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Jerome Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 1:07 PM

In Logos 7 I could access "My Account" from the home page.

I have spent some time looking for that feature and cannot find it in Logos 8.

I suggest that access be placed where it has always been in the upper right-hand corner of the home page screen or at least be listed in the drop-down menu under those three vertical dots.

If there is a way to access "My Account" already, I hope someone can share how to do it in Logos 8.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 1:10 PM

Jerome Smith:

In Logos 7 I could access "My Account" from the home page.

I have spent some time looking for that feature and cannot find it in Logos 8.

I suggest that access be placed where it has always been in the upper right-hand corner of the home page screen or at least be listed in the drop-down menu under those three vertical dots.

If there is a way to access "My Account" already, I hope someone can share how to do it in Logos 8.

Click on the dot menu on the right side of the screen then click "About Logos" There you will see the following:

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 1:16 PM

David Taylor Jr:
Click on the dot menu on the right side of the screen then click "About Logos"

That is unless you are on MacOS, in which case you'll find this under the Logos Menu in the menu bar.

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Cynthia in Florida | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 1:18 PM

Graham Owen:

John Fidel:

Jim Julian:

How do you change Bibles now; did they do away with downloaded books info? Jim Julian

Your preferred bible is now set in the library. See the Quick Start Video on Library for further details.

In addition when you click on the menu on the left side you can see all the books downloaded or updated within a certain number of days.

It looks like upgrading to Logos 8 is going to be more painful than I anticipated and I'm starting to regret not waiting longer. I was expecting a more polished Logos 7 and was certainly not expecting to have to watch a Quick Start Video on the Library to find out how to change the preferred Bible. It's beginning to feel like a lot of stuff that was not broken in 7 has been fixed in 8.

Personally I'm not a fan of videos so what I need is a Quick Start guide to what has changed, is there such a document?

Hello Graham:  I'm not a power user and honest struggled quite a bit with Logos 7, and regularly voiced my opinion about it.  I think maybe just give it a couple of days and you will see that this version is MUCH MORE intuitive and much easier to use.  It kind of reminds me of when I switched from a PC laptop to a MAC (I got it for free or I never would have thought to switch).  I swear, I could have thrown that thing across the room.  Now, I couldn't imagine every purchasing a PC laptop.  To me, MAC is so much more intuitive and logical, but because I was used to the "old way," I thought it was better.  Honestly, give L8 a day or two and play around with it.  I think you're really going to like it.  Is it perfect?  No, but its WAAAAYYYY better than 7! :)

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Jerome Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 1:20 PM

Thank you for the quick response!

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Fredc | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 1:28 PM

Jim Julian:

Where are the Quickstart 8 videos?

If you have the Quickstart Videos in your library, then you can view them within logos. If not then you cn view a library video here

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Jesse Blevins | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 1:29 PM

How do I switch from using the verbum platform over to Logos? We used to be able to do this in the command box. 

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 1:31 PM

Hi Graham,

The videos are not long, easy to follow and go step by step through some of the changes and set up. Give them a try and I think many of your concerns will be resolved. If you still find things difficult or frustrating post back.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 1:41 PM

Graham Owen:
Personally I'm not a fan of videos so what I need is a Quick Start guide to what has changed, is there such a document?

The "big picture" of what has changed is here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/173743.aspx

The Home Page is all new, so there isn't a list of everything that is different from the previous version. That would be quite tedious. But apart from Notes, there's nothing else where there are major changes from L7 (there are major additions, of course, but that's a different issue). There are also changes to the Documents and Tools menu, and the Library, but there's very little lost functionality there.

PS - Do you change your preferred Bible often?

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 1:59 PM

Cynthia in Florida:

Graham Owen:

John Fidel:

Jim Julian:

How do you change Bibles now; did they do away with downloaded books info? Jim Julian

Your preferred bible is now set in the library. See the Quick Start Video on Library for further details.

In addition when you click on the menu on the left side you can see all the books downloaded or updated within a certain number of days.

It looks like upgrading to Logos 8 is going to be more painful than I anticipated and I'm starting to regret not waiting longer. I was expecting a more polished Logos 7 and was certainly not expecting to have to watch a Quick Start Video on the Library to find out how to change the preferred Bible. It's beginning to feel like a lot of stuff that was not broken in 7 has been fixed in 8.

Personally I'm not a fan of videos so what I need is a Quick Start guide to what has changed, is there such a document?

Hello Graham:  I'm not a power user and honest struggled quite a bit with Logos 7, and regularly voiced my opinion about it.  I think maybe just give it a couple of days and you will see that this version is MUCH MORE intuitive and much easier to use.  It kind of reminds me of when I switched from a PC laptop to a MAC (I got it for free or I never would have thought to switch).  I swear, I could have thrown that thing across the room.  Now, I couldn't imagine every purchasing a PC laptop.  To me, MAC is so much more intuitive and logical, but because I was used to the "old way," I thought it was better.  Honestly, give L8 a day or two and play around with it.  I think you're really going to like it.  Is it perfect?  No, but its WAAAAYYYY better than 7! :)

Hi Cynthia

Not sure that I qualify as a power user but I am a long term user with well over 20 years of purchasing and using the Logos products. I used to spend a lot more time here in the forums and have previously participated in Beta testing. These days between Family, being a pastor and holding down a full time job I use Logos because it helps me to be productive when looking at God's Word. That's why I bought it and why I have invested a ridiculous amount of money in it.

When I sit down to prepare a sermon or Bible study I no longer want to play with the software for a few days so that I can get used to it, I want the software to let me get on with what I need to do. I don't have time to play with software, Logos is a tool, an expensive tool and I have an expectation that it will work and more importantly allow me to study with minimal fuss. Logos 7 may not have been perfect but it let me get on with the task in hand. 

Exploring the Home Page and the Bible Reading Plan as an example. Fortunately I know enough about workspaces to know how to retrieve the one that Logos 8 decided to replace when I opened Today's Reading. I also knew how to then Open the Reading Plan and open today's reading in the workspace that I wanted to use i.e. my normal workspace. I wasted a few minutes, thanks to my 20 plus years of using Logos, for someone else the impact could have been far greater.

Sadly this is not the first time on my Logos journey that we have had new releases with "missing features" or "minor" workflow changes that proved major for some users. I read about the changes to Notes and decided the the benefits outweighed the pain of change but I did not read anywhere that opening a Reading Plan will automatically:

  • close your active workspace
  • create a new workspace with Logos determined content

I honestly can't see how in this context 8 is better than 7, sorry but that work flow is just plain dumb, it is broken. This implementation shows a total disregard for the existing user and I am surprised that this was not fixed in the Beta. The Logos developers should be embarrassed that the production release works this way.

As a long term user what I need more than anything from Logos 8 is for the basics to work the way they have always worked or at least be similar enough for me to figure it out without watching three videos and reading multiple posts on this forum.

At the moment Logos 8 is proving a time waster not a time saver and in all honesty I'm not seeing anything in Logos 8 that will help me get that time back in the near future.

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Don Randolph | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 2:04 PM

In Logos 7, I had set what would come up on the home page to items I utilized most. Now, I am seeing things from Proclaim Blog and other items I don't normally use. Is there a way to decide what will and won't come up on the home page in the "Explore" section?

"If you cry out for insight and understanding and if you search for it as hidden treasure, then you will understand the fear of the LORD and find the knowledge of God." - Proverbs 2:3-5

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 2:09 PM

Don Randolph:

In Logos 7, I had set what would come up on the home page to items I utilized most. Now, I am seeing things from Proclaim Blog and other items I don't normally use. Is there a way to decide what will and won't come up on the home page in the "Explore" section?



This is being worked on and is coming in a future release.

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 2:18 PM

Mark Barnes:

PS - Do you change your preferred Bible often?

Personally no, the last time I remember having to do this was because Logos lost my preference. Thing was then I knew how to find it, if it happened now I'd need to watch the video on using the library, not exactly intuitive.

Personally I'd say that the logical place for preferred Bible would be the Settings page but that's another story.

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 2:26 PM

John Fidel:

Hi Graham,

The videos are not long, easy to follow and go step by step through some of the changes and set up. Give them a try and I think many of your concerns will be resolved. If you still find things difficult or frustrating post back.

My issue with this John is that as a 20 plus year user I really don't want to watch videos to do the basic things that I have always done.

Plus the fact is that I would never guess that if I want to change the preferred Bible I need to watch the library video. The preferred Bible has always had a special status in Logos and as far as I can remember has always been on the home page or its equivalent. 

Videos might make sense for new users and for existing users exploring new features but for the basics I expect the transition from one release to another to be relatively easy, so far going from 7 to 8, in my opinion, has tripped me up a few times unnecessarily. 

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 2:32 PM

Graham Owen:

John Fidel:

Hi Graham,

The videos are not long, easy to follow and go step by step through some of the changes and set up. Give them a try and I think many of your concerns will be resolved. If you still find things difficult or frustrating post back.

My issue with this John is that as a 20 plus year user I really don't want to watch videos to do the basic things that I have always done.

Plus the fact is that I would never guess that if I want to change the preferred Bible I need to watch the library video. The preferred Bible has always had a special status in Logos and as far as I can remember has always been on the home page or its equivalent. 

Videos might make sense for new users and for existing users exploring new features but for the basics I expect the transition from one release to another to be relatively easy, so far going from 7 to 8, in my opinion, has tripped me up a few times unnecessarily. 

I usually change my Bible preferences using the prioritization menu. 

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 2:41 PM

Mark Barnes:

The "big picture" of what has changed is here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/173743.aspx

Thanks Mark

I read this before doing the upgrade, what this does not make clear is that there are some fundamental changes and that as a result somethings are missing. 

I've been here before, history tends to repeat itself on the Logos, Faithlife journey, but back then I was involved in Beta testing so was aware of the known issues. Big difference being that I had some time to spare. 

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doc | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 2:41 PM

Once again Logos has released software that is not ready for the end user and have made workflow changes that impact upon the way we use the software everyday. They only ask fanboys and girls to private beta test and so don’t get honest feedback on whether the software is ready. I used to be a private beta tester but the stopped asking me because I gave honest feedback about things like this and they did not want to hear it. They only want to hear from people who say yes, Bob, the software is great. Users shouldn’t have to be changing workflow and then have to change it again when 8.1 is released because the software was prematurely released. And if L8 is supposed to simply things why would you move the ability to changed preferred bibles from the home page or bury a link to a users account in the about page when it also used to be one click away in a visible position on the home page. Once again FL designers have forgotten the everydSh user with some of these  backwards changes for the sake of change.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 2:48 PM

Jesse Blevins:

How do I switch from using the verbum platform over to Logos? We used to be able to do this in the command box. 

I think it always worked only in the other direction: running the Logos platform and using the command Set Verbum to Yes to see it work like Verbum and Set Verbum to No to go back to original Logos-look. As far as I have seen, they work exactly like that in L8.

Running Verbum 7 and Logos 8 latest (beta) version on Win 10

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Cynthia in Florida | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 3:08 PM

Hello Graham:  I'm sorry you're frustrated and find workflow to be "broken."  For me, I immediately was able to use it, and I'm definitely someone who struggles with this program.  I love workflow.  I found it very intuitive and I found it easy to modify, so maybe part of the concern is expectations of what the tool is meant to do.

I always found that with FL, if you present your frustrations in a clear manner with reasons, they will listen and seek to make changes that make their products better. 

On the side, when I said click around for a couple of days, I didn't mean it from a perspective of necessity, but more for you to become familiar with the program's changes.  Anytime a program upgrades, there are going to be functions that are changed that you don't like.  I hope you see that the functions that you do like outweigh the former.

If not, you always have 30 days (I think that's the allotted time but don't quote me on it) to get your refund.

 

Cynthia

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Jesse Blevins | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 3:11 PM

NB.Mick:

Jesse Blevins:

How do I switch from using the verbum platform over to Logos? We used to be able to do this in the command box. 

I think it always worked only in the other direction: running the Logos platform and using the command Set Verbum to Yes to see it work like Verbum and Set Verbum to No to go back to original Logos-look. As far as I have seen, they work exactly like that in L8.

Thank you very much NB.Mick Big Smile  

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