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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 11:33 PM

Bob, thanks for setting the record straight with some facts.  

I suggest Logos work with teacher/professors to set up custom packages for coursework.  A professor sets their book list using Logos.  A student enrolled in that seminary/college class can get all their books in Logos format for a discounted rate.

I would do it for any class I taught.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 14 2009 5:00 AM

Bob Pritchett:
Many of these multi-volume commentary sets sell just a few hundred electronic copies.

I'm genuinely astonished. I snap these commentary sets up on pre-pub. That must make me one of your best customers! Apart from Anchor, I think I have all the major sets.

Regarding Pradis. Historically Zondervan have seen the software as part of the value of the electronic purchase, and have charged for upgrades. I seem to remember being asked for $35 to upgrade from Pradis 4 to Pradis 5 for my Expositors. That seemed reasonable to me, though I declined because I was too committed to Logos to be interested in paying anything for anything else.

For the sake of those who have invested lots in Pradis, I hope that Zondervan will cap or fix the upgrade price. It would seem very wrong to me for users to have to pay hundreds of dollars to 'upgrade' to Logos if they have thousands of dollars of worth of resources. A fixed price of $50-$100 would seem much fairer (and reward those who have been loyal to Zondervan).

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 14 2009 8:37 AM

Mark Barnes:
I'm genuinely astonished. I snap these commentary sets up on pre-pub. That must make me one of your best customers! Apart from Anchor, I think I have all the major sets.

 I know some say a commentary is a crutch to Bible study. I know relying on one man's opinions could result in being mislead. That is why I like having access to many different resources. If we diligently study and check "if these things be so" like the Bereans, we can enrich our study with quality resources.

And IMHO the resources in the Zondervan Collection are very good. I would not have purchased several in Pradis if I didn't think so. If I can affoprd to get those resources in Logos they will benefit me greatly. I just don't believe that would ever happen at the current $2K price. After all, have you seen the titles still to come on the Pre-pub page? There are better buys for the buck.

I would definitely buy this collection for $500. I would probably get it for $800. I might go to $1000 if nothing else is coming out of Pre-Pub at the same time. But $2000 with no credit for prior purchase? Don't think so.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 14 2009 9:47 AM

Joe Miller:
 

I suggest Logos work with teacher/professors to set up custom packages for coursework.  A professor sets their book list using Logos.  A student enrolled in that seminary/college class can get all their books in Logos format for a discounted rate.

I would do it for any class I taught.

They do this. If a professor at a seminary with a Logos-relationship requires a text or a base library, the professor gets a free copy of the resource. The academic department is very good at setting up these relationships.

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JM | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 14 2009 11:01 AM

I own Pradis Scholar's Library, NAC-NT and OT Prophets and EBC.  Pradis Scholar's Library I bought for around $80.

Pradis Scholar includes: 

Expositor's Bible Commentary: Abridged (2 Vols.)

New International Bible Commenary

New International Bible Dictionary

New International Dictionary of the Christian Church

New International Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties

Zondervan Pictorial Encyclopedia of the Bible - 5 Volumes

New International Encyclopedia of Bible Words

How to Read the Bible for All It's Worth

And whole lot more titles including a Dictionary on Archaelogy I would list out all the resources on Pradis Scholar's Library but I have UNINSTALLED ALL PRADIS SOFTWARE OFF ALL FOUR OF MY COMPUTERS since having INVESTED thousands of dollars in Logos.

So as you can see, I have very little incentive to upgrade my Zondervan titles to Logos for anything more than $100.  I just want to read the stuff and have basic search capabilities which I now have since I own them.  However, my L4 Platinum, NICOT/NT, BST, ITC, JPS, Life Application Commentary, William Barclay's, WBC, Interpretation Commentary Series, Barnhouse, Ironside (...to name but a few because like some of you, I have A LOT MORE TITLES BUT JUST CAN'T REMEMBER...), and NIB (which I run from their terrible CD-ROM and search engine...which translates into "Jonely doesn't really use"...but I do find it excellent for the most part when I do...) serves as a good replacement for all my Zondervan products.  If I really want Zondervan's NIDNTT and NIDOTTE, I would rather buy them now in Pradis format for less than $60 a piece and run them on a separate XP machine on one of my old computers indefinitely...along with my Pradis Scholar's, NAC-NT/OT Prophets, and EBC...than to shell out the big bucks for them in Logos.  I paid less than a hundred bucks for each title in Pradis.  I just want to read them and have basic search capabilities, why should I pay more especially when there are other less expensive (or more expensive) titles in Logos that are arguably comparable if not better than what is currently offered by Zondervan?  For example, for $2,000, and since I already own about half the titles in the 87 volume Zondervan/Logos package but in Pradis format, I rather get the Yale Anchor Bible Commentary...which I don't really need but really want.  Super Angry

Note:  There are many more titles...at least half...in Pradis Scholar Library that aren't duplicated in the 87 volume Zondervan/Logos package!

 

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 14 2009 3:20 PM

I own these Z products (related to the 87 vol. package):

  1. EBC--Pradis and hard copy (hc) (not sure why i'd also value the abridged set on top of that)
  2. NIVACNT--Pradis and some hc's
  3. NIVACProphets--Pradis
  4. NIDNTT--Pradis and hc
  5. ZIBBCNT--Pradis
  6. and some individual titles as hc--fee/stuarts couple of books, halleys, etc

i put this on pre-pub for 2000, but I am cancelling.  Not out of anger, but primarily for monetary reasons.  But the "monetary reasons" are supported by several factors:

  • our church is going thru severe financial times, I cannot in good conscience buy something at that price.  Let alone that, I cannot even muster up the money for it.  I am scrambling to replace about half of my income by next month in a SE Mich economy, so I can both stay at this church and not lose my house etc.  I had been considering the timeshare--err, payment plan--for Portfolio, but had to back off that today, too.
  • I have it on Pradis--mostly
  • I think, upon reflection, that 2,000 is wayyyyy to much to spend, this economy notwithstanding.  I like Z products, but much of what they offer duplicates sets i have.  They are not must buys.  I do agree with a growing groundswell: for 500 i'd do it few questions asked (but right now, even that would be impossible for me), for 800, maybe if the timing was right, for 1,000 . . . .probably not.  Especially since there are other pre-pubs at better deals with material that actually expands the "type" of books and info I have in my library, not mere "add" to it (as Z would be for me).
  • I like Z products.  I am interested in some of the sets I don't have, (like the NIDOTTE), but seeing as they are not being offered at ANY pre-pub discount, I can wait till money flows again.  Who knows when that will be.

 

I did not even know about "Pradis Scholars" etc.  Or, if I did, I probably owned some of those products so it wasn't "worth it" for me.

 

Incidentally, Guthrie did a great job on the "hebrews" part of ZIBBCNT, I was thrilled to use it.  But some of the other entries I have used since then (can't remember which off hand) were so-so.

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Bob Schlessman | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 14 2009 4:42 PM

1 - $500 would be tempting, but anything above that is out of my budget.

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 14 2009 11:19 PM

Well, one thing for sure, it is going to be interesting to see how Zondervan does in branching out into the digital market on other platforms. At this stage it feels like they're saying "ok, you can have our stuff in Libronix format, but at a price". If users don't buy into it on large scale, will they decide there is a lack of demand or will they consider that they need to relook at the the price points for their collections. For example, to buy the whole collection on pre-pub is not that much savings over buying individual sets. It's going to be very interesting to see how this plays out.

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Steven Yu | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 17 2010 8:29 PM

For those people who decide to purchase the pre-publications, the release date have just been released - 4/5/2010


Time for some serious budgeting, and skip few more lunch :-)

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 17 2010 8:59 PM

The price has recently dropped by $200 to $1799.95. I guess Logos and Zondervan listened to us. It's not the $500 that many of us were wanting, but it's a change for the better anyway.

http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/5656

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Alan Macgregor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2010 2:08 AM

In normal circumstances I would probably order some of these titles, though not the whole package, but these are not normal circumstances. I have just managed to afford the upgrade from Libronix 3 Scholars Gold to Logos 4 Scholars Platinum. I would love to add NIV Application, NICOT, NICNT to that, as I have a goodly number in hardback. I'm not fussed about anything else really.

For $2000 - No

For $1000 - No

For $500 - perhaps, but it's still a lot of money to me.

 

 

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2010 4:03 AM

I see a bit of improvement in this price drop, but not enough to affect my decision--it's still a bit steep in my view.  What they are asking now is in the ball park of what I paid to upgrade to Portfolio (more actually), and I got hundreds of new titles in that. It isn't that I think the books themselves aren't worth what they are asking...theoretically they may be...I'm just not going to pay that much for them. Sure I would love to have the resources, but the cost is prohibitive. I stil think this Z collection would FLY off the shelves at $500 and they would generate more profit than they will going this route, but it's their merchandise to not sell. I might even consider buying at half this current PrePub price at a later date, but I frankly don't see that happening.

Oh well, I guess I won't be quoting Zondervan resources in any of my books. No biggie. I've got tons of resources in my Portfolio and in hardcopy to cull from...more than I will ever have time to fully read and use. But if things change, I will reconsider--I am buying...I've got near about $10K in PrePub orders in the pipe.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2010 7:01 AM

I want the NIVAC commentaries, the Expositors Bible Commentary, Colin Brown's Dictionary of New Testament Theology.  Indeed, I will buy these which come to a little more than $600 individually in pre-pub. 

There are one or two others that I would like, but can live without.

So I guess that I would be willing to pay about $700 for the lot.  Of course, they are worth more than that, but not to me. 

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2010 7:10 AM

The make your own package at a certain % discount - with a minimum order - would make a lot of sense to me.  Might be an experiment worth Logos' time in trying.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2010 5:01 PM

Rosie Perera:
I guess Logos and Zondervan listened to us. It's not the $500 that many of us were wanting, but it's a change for the better anyway.

Not really. Over the years I have learned NOT to register a product unless it is required for functionality. I have a bunch of unregistered Zondervan product that is still is worthless towards a crossgrade to Logos format. Zondervan could have honored any never registered product towards crossgrades but they didn't.
I can give them all the blank cards & numbers but I suspect they have my mugshot on a dartboard in their break room.

You see, I got tired of software companies selling my name & demographics to others for money.Even now, I use trash email accounts for many "registrations" with creative spellings to track which so called "privacy policies" are not really honored.

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Brooks Cochran | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2010 6:17 PM

I own the follow in Pradis:

EBC; NIDNTT; NIDOTT; Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary: New Testament and the NIV Application Commentary: New Testament. To be honest I can't see myself buying these for any price or at least for now. I have been a Logos user since 1993. I have to remind myself that I own Pradis and hit the "Alt-Tab" keys to go between programs. I also, not to upset anyone, have to ask myself what are they worth to me at any price in Logos format. Will I use them? or Do I find all I need from the TJL, Baker books, IVP Reference Books I own under Logos?

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Keith Savage | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2010 6:33 PM

I own some of it in print but I would love to have it as a part of Logos. I can not swing this price. It is about equal to how much I have invested in my library total (portfolio). Bring it down at least $1000 and I will place my order!

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 19 2010 12:44 AM

Matthew C Jones:

Rosie Perera:
I guess Logos and Zondervan listened to us. It's not the $500 that many of us were wanting, but it's a change for the better anyway.

Not really. Over the years I have learned NOT to register a product unless it is required for functionality. I have a bunch of unregistered Zondervan product that is still is worthless towards a crossgrade to Logos format. Zondervan could have honored any never registered product towards crossgrades but they didn't.
I can give them all the blank cards & numbers but I suspect they have my mugshot on a dartboard in their break room.

You see, I got tired of software companies selling my name & demographics to others for money.Even now, I use trash email accounts for many "registrations" with creative spellings to track which so called "privacy policies" are not really honored.

I never register software either. I didn't say anything about registering. I meant that perhaps all the voices here on this forum about how the price was too high got conveyed to Zondervan by the Logos folks and they relented and lowered it a teeny bit. Not enough, but all I meant was that perhaps they were listening....somewhat.  (Also my comment didn't apply to people trying to crossgrade to this bundle from Pradis; I never had Pradis before, so for me and others like me we're looking at what was a $2000 price tag, and now it's $1800, and having to weigh whether that's worth it to us.)

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Mike W | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 19 2010 2:35 PM

Matthew C Jones:

Rosie Perera:
I guess Logos and Zondervan listened to us. It's not the $500 that many of us were wanting, but it's a change for the better anyway.

Not really. Over the years I have learned NOT to register a product unless it is required for functionality. I have a bunch of unregistered Zondervan product that is still is worthless towards a crossgrade to Logos format. Zondervan could have honored any never registered product towards crossgrades but they didn't.
I can give them all the blank cards & numbers but I suspect they have my mugshot on a dartboard in their break room.

You see, I got tired of software companies selling my name & demographics to others for money.Even now, I use trash email accounts for many "registrations" with creative spellings to track which so called "privacy policies" are not really honored.

I did register my Pradis software but Logos said I was not in the database that Zondervan sent (not Logos fault on this).  Customer Service at Zondervan said that they had a number of Pradis users that somehow were left out of the database.  They asked for some basic information about the purchase and said that they were advising Logos to provide the discounts to the people who had contacted them.  They responded quickly to my request for help and were very courteous.  You might get a better response than you expect form Zondervan if you give them a call.

 

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Alan Charles Gielczyk | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 19 2010 6:14 PM

This whole Zondervan thing has left a bad taste in my mouth. I ordered the prepub at $2000 and now that they have dropped it a whopping $200 I am canceling my order. If they think dropping the price that little will increase their profits I say good luck.

I would pay $500

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