Logos 4.0b Beta 1 (v4.02.3.4945) is now available for testing. For important beta testing information, see http://community.logos.com/forums/t/8883.aspx
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How to Join the Beta Run the special beta installer here: http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/InstallerBeta/Logos4Setup.exe
Run the special beta installer here: http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/InstallerBeta/Logos4Setup.exe
Bradley, when I run this I get the message: "Logos Bible Software is up-to-date" Nothing else seems to happen and L4 reports 4.0a SR-2 for version number.
EDIT: Mine is already installing too now.
BTW, the update toolbar for L3 worked very, very fast for all my notes. I wonder what it actually did.
Same here
same here... don't use the notes feature, but love the sound of the update snapshot feature....
Update - downloading now!!!
Does this install cause a complete re-index?I'm away for a few days and only have my netbook with me. I never index with this computer.
Based on the time estimates I am seeing, it isn't a complete index
From the notes: Added Bibles-only search index
Update was smooth. Imports all seemed to go quickly. No problems at this time. It is indexing now with about 59 minutes left.
First glance at notes importing isn't very pleasing.
Outlining is lost.
The old note title becomes the first line of the note text.
The new note title is the first few lines of the location of the note. If I had wanted to highlight that text, I would have added the note to a selection in the first place.
Font changed to Default everywhere, loosing my face and size settings.
Special symbols sometimes render as boxes.
Text color lost.
Spacing is tighter between paragraphs (but I actually prefer that).
It is indexing now with about 59 minutes left.
Mine finished in just under an hour.
Added an “Update to current snapshot” context menu option to saved layouts, which replaces the saved layout with the current layout.
Not seeing, this.
Added an “Update to current snapshot” context menu option to saved layouts, which replaces the saved layout with the current layout. Not seeing, this.
Right click on the named layout and it's there:
Resources support navigating by data type levels, highlighting, and search results
Thanks for this, but if I have a lot of markup, the arrow button often appears not to work. I think it's not scrolling the page when the next markup is within ~10 lines from the top (the reference box is updating, but the screen doesn't realign to that verse). It was very confusing at first.
It's there for me.
I don't plan on jumping on the beta until we reach the RC stage, but I have to admit that I really like some of the new features being added. I know a couple are ones that many (including myself) specifically asked for, and there are several that I think will be really nice. I didn't know I wanted them until I saw them! Good work guys! Look forward to seeing how the beta progresses.
Well, that was strange. Windows 7 just blue screened. I have the context menu now that I am booted back up. Thanks Todd
Importing crashes on my computer. I get the "this program stopped working" message from Windows 7. It looks for a solution, does not find any and shut down Logos 4. I restarted the PC but it made no difference.
My indexing just finished but importing is taking a very, very long time, and synchronization is running continuously. I have 81 note files and I'm watching them come on my files list.Ah, the last one just finished.
The lesson is, don't import notes before indexing finishes, I guess.
Added Parallel Resource drop-down menu in resource toolbar
This looks pretty good, Bradley. However it seems incomplete at this time.
1. For example, there are no parallel resources for a number of my Greek lexicons (BDAG, ANLEX, LN, EDNT, Newman, TLNT, Lexham, etc). I have it on the TDNT and WSNTDICT but the results there are strange. It lists my collection Greek Lexicons but only six lexicons are listed (no scrolling). I have 18 resources in that collection.
The situation with my Hebrew lexicons is worse. I don't have many of them open, but my enhanced BDB shows parallel resources but just 2 of the 22 in my Hebrew Lexicons collection:
BTW: the way a Hebrew-Greek resource is handled is very nice. Example: NASB Hebrew-Aramaic-Greek Dictionaries which is a single volume:
You might also note that the Hebrew side reports a different set of resources than I got for the enhanced BDB.
I admit I don't know how Logos is generating these parallel resource associations, but if you are using my collections, there is something not working quite as expected, and in some cases not at all.
2. I also have no parallel associations for any of my Bible dictionaries: ABD, NBD, ISBE, Rev, etc.
My highlights do import (thanks!).
However, there is no display on hover-over of the highlight name (as in L3). Also, not all of my highlight styles are present in the Highlighting drop-down. This means there are highlights I used to indicate something, but I can't always remember what it was. Nor am I able to continue to use the same styles in future work, since my highlighting schemes aren't imported.
So I'm glad it worked, but I'm disappointed it didn't work like I was hoping.
My notes did not import.
I followed the directions to upgrade my notes in L3.
I typed 'Import Notes' in the command bar and hit return. Nothing seemed to happen. I got no messages, and I have no new note files under my File menu.
Added Parallel Resource drop-down menu in resource toolbar This looks pretty good, Bradley. However it seems incomplete at this time. 1. For example, there are no parallel resources for a number of my Greek lexicons (BDAG, ANLEX, LN, EDNT, Newman, TLNT, Lexham, etc). I have it on the TDNT and WSNTDICT but the results there are strange. It lists my collection Greek Lexicons but only six lexicons are listed (no scrolling). I have 18 resources in that collection.
Bradley,
It would be very nice if you could give even the shortest of descriptions on these new features. I can't find any of the "parallel resource toolbars" after opening a bunch of resources. It is very frustrating to have to play "find the needle in the haystack" to see if it works. You did not say which resources, where we should look to click, or how we would implement it. The result is frustration, that borders (to be honest) on "I don't really care what the feature is."
Please help.
By the way, what does this mean?
[quote]Resources support navigating by data type levels, highlighting, and search results
Sounds useful, but I have no idea what it means, and I am not about to play a guessing game for a couple of hours to figure it out. A nice two sentence description would be great, and save many people a lot of time.
I can't find any of the "parallel resource toolbars" after opening a bunch of resources.
I found that I had to have a resource open for a bit before the parallel button came up (syncing maybe?). You can see what it looks like below (the two parallel lines on the resource bar next to the three circle deal):
Probably the first place to look for this is with your Bibles.
See below for one example. There will be a new button next to the up/down arrow on the resource bar. Clicking on it tells you what levels are available to navigate by. Choose one and the up/down arrow will go to the next one of those. The example shows I've selected 'Highlight'. When I click on the down arrow it took me to the next highlighted text it found. This will be real handy for search results, restoring the capability we had in 3.0 to click thru search results.
This is not to say your suggestion to Bradley isn't a good one.
Just an overall comment: great added functionality and many thanks for the responses to the user requests. The 4.0a update was good. 4.0b will make a lot of people smile.
The "Parallel Resources" icon will only show up (in 4.0b Beta 1) if you have created a custom collection that includes the current resource. This may change in future beta releases.
Sounds useful, but I have no idea what it means, and I am not about to play a guessing game for a couple of hours to figure it out.
Click the arrow next to "Article" in most resource panels to access this feature.
Bradley, I just read through your warning. Can't respond there, so I'm asking here.
Do I read that it is safe to allow a 4.0a SR-2 machine to sync with a 4.0b B-1 machine?
The warnings about not sharing documents I take to refer to copying between machines, not syncing between machines.
Right?
Awesome, Bradley. Thank you! This has lots of important new features people have been asking for, and nice to see you guys are pretty much on track with the "missing features coming soon."
One question: has the ability to select and copy text from anywhere (search results, guides, resource info panels, etc.), like L3 could do, made it onto the "missing features coming soon" list internally? We'd love to see it on the web page so we can get an idea when to expect it. People keep asking for it. Here's the latest. And we'd like to assure them that yes the Logos people know about this request and are planning to put this feature back in...
Thanks!
Wow, it's great. It looks you really want to keep the rocket speed of work there in Logos. Good. I like it [:)]. Going immediately to install Beta... so pardon me for now...
I'm noticing 4.0b is even faster still -- especially Passage Guide. Way to go! Keep up the good optimization work; it's very much appreciated.
OK I downloaded the L3 toobar and ran it
Downloaded beta, and then types update all
Imported notes (NO CRASH) success
Higlighting didnt import
The 4.0a update was good. 4.0b will make a lot of people smile.
Mark,
I agree; I'm smiling right now... [:D]
Added Parallel Resource drop-down menu in resource toolbar This looks pretty good, Bradley. However it seems incomplete at this time. 1. For example, there are no parallel resources for a number of my Greek lexicons (BDAG, ANLEX, LN, EDNT, Newman, TLNT, Lexham, etc). I have it on the TDNT and WSNTDICT but the results there are strange. It lists my collection Greek Lexicons but only six lexicons are listed (no scrolling). I have 18 resources in that collection. The situation with my Hebrew lexicons is worse. I don't have many of them open, but my enhanced BDB shows parallel resources but just 2 of the 22 in my Hebrew Lexicons collection: BTW: the way a Hebrew-Greek resource is handled is very nice. Example: NASB Hebrew-Aramaic-Greek Dictionaries which is a single volume: You might also note that the Hebrew side reports a different set of resources than I got for the enhanced BDB. I admit I don't know how Logos is generating these parallel resource associations, but if you are using my collections, there is something not working quite as expected, and in some cases not at all. 2. I also have no parallel associations for any of my Bible dictionaries: ABD, NBD, ISBE, Rev, etc.
Same here.
Richard,
How did you manage to finally download the beta? I run the installer and always get the message "Logos Bible Software is up-to-date."
Bradley, when I run this I get the message: "Logos Bible Software is up-to-date" Nothing else seems to happen and L4 reports 4.0a SR-2 for version number. EDIT: Mine is already installing too now.
Richard, How did you manage to finally download the beta? I run the installer and always get the message "Logos Bible Software is up-to-date."
The third time I downloaded it, it worked. There must have been a lag between when the forum post went up and the beta was put on the web site.
Are you downloading the update now and still finding it doing that?
Richard, How did you manage to finally download the beta? I run the installer and always get the message "Logos Bible Software is up-to-date." The third time I downloaded it, it worked. There must have been a lag between when the forum post went up and the beta was put on the web site. Are you downloading the update now and still finding it doing that?
Yes, I've been trying this morning (Central European Time) and still cannot install the beta.
I would still like to see the Logos Logo on the blue ribbon turned into an active link for the Logos homepage. It seems a most intuitive use of that logo and would be very useful. I've suggested it before but I don't think anybody has heard. What do others think?
This is awesome! Totally streamlined my approach to layouts.
Using this to switch between resources provides a much snappier response than switching between the same resources all open in multiple tabs!
The requirements page states that you needL3 installed. I don't have it installed, but kept the data directory intact when I copied my files to my new WIN7 install. And the notes imported. [y]
Added “Adjust plan” feature to reading plans. If you are behind, you can right-click on a day and select “Adjust plan from here”, which pushes everything back so that you start reading on that day.
New Features Import notes, highlighting and favorites from LDLS3. To start the import, enter one of the following commands in the command box NOTE: Before importing notes, please read the important instructions about importing from LDLS3 import notes import highlighting import favorites import all (imports all three types listed above) Added Parallel Resource drop-down menu in resource toolbar
Starting to go through these. Imported notes and higlighting and made some observations in a couple of other posts.
Parallel resources do work. Very cool! However content of the same type are sometimes included in parallel sets where they don't occur. For example, I created a collection of Exegetical Commentaries and Homiletical Commentaries. I did not include the IVP Bible Background Commentary in either set. However when I look at that commentary the parallel resource button is on the tab and shows that it is connected to the Exegetical Commentary set. At least there is a check after Exegetical Commentaries on the drop down box on that tab (which contains many commentaries not included in that, or any collection).
I have no idea what this means, or how I would test/use this. Please elaborate.
Added Graph Search Results to Morph Search when all searched resources are Bibles
Haven't tried this yet.
Added “Speed search” to Bible search, which is now the default
This does work, but since it first looks for words in a 'word list' and then displays verse results, it is actually slower than regular search. Consider changing the name to "Search as you type."
Love this! One of the first features I used. Worked perfectly, and as designed.
Added a button to the Search Panel toolbar to create a new Visual Filter document from the search
I see this but haven't tried it yet. Looks promising.
Added “Adjust plan” feature to reading plans. If you are behind, you can right-click on a day and select “Adjust plan from here”, which pushes everything back so that you start reading on that day.Added domain and subdomain to the Louw-Nida search analyis group header
Haven't tried these yet. Not really sure what the second one means.
Added an access key for opening the customize menu on the home page (Alt+C)
Works as designed. This was an issue with a visually impaired person on the forums just a few days ago. Thanks!
Added Bibles-only search index
Not sure how to test this. I assume this is supposed to make Bible searches faster. Is there a benchmark we could run?
There are now different settings for auto bookmarks, user defined favorite bookmarks, and search bookmarks for more control over visual bookmark settings
I see them in the settings list now. Haven't tested them yet. Looks promising.
Adding “Default Sans Serif” font option to the Settings panel
Yep. Nice font too.
External links can be dragged to the Favorites panel
Haven't tested this yet, but I'm not one who's used Favorites a lot in the past (never had any in L3).
Copy Bible Verses Global Shortcut is now shown in Program Settings
Yes, and it looks like it can be changed there (three options), or disabled.
Changed layout of reference range picker in Bible Search, Morph Search, and Reading Plan
Looks pretty similar (at least) to what was before. Reference ranges still save automatically, regardless of clicking "Save."
Each unique term in a search query is now highlighted with a different color
Nice. Do you notice that this highlighting disappears when hovering over the verse so that the full verse is displayed?
Input boxes will try to provide valid Bible reference ranges instead of doing nothing (e.g. “mt 28:18-22” will parse to Mt 28:18-20)
Works great! I tried Psalm 152 and it showed me Psalm 150. Clicking ENTER (with Psalm 152 in the address box) puts me at Psalm 150:1.
User-defined collections now have their own section (separate from Series) in Search range picker
Nice. Had to scroll a little to find them but there they are, just above all the 'MyTag' entries.
Implicit Series are now included as options in the Cited By panel menu (disabled by default)
I think I know what you mean by implicit series. Are these defined by an algorithm, or are they tagged as series in the Library?
A lot of the bugs aren't issues I'd know how to test, or just don't feel like it right now but...
Fixed Copy Bible Verses not remembering “to” program from shortcut
CONFIRMED fixed in 4.0a B1.
Thanks for all the work that went into this. I look forward to finding ways to break it. [;)]
Resources support navigating by data type levels, highlighting, and search results I have no idea what this means, or how I would test/use this. Please elaborate.
There's a new menu on the Resource toolbar where you can select data type, and then the new Up/Down arrows next to it will navigate through your resource by that unit. Also if you do a Find within a resource, you can click the up/down carets (shouldn't they be arrows too, for consistency?) to get to the next/prev search result. People have been asking for these enhancements. Great new feature(s)! Thanks!
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hi everybody
the new beta version install I have tried all the new import L3 to L4 everything went over smoothly
I will try the new features this evening to see what I can break[:)]
mick
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There's a new menu on the Resource toolbar where you can select data type.
Ah-ha. Actually, it's the "Locator bar," but I got it from your screen shot. I usually have that closed. Pretty handy feature, though. I might want to have it open more often now.
2678.Logos4.log
This is the log for a 4.0b1 installation that crashes during the import stage.
I solved my problem. I have installed the Beta under a different user name. Under that user name I had no annotations in the My Documents folder. I copied my annotations to a new Libronix DLS/Annotations folder under the Beta user account and the import worked just fine. I mention this because others who install under a separate account for Beta testing may run into the same problem.
Amazingly...I have not (as far as I can remember) had a single crash in any Beta since about Beta five of Logos 4.0 (that's a lot of Betas NOT to have a crash). I am truly blessed to use Logos and to "play" with these new features! I love the new parallel resources and being able to scroll via Book, Chapter, Verse, highlight, Search!!!!!
so far everything is running smoothly... notes & highlights imported perfectly! was very surprised to see my custom Psalm 119 highlighting come over so nicely. There's one that I need to fix once we can do custom highlights, but I'm very pleased [:)] my notes came over great too.
you guys rock!
I hate to be a wet blanket but on the feature now that allows you to choose "by verse"?
When you up/down arrow, it will still "skip a verse" sometimes...very annoying. (I was arrowing through John 3:
John 3:27, push arrow, 3:28, push arrow, 3:29, push arrow, 3:31....whoops? What happened to John 3:30???
Otherwise...woo hoo...things are heading in the right direction!
EDITED TO ADD: the verse skipping happens when a verse is completely contained on one line ALONG WITH the last bit of the previous verse....John 3:30, John 3:32 etc
Logos team,
Here is the zipped markup folder you requested. I tried sending it by email but my ISP won't let me.
2046.ResourceMarkup.zip
Hi
every time I to run a word study , program crashes
Please see logs 1057.Logos Log Files.zip
Here is the zipped markup folder you requested.
Thanks, Francis.
Love the new navigation features.
I suggest the addition of navigating by Pericope for Bibles (in addition to Article, Book, Chapter, Verse).
Good suggestion. Start a new thread for it in the Suggestions forum and it's more likely to be seen when they're looking for ideas people have suggested. In the meantime, did you know you could get to the Logos website (your Account page on it) by clicking on your login email address from your Home Page? Still, your suggestion is great and worth bringing to the attention of the feature designers.
There's a new menu on the Resource toolbar where you can select data type. Ah-ha. Actually, it's the "Locator bar," but I got it from your screen shot. I usually have that closed. Pretty handy feature, though. I might want to have it open more often now.
Thanks for the official name of this. I’ve added it to my list for the glossary on the wiki. I haven’t had time to get back to working on that.
tried searching for "limited atonement" in my collections (systematic theology) and got zero hits...
I guess it thought you wanted a limited search… [;)]
I hate to be a wet blanket but on the feature now that allows you to choose "by verse"? When you up/down arrow, it will still "skip a verse" sometimes...very annoying. (I was arrowing through John 3: John 3:27, push arrow, 3:28, push arrow, 3:29, push arrow, 3:31....whoops? What happened to John 3:30??? Otherwise...woo hoo...things are heading in the right direction! EDITED TO ADD: the verse skipping happens when a verse is completely contained on one line ALONG WITH the last bit of the previous verse....John 3:30, John 3:32 etc
I wasn't able to reproduce the skipping behavior. Could you clarify which Bible you are using and describe what your layout looks like (or provide a screenshot)?
I couldn't reproduce it either.
Wow, Lawrence breaks forth onto the Forum as a support specialist at heart in his first post. Welcome to the Forum! Looking forward to have you around here.[:)]
Laptop Beta install and subsequent index fine, no crashes. I'll start importing Notes, Highlighting this afternoon.
Thanks much for the new drop, 'tis greatly appreciated!
Debra
