Future speed enhancement expectation

this is my first time participating in a Beta program from the start. I'm remaining mainly silent regarding the sluggishness of the beta at this point. Bob has mentioned that the beta program will result in some speed optimization of the program. Should we expect a small amount of sluggishness remain in the final release? Should we expect a mild or significant amount of speed enhancements? I can understand if Logos does not feel comfortable making predictions about a program not finished yet but to the degree that some are comfortable what should we expect?

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Bob Pritchett

How old is your machine?

We do hope to optimize the product, but I can't say for sure that it'll be dramatically faster. If you've got specific areas of concern, please do post them so we can see what we can do.

Our goal is to have great performance on machines two years old and newer, and acceptable performance on machines up to five years old.

spitzerpl

If you've got specific areas of concern, please do post them so we can see what we can do

below are my system resources. Also I have about 60 gigs free of 220. One thing I tried today with dual monitors was to have my nkjv w/ interlinear displayed set to reading mode on one and the information page in a floating window on the other. as I hovered over terms the information screen was rather sluggish at updating with information. I'll try to post other examples as I run across them. One thing I am NOT talking about is the amount of time to refresh the info on the passage guide. these are sufficiently fast for me since normally I start a guide in a transitional period of studying. But when I'm reading I want to see auxillary information more instantaneous so the flow of my reading is not broken up.

Damian McGrath

Our goal is to have great performance on machines two years old and newer, and acceptable performance on machines up to five years old.

Bob,

Have you taken into account the very large number of computers sold in the last two years that are netbooks (and the projected sale numbers for these machines)? Many of these run on lesser specs. My 1 year old netbook (EEE PC 1000 H) runs comparable to my almost 4 year old notebook (IBM thinkpad t43 - Pentium M - 1.73ghz with 1 gb ram). The notebook is now permanently tethered to my desk and functions as a desktop computer. I take the netbook with me everywhere. This is where I really value the portability of my library.

Elsewhere you are asking about the selling points of the new software. If it were optimised for these notebooks running as they do on the Intel Atom then that would be a major plus.

Bob Pritchett

I'm a bit worried about netbooks. We chose the architecture we did before netbooks came out, when it seemed a pretty safe assumption that machines were getting faster and more powerful on both the desktop and the laptop.

Some netbooks are pretty weak in areas we expect strength, because they're designed almost as Internet terminals -- just enough power to do email and surf the web. But Logos 4 is a "serious" application.

We've got some netbooks in-house, and will continue to do what optimizations we can, but they're going to be a challenge. (And possibly a good argument for being able to get to your library through "the cloud"!)

Damian McGrath

Bob,

Glad to know netbooks are in the mix.

I'm not sure that most netbooks are designed as internet terminals. I think that was the case with the original EEE PC (the 700 - mine is now gathering dust), but the later models have more than enough power for all basic office tasks. Office 2007 is a "serious" application and that is the primary program for which I use my netbook. I especially use it for designing and delivering presentations with powerpoint 2007.

One of the reasons that I asked, apart from the obvious fact that I use my netbook everyday and run Libronix 3.0 on it without much problem, is that it would be great if you gave consideration to offering Libronix 4.0 on SD as you are doing for 3.0.

Jacob Hantla

I'm a bit worried about netbooks. We chose the architecture we did before netbooks came out, when it seemed a pretty safe assumption that machines were getting faster and more powerful on both the desktop and the laptop.
Some netbooks are pretty weak in areas we expect strength, because they're designed almost as Internet terminals -- just enough power to do email and surf the web. But Logos 4 is a "serious" application.
We've got some netbooks in-house, and will continue to do what optimizations we can, but they're going to be a challenge. (And possibly a good argument for being able to get to your library through "the cloud"!)

My netbook runs Logos without a problem (slow, but acceptable) for everything except building an index. If this could somehow be done off-site, or synced to my desktop, or only ammended-not rebuilt- when new resources are added, I don't think I'd have a problem. But I love what you're saying about integrating as much of this with "cloud computing" as possible so long as it is not exclusively cloud computing or crippled when not.

Tom Reynolds

My laptop is less than one year old. I searched for "witness" in all Bible versions in the book of Acts. The results were nice but almost unmanageable as it ran sloooowwww. Hovering over the verses to read them was painful. I certainly hope that things are optimised and not just the search speed improves.

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Kevin A. Purcell

I want to make it clear that my search speed is quite fast. But the overall program was extremely slow when it was not indexing. It seems a little faster today, but still a little clunky.

Bob Pritchett

For various reasons, you'll get faster searching of the whole Bible than when you limit it to Acts. (The index is of the whole Bible; asking for just Acts requires us to examine the results and filter out the non-Acts ones.)

Robert Pavich

Bob,

it seems like part of the issue is that there is a paradigm shift going on...

We are used to putting things in small boxes so we don't have toupend the whole large box and throw everything on the floor to search through it....but you are now saying that yes....that's the best way to search in V4!

I remember in V3 when I first said..."man! this is slow!" So i made a gazillion collections to dice up my library and got used to that mode of searching and from that point on...I could live with the searches; they were reasonable.

I'm guessing the same thing is happening here?

Tom Reynolds

For various reasons, you'll get faster searching of the whole Bible than when you limit it to Acts. (The index is of the whole Bible; asking for just Acts requires us to examine the results and filter out the non-Acts ones.)

I didn't mean that the search took a long time (although it did. I searched all Passages in all Bibles and after the first page displayed I clicked on the Acts 20: 25 section and it took ten seconds to display) but that when I view the results the program is very slow. If I go down the list of references and then hover over a verse to read what it says Logos4 takes up to four seconds to display the verse. I could do a sword drill with the youth group in that time and get the same results .

spitzerpl

...and it took ten seconds to display)

I'm all for trying to get that 10 seconds down to instant and I hope Logos is able to :-) but I feel truly blessed to be talking 10 seconds compared to the old method :-)