Aaaaagggghh!! It happened again. Too easy to delete a collection with no warning! PLEASE FIX THIS!!

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Mar 26 2010 6:20 PM | Locked

I was scrolling through the collections on the Open menu in my collections pane, looking for a particular one to open, when I accidentally hit the red X of one of the collections in my list (it's so close to the scroll bar) and WHAM! it was gone. No warning "are you sure you want to delete this collection?" or anything.

Please fix this somehow. This is too dangerous and too easy to stumble upon. It was a rather complex collection rule that I'd painstakingly built up, and I was bummed to have lost it.

Fortunately my laptop (which was up and running Logos at the time) had not quite synced to the change yet and I was able to open the collection over there and copy the rule to the clipboard before it too disappeared from my Laptop (the sync happened within about 2 minutes of my accidentally deleting it). So I recreated it, synced it back over to my desktop, and I'm relieved. But this could so easily have not turned out with a happy ending.

Please, Logos, I strongly urge you to find a way to keep it from being so easy to shoot oneself in the foot here.

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Alain Maashe | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 26 2010 7:06 PM | Locked

I agree, all changes (collection names or syntax) need to be confirmed with on YES/ NO options and the line showing the name of the collection should be transformed into a drop down list menu where you can select the collection you want. This is more intuitive and is the most other programs handle list.

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 1:31 AM | Locked

Yesplease

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 2:05 AM | Locked

A suggestion: reqiure right-clicking on a collection name and selecting "Delete" from a popup menu (the way the Layout menu works) to prevent accidental deletion and bring the program into more UI consistency.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 4:39 AM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
A suggestion: reqiure right-clicking on a collection name and selecting "Delete" from a popup menu (the way the Layout menu works) to prevent accidental deletion and bring the program into more UI consistency.

Fortunately, I have not yet experienced this accidental deletion, but I can see how easy it is to have this happen. I agree that this need fixing, and Rosie has an excellent solution.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 4:49 AM | Locked

Having done this a few times myself...I'm voting yes please...a confirmation box....

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 5:31 AM | Locked

Robert Pavich:

Having done this a few times myself...I'm voting yes please...a confirmation box....

Incidentally, I just noticed another place where the deletion of items could be accidentally done without intending it: In Passage Lists, you can delete an item in the list either by hovering and clicking the red X (no confirmation given) or by right-clicking (not on the link itself but somewhere else on the line) and selecting Delete. It's not as serious if you accidentally delete an item in a PL because you can Undo it with Ctrl+Z right away. But you can't undo deletion of a collection, so this should absolutely be confirmed!  (Also, make Undo work for this too.)

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 5:46 AM | Locked

I agree something should be done, but I think there's a simpler solution than a confirm button.

Don't open the Collection tool to a collection, have it open to a blank screen. Then, we can create a new collection or load whatever one we wish to see/edit. You would still have to remember to create a new document if you are creating multiple collections in a row, but this suggestion would have the benefit of being more consistent with the UI strategy Logos has adopted.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 6:02 AM | Locked

Kevin Becker:

I agree something should be done, but I think there's a simpler solution than a confirm button.

Don't open the Collection tool to a collection, have it open to a blank screen. Then, we can create a new collection or load whatever one we wish to see/edit.

You misunderstood the problem I described. It was not about opening up to a collection by default. It's about the Open menu where it is too easy to accidentally hit the red X while you're scrolling. Opening to a blank screen wouldn't solve that. You'd still need to use the Open menu on the Collections tab to open and modify an existing collection if you wanted to do that. But that's where you I into trouble hitting that darned X by mistake all the time. And I just figured out why this happens to me so often: the menu actually changes width as you scroll through it if you have some collections with longer names further down the list than the first page. So if you place your mouse squarely on the scroll bar and click twice to page down twice, you will without a doubt hit a red X without intending to, even when you're being very careful to aim at where the scroll bar is (was). This is not acceptable! I'm going to file a separate report and call it a bug that the menu changes width like this.

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James Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 6:58 AM | Locked

I agree! I haven't had the experience of accidentally deleting one on my collections but for some of them I've spent considerable time and thought creating. I'd be greatly perturbed if I accidently deleted one. My sympathies to those of you who have!

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 7:06 AM | Locked

Here's the other thread I posted, with a video demonstrating how easy this is to accidentally do: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/14417.aspx

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Dewayne Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 7:40 AM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
It's not as serious if you accidentally delete an item in a PL because you can Undo it with Ctrl+Z right away. But you can't undo deletion of a collection, so this should absolutely be confirmed!  (Also, make Undo work for this too.)

 

I agree that it is easy to delete a collection, especially after watching your video. But on my system, CTRL Z and CMD Z both bring it back. It appears that the Undo is working.

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 7:58 AM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
You misunderstood the problem I described. It was not about opening up to a collection by default. It's about the Open menu where it is too easy to accidentally hit the red X while you're scrolling. Opening to a blank screen wouldn't solve that. You'd still need to use the Open menu on the Collections tab to open and modify an existing collection if you wanted to do that. But that's where you I into trouble hitting that darned X by mistake all the time. And I just figured out why this happens to me so often: the menu actually changes width as you scroll through it if you have some collections with longer names further down the list than the first page. So if you place your mouse squarely on the scroll bar and click twice to page down twice, you will without a doubt hit a red X without intending to, even when you're being very careful to aim at where the scroll bar is (was). This is not acceptable! I'm going to file a separate report and call it a bug that the menu changes width like this.

AH, I understand now. Thanks.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 8:10 AM | Locked

Dewayne Davis:

I agree that it is easy to delete a collection, especially after watching your video. But on my system, CTRL Z and CMD Z both bring it back. It appears that the Undo is working.

Ah yes, I see that Ctrl+Z does bring the deleted collection back if you delete it while the menu is still dropped down. That wasn't intuitive. I don't think of menus as accepting keyboard commands like that. I had closed the menu and then tried to undo the deletion, and if you do that it doesn't undo.

Also, when I do Ctrl+Z to undo the deletion, I get the wonky flickering menu problem I've described elsewhere

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 8:30 AM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
Ah yes, I see that Ctrl+Z does bring the deleted collection back if you delete it while the menu is still dropped down. That wasn't intuitive.

Why would one even suspect it was possible!

The File menu objects cannot be easily deleted because you have to right click for a context menu. The Open menu for Collections should be consistent (it has the context menu but remove the X).

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Theophilus | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 8:42 AM | Locked

Rosie Perera:

the menu actually changes width as you scroll through it if you have some collections with longer names further down the list than the first page. So if you place your mouse squarely on the scroll bar and click twice to page down twice, you will without a doubt hit a red X without intending to, even when you're being very careful to aim at where the scroll bar is (was). This is not acceptable!

Ahhhh! So that's what happened! And to think that all along, I had thought it was myself who had aimed for but missed the vertical scroll bar. So it's actually because the menu changed width! Not acceptable indeed! And no, Ctrl-Z is not the most intuitive thing to do when an accident occurs like that, even if it works.

But even if the menu width was fixed (pun intended), I still think the red X delete button is too near to the vertical scroll bar. Can we still ...

(a) move it away (eg. left side of the menu instead of right side); and/or

(b) require right click for option to delete instead of just clicking on red X to delete; and/or

(c) have a "Confirm Delete? Yes / No" dialogue box

Thanks.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 8:57 AM | Locked

Theophilus:
(b) require right click for option to delete instead of just clicking on red X to delete; and/or

Since, this is the design elsewhere in the application, I vote for this one!

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 9:02 AM | Locked

Dave Hooton:

The File menu objects cannot be easily deleted because you have to right click for a context menu.

Ditto for saved Layouts, custom templates on the Guides menu, custom Highlighting styles, and Favorites. Seems like different teams in Development work working on these different features and they ended up inconsistent.

Dave Hooton:

The Open menu for Collections should be consistent (it has the context menu but remove the X).

Ditto for references in a Passage List.

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 7:33 PM | Locked

Theophilus:
(b) require right click for option to delete instead of just clicking on red X to delete;

 

I've been trying to think of any other application that in a drop-down menu allows the deletion of an item through simply clicking a red x. I can't think of any.

This option, imho, should simply be removed. The right click delete option is a standard gui option and is sufficient.

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John Fugh, Jr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 27 2010 7:36 PM | Locked

What about some sort of recycle bin for Logos 4?  A place where deleted items, notes, clippings, collections, etc go where we have the ability to recycle them.

 

John

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