have in your text.  Sometimes the words surrounding your word will give you a clue.  Sometimes it's the structure of the sentence that is telling.  You will learn a lot more in this way and may find that you don't necessarily agree with the standard interpretation (but don't count too much on that since many very knowledgeable scholars have studied these texts for many years).

I'd like to look at this file but it opens to a 404 page

I must admit that all of this STUFF about marking is SO confusing... I'm having a real hard time following all this talk. Most people assume that people know how to use Logos really well and are seminary trained. I have had Logos since version 2 and I'm pretty familiar and comfortable using it in my own way but I'm still having trouble when people say go to this link (that doesn't show up) and do thus and so and I can't figure it all out.