4.0b Beta 6 (4.02.3.5916) available

I'm downloading 37.5 MB of it right now.

Installed w/o a problem. Like the new information pane settings. Impressive list of quashed bugs too!

As everyone has said....well done! That info menu is sick!

Info settings are great.  THANKS.

If I am seeing this right, it doesn't search for Parallel resources until you click the button.  That's a big improvement IMHO.  Beta 6 seems quicker.

I am still experiencing about a 5 second lag between clicking the highlight and having it actually show up on the text.  It's better than before, though, so I'm okay with that for now.

Typing notes used to be maddening in beta 5.  There was 2-3 sec lag between my typing and the letters appearing on the screen (I'm too bad a typist for that).  Now it's instantaneous. I suspected it was due to the CPU maxing out for other reasons.  Either way, it's good now.  THANKS for that one too.

Scrolling still hesitates a bit for some reaoson.  (ever since beta 4).  I'll post more on that tomorrow after I've done some more testing, etc.  It may also be smoother than before, but I couldn't tell yet.  I'll know more after my study time tomorrow.

Overall, I'm thrilled with the improvements. Can't wait for the next update.  [:D]

> Added a resource description pop-up to resource hyperlinks in the Commentaries and Cross References sections

Thank you! I'd asked for this. Love it!  (This is in Passage Guides, for you others reading this.)

And thanks for the bug fixes. I've marked a couple of my reported bugs in the wiki as fixed now. Others don't seem to have been attended to for many beta versions. Some still even show as "pending" when they are easily reproducible. What's the process/timeline for someone checking these out and marking them as "confirmed"?

Dave Hooton said:

It makes sense! It is indexed for English headwords which (real) commentaries are NOT, and "last" is one of its entries.

Thanks Dave.  I don't fully understand your answer, but I added some dictionaries in my prioritized list ahead of the commentaries, and this "fixed" the problem.

Peter

Beta 6 is, indeed, faster than beta 5.  Many things, including scrolling up/down, highlighting and creating clippings feel snappier.  Not sure what was done but it seems to have had a good effect.  Very nice!

Upon further investigation ... if the commentary title is too long for the width of the passage guide (i.e. it is truncated buy the window) then the title is displayed and not the info. Making the width of the PG wider enables the full info pop-up.

 

I would have expected the full info pop-up at all times since it does include the full title at any rate.

Richard DeRuiter said:

Philip Spitzer said:

Love the information setting menu!

Okay, I give up. Where is this setting? I see the Language program setting, but not the Information panel setting.

It's in the Information window, not the Program Settings window:

Philip Spitzer said:

Love the information setting menu!

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Bradley,

Perhaps yet again I can try and persuade you to give more information when a new build comes out.  This thread is a perfect example.  You bring us two new features, and then make us all hunt and peck to find out where in the world they can be found.  Is it really a help to beta testing when folks who have been at this for some time (in some instances beta testing multiple Logos versions over months and years) can't find what is new?

Would it really hurt to take a little time and upload a screen shot or two?  Really?

Tim Hensler said:

Hunting and pecking for new features is part of the adventure of beta testing.

Yes, I agree with Tim and here is one more new feature we asked for many times:

when you are in the open resource and look at the book info, you can see and change the stars and tags. Wonderful. It is very useful. I usually tried to rate my resources while using it. Not in the Library. Thanks Logos. Good job.

Bohuslav Wojnar said:

Tim Hensler said:

Hunting and pecking for new features is part of the adventure of beta testing.

Yes, I agree with Tim and here is one more new feature we asked for many times:

when you are in the open resource and look at the book info, you can see and change the stars and tags. Wonderful. It is very useful. I usually tried to rate my resources while using it. Not in the Library. Thanks Logos. Good job.

Yay! That's one I've asked for. Thank you, Bradley and Logos!

And yes, I love hunting and pecking for new features and learning about them from other forum users. I'm very happy that Bradley gives us the long list of changes and bug fixes with each new release, even if it's in shorthand that we have to figure out sometimes. He's good about answering when we have specific questions. I wouldn't want him to take any more time away from getting the rest of the features implemented to write up release notes for us.

So, as Beta testers, if another Beta tester asks us how to find a particular item, we should tell them to hunt and peck? Should BillS not have told us about the new ability to rate in resources because as Beta testers we are supposed to hunt and peck...

I'm with Fred on this. It would add approximately three minutes work to make 6 screen shots and post them to the forum along with the release notes. Personally, I don't think that this is an overly onerous burden to place on the already overworked Logos staff.

If we can't find new program features, we cannot test them... This is the essence of Beta testing - not hunting and pecking...

Damian McGrath said:

So, as Beta testers, if another Beta tester asks us how to find a particular item, we should tell them to hunt and peck? Should BillS not have told us about the new ability to rate in resources because as Beta testers we are supposed to hunt and peck...

Of course not not. Nobody is saying we must hunt and peck; it's just that some of us who have discovered things that way have found it a pleasant surprise. But the fact that Bradley forgot to tell us about a couple of changes should not be held against him. The guy is very overworked. C'mon, give him a break. And he's explained before why it's sometimes hard to keep track of what has changed between releases. It's not like he's trying to make us hunt and peck on purpose.

Damian McGrath said:

I'm with Fred on this. It would add approximately three minutes work to make 6 screen shots and post them to the forum along with the release notes. Personally, I don't think that this is an overly onerous burden to place on the already overworked Logos staff.

It's fine to make a suggestion/request, but to declare that it wouldn't be an onerous burden for someone else is not our right. He does not report to us. We cannot place any demands on how he uses his precious time. And we don't know exactly how stressed and overworked he is. Reading Bob's blog post, I imagine the whole company is pretty stressed and burned out right now. Besides, every time we assume something will take someone else only a short amount of time, we are usually wrong. I've made screenshots to document things for the wiki on occasion, and the reason I'm not doing more of it regularly is it does take time to do it well. We can't anticipate everything involved were he to do this. It would include at the very least his thought processes about what to document visually, what would we be confused about? He might not be able to read our minds. It might not occur to him that we'd need a picture of things that are obvious to him.

Damian McGrath said:

If we can't find new program features, we cannot test them...

He did tell us about them, and the fact that some folks couldn't find a couple of the ones he mentioned wasn't his fault for not providing a screen shot. Other people did find them. I thought his language about them was clear enough without him having to also provide a screen shot.

Added Information Panel settings  [we know about the Information Panel; Settings is right in front of you when you open it up; whoever didn't see it was overlooking something obvious; anyone could make that mistake, but Bradley shouldn't have had to assume we'd need so much hand-holding]
Added Language program setting  [we know about "program settings" too; he used the very terminology from the Tools menu command; what could be clearer?]

When people asked here, the answers (complete with screen shots) were quickly forthcoming from other users. I don't see anything wrong with the way this scenario played out.

I'm not trying to say he shouldn't provide screen shots in the future. That would be fine with me. I'm just responding to a sense of entitlement that I detected, when I think we should be grateful that he's even taking the time to document the changes at all -- which is more than they were doing during the beta releases for 4.0, if I recall.

I also think Tim Hensler's post was very good and is worth rereading.

Rosie Perera said:

I'm not trying to say he shouldn't provide screen shots in the future. That would be fine with me. I'm just responding to a sense of entitlement that I detected, when I think we should be grateful that he's even taking the time to document the changes at all -- which is more than they were doing during the beta releases for 4.0, if I recall.

 

WOW!

I'm not going to respond to the content of your response to me other than to say that I am simply stunned.

 

 

 

Dan DeVilder said:

Quite seriously, I have not STILL seen this?  I have commentaries open, I click the little "i", I see much information, but nothing to do with stars.  Where are they?

Obviously, Dave should have posted a screen shot with circles and arrows and a paragraph of explanatory text.... [;)]

BillS said:

Where else could we get entertainment like this? LoL

I think I need to download the beta software so I can have some fun as well.  [:)]

 

 

Whyndell Grizzard said:

Dave

I did as you said but my information window did not have the "red arrows" how did you enable them? 

 

Time for another screen shot and more arrows....it never ends..[:S]