Universal Windows App on Community Pricing

If you'd like to indicate your interest in—and support for—a Universal Windows App for Logos Bible Software, place a bid on this new Community Pricing product: https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-app

Your bids—no matter what price—really help us know the number of customers who would like to see a Universal Windows App become a reality, so please spread the word.

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Floyd Johnson

Please support this - as you will see if you read the entire page, the price is right.

Jason Drake

Folks lets show our support for the development of this app! I've placed my bid, please place yours so that Faithlife will make this a reality!

God bless!

Mark Groen

This is what we have wanted. Let's do this Windows and Windows Phone Fans!!!

danwdoo

Thanks so much for considering this!

Michael

Thanks for taking another step towards development. With Windows 10 on the horizon, this should be a no brainer to develop. I'd like to make Logos my go to mobile app, but at the moment it's not even close in functionality to other platforms. I placed a bid to show my support. Hopefully it won't take too long to reach the production goal.

Genghis

If you'd like to indicate your interest in—and support for—a Universal Windows App for Logos Bible Software, place a bid on this new Community Pricing product: https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-app

Your bids—no matter what price—really help us know the number of customers who would like to see a Universal Windows App become a reality, so please spread the word.

Nice!

Simon

How much space will the app require? Will it be like the Android/IOS app, not requiring the download of your complete library? That would make the app usable on Windows tablets that don't have enough free HDD space to install the Logos desktop app.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

Will it be like the Android/IOS app, not requiring the download of your complete library?

Yes; it will offer online access to resources by default, with the option to download selected resources for offline use.

Steve Maling

Other than supporting the Logos community, why would I want this new app as long as I am able to run Logos satisfactorily with Windows 8.1 on my Vivo Tab Note 8 with 64 GB?

Bohuslav Wojnar

Now that is news I was really waiting for. Thank you Bradley. [Y]

Steve Maling

Thank you, Jason!

Floyd Johnson

Bradley:

Am I correct that the bidding process is just to judge interest, not to actually charge for a product? The offer says the product will eventually be free - I assume this means for everyone, not just for those choosing to purchase after the product is released.

I do hope that this product is created - and can be used alongside the installation of Logos 5 (or whatever) on my Windows 8.1 hybrid. There are times I want a lighter, leaner reader and there are times I want all the power of the Logos 5 engine.

Thank you for any additional information you can provide.

Floyd Johnson

JoshInRI

[Y]

Jason Drake

I do hope that this product is created - and can be used alongside the installation of Logos 5 (or whatever) on my Windows 8.1 hybrid. There are times I want a lighter, leaner reader and there are times I want all the power of the Logos 5 engine.

Floyd- I feel the same way about the need for a lightweight reader app on par with what Logos has available on Android and iOS. I love the full power of Logos when I'm doing research and heavy-duty studying... but I also like to work my way through a single book from my Logos library before going to sleep at night and this only makes sense on a smaller tablet with a lightweight reader app. I had been using my old Android tablet for this but it is effectively dead so I just bought an HP Stream 7" Windows tablet for $79 (including a year of Office 365 and 1 TB of OneDrive storage!). It does everything I the old Android tablet did (and more since I have full MS Office!) EXCEPT there is no Logos reader app. If Faithlife can develop this app then I will have absolutely no need for Android or iOS and that suits me just fine!

Jason Drake

Thank you, Jason!

You bet Steve! God bless you my brother!

Jason Drake

If you'd like to indicate your interest in—and support for—a Universal Windows App for Logos Bible Software, place a bid on this new Community Pricing product: https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-app

Your bids—no matter what price—really help us know the number of customers who would like to see a Universal Windows App become a reality, so please spread the word.

Bradley, just curious if you guys have tried approaching Microsoft for support? I wonder if they have any support (financial, training, etc.) to help port over existing code from your Android/iOS projects? They are working hard to close the "app gap" and have even created incentives for their employees to develop new apps on their own time through their Microsoft Garage project. It would be great if they could help you guys out in some way! Also I did see that there are lots of free courses related to creating Universal apps (and porting existing apps) on MSDN and Microsoft Virtual Academy. I'm keeping this project in my prayers because it really would be such a blessing for so many of us who love Logos!

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

Am I correct that the bidding process is just to judge interest, not to actually charge for a product?

If you bid, you will be charged if the product goes into production.

Sam Shelton

I will gladly pay that small price for functionality on my Windows Tablet.

Thanks!

MJ. Smith

You all know that on Community Pricing, you bid the highest you are willing to pay not the going rate. As of yet I fail to see even a bump at the current rate.

Bohuslav Wojnar

Am I correct that the bidding process is just to judge interest, not to actually charge for a product?

If you bid, you will be charged if the product goes into production.

I am willing to pay without any hesitation for being able to use Logos on my Lumia 830.

Mark Groen

Working this morning I had an idea on why this app is ideal even for people without touch. If you have a multi-monitor setup it can be like another panel in Logos that you can put another resource in. In other words you will be able to split Logos up between your two monitors.

Obviously it will not be as powerful but not every resource needs all the features of Logos.

In other words, this isn't just for cheap touch devices it is for everyone with Windows 8.1 or 10 PC.

Mark Groen

I am willing to pay without any hesitation for being able to use Logos on my Lumia 830.

Exactly, they can charge me now if they want. [:D]

David Young

I just bid. Thank you so much!!

David

Mike Childs

If you'd like to indicate your interest in—and support for—a Universal Windows App for Logos Bible Software, place a bid on this new Community Pricing product: https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-app

Your bids—no matter what price—really help us know the number of customers who would like to see a Universal Windows App become a reality, so please spread the word.

I am in.

And I would like to thank Logos for making the effort to gage the interest in such an app. As someone whose only computer is a Surface Pro 2, I am very interested.

Nord Zootman

I also like to work my way through a single book from my Logos library before going to sleep at night and this only makes sense on a smaller tablet with a lightweight reader app. I had been using my old Android tablet for this but it is effectively dead so I just bought an HP Stream 7" Windows tablet for $79 (including a year of Office 365 and 1 TB of OneDrive storage!). It does everything I the old Android tablet did (and more since I have full MS Office!) EXCEPT there is no Logos reader app. If Faithlife can develop this app then I will have absolutely no need for Android or iOS and that suits me just fine!

Jason,

While you are waiting for that to happen a viable work around might be to install the Kindle app on your tablet and use the "send to Kindle" feature on Logos to send your book to the tablet.

Jason Drake

Jason,

While you are waiting for that to happen a viable work around might be to install the Kindle app on your tablet and use the "send to Kindle" feature on Logos to send your book to the tablet.

Nord,

This sounds like a nice option. I have the Kindle app on my tablet already but I'm not familiar with how to use the Send to Kindle feature in Logos. How do you do that?

God bless,

Jason

Howard C Rich

Absolutely.

Jason Drake

With the big news from Microsoft's Build conference this week about Microsoft making it ridiculously easy to port not only Android but also iOS apps to be Universal Windows Apps I'm really hoping this will kickstart Faithlife's efforts to make this a reality! See: http://gizmodo.com/microsoft-wants-to-port-everything-to-windows-1700952661

and

http://www.engadget.com/2015/04/29/android-ios-apps-on-windows-10/

David Wanat

With the big news from Microsoft's Build conference this week about Microsoft making it ridiculously easy to port not only Android but also iOS apps to be Universal Windows Apps I'm really hoping this will kickstart Faithlife's efforts to make this a reality! See: http://gizmodo.com/microsoft-wants-to-port-everything-to-windows-1700952661

and

http://www.engadget.com/2015/04/29/android-ios-apps-on-windows-10/

Interesting. While it looks like it's still dependent on people creating a port of these apps, it would be nice if it encouraged developers to bring apps over. What's keeping me hesitant on getting a Surface right now is that a lot of the apps I use on my ancient tablet (DivineOffice, iMissal) don't seem to exist for Windows.

Jason Drake

Interesting. While it looks like it's still dependent on people creating a port of these apps, it would be nice if it encouraged developers to bring apps over. What's keeping me hesitant on getting a Surface right now is that a lot of the apps I use on my ancient tablet (DivineOffice, iMissal) don't seem to exist for Windows.

If this news doesn't encourage the developers I don't know what else will. Microsoft has really removed every barrier they could by allowing developers to use their existing Java/C++ (Android) or Objective C (iOS) code in order to create Windows Universal apps. Now by just making minor changes iOS and Android developers can hit all Windows 10 devices from Windows phones and small Windows tablets all the way up to full desktops. There are currently 1.5 billion Windows devices out there and if even 1/3 of them take the free upgrade to Windows 10 then this will be a huge market. I think the demand will be there because even if someone has an Android phone or iPhone and uses an app like Divine Office then they will certainly want to be able to use it from their Surface or Desktop PC too. And when I heard that the developers at King already used this approach a few months ago to (secretly) port their Candy Crush game from iOS to Windows then I realized this isn't just talk... it's already happening and working!

Jonathan Newton

Hi Bradley -

Microsoft has announced that for the Windows 10 ecosystem they are making available a set of developer tools that will make it far easier to port an iOS app to Windows.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/04/29/android-ios-apps-on-windows-10/

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/04/microsoft-brings-android-ios-apps-to-windows-10/

This would make it a lot easier to get the Universal Windows App for Logos. Have the Logos team looked at this development? It should make the expected development effort (and hence the cost for this Community Pricing) go way down.

Thanks!

-jonathan

Dan Francis

I have no pony in this race as I am a very content iOS user, that said I hope that it is relatively easy for FL to port it's programs. My fear is that some of these easy to port options require that very standard languages and protocols have been followed we know from past communications from FL that these are not an option because of the tools used to create Logos (that was back in Logos 5, but one might guess (fear) that the tools used may not be compatible). I truly wish Logos was available on every platform but in general it seems that the less popular platforms may have to exist with the Web APP, I have no used it but it may well be super in the end to our mobile APPs with the sad exception that it will likely leave you with no offline usage.

-Dan

Eric Bentz

Does anybody know how close to production we are for this app? I haven't heard anything since I bid on it months ago?

Any idea for a release date?

Kevin Byford (Faithlife)

Does anybody know how close to production we are for this app? I haven't heard anything since I bid on it months ago?

Any idea for a release date?

To quote Bradley at the beginning of this thread:

"If you'd like to indicate your interest in—and support for—a Universal Windows App for Logos Bible Software, place a bid on this new Community Pricing product: https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-app

Your bids—no matter what price—really help us know the number of customers who would like to see a Universal Windows App become a reality, so please spread the word."

Having a Universal Windows App on Community Pricing doesn't guarantee the app will be coded or released - it is meant to discover the level of customer interest.

John Kight

Does anybody know how close to production we are for this app? I haven't heard anything since I bid on it months ago?

Any idea for a release date?

From the looks of it you are probably better off getting a new device if mobile access to you Logos library is a priority.

Bohuslav Wojnar

OK, Windows 10 are here and it is about the time to come out with the Logos Universal Application... [:P]

JoshInRI

Are they waiting for Jesus to come back before offering the new Windows 10 Universal Application?

Millie Gagliano

This is so cool. I can't wait and I hope that this becomes a reality soon for WINDOWS PHONE USERS. So thank you. I shared the link on social media.

Bruce C

The idea of a Logos Windows Phone App has been out there for over 2 years now, and nothing has moved. It's obvious that the the folks at Logos and Faithlife have determined that the potential customer base doesn't justify its development. That's too bad. I really like the Windows Phone, but there's virtually nothing available for Bible study tools. As things stand currently, the best option for Windows Phone users is to use the Edge browser, and get on-line access to their Logos resources at biblia.com. At least, when you have internet connectivity you will also have access to some Bible study tools.

Jan Krohn

I've got my bid in, but I don't think it's gonna happen...

https://betanews.com/2016/07/29/windows-10-mobile-is-officially-dead/

Sean

Yeah, I just saw this:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/26/technology/bill-gates-android-phone/index.html

[quote]Bill Gates now uses an Android phone.

The billionaire Microsoft (MSFT, Tech30) founder told Fox News Sunday's Chris Wallace he recently switched to a mobile device that runs Google's Android software.

The company officially killed off its Windows Phone line and software in July, due largely to dwindling consumer interest and a lackluster app store. In the first quarter of 2017, Windows Phones' market share was 0.1%, according to a May report from market intelligence firm IDC.

I guess a Win App would still be useful for tablets, but mine sorta died so I bought a new laptop instead.... cancelling my bid.

Miroslav Balint-Feudvarski

Just make it happen!

You didn't ask anybody to support iPad or Android app.

Gordon Jones

Is there any need for a dedicated Universal Windows App now that app.logos.com exists and is being developed?

Bernhard

I think the need is to support touch more and to be able to use Logos much better without a keyboard. Seeing where things are going, I don't believe we need another app for that, but rather have that built into the normal Windows program.

I know there are some Windows tablets that might have trouble to run the full version at a good speed, but that should continue to get better. I personally do not understand, why so many of those tablets are sold with very little storage space (some even come with only 32 GB!). Those, of course, would depend on Logos adding support to select which books to download.

Both of these (better touch support and selective downloading) are probably among the most requested things on this forum. The web app helps with the storage problem, but only as long as one has an internet connection.

danwdoo

Logos would be best serving everyone (including themselves) by migrating the mobile apps and web app to a progressive web app, which serves both needs well and then they only have to focus on a single app that will be usable on all the major platforms, including Windows 10.

Dan Francis

Just make it happen!

You didn't ask anybody to support iPad or Android app.

October 2017, it was revealed that Microsoft had discontinued active development of Windows 10 Mobile due to its low market share and the lack of third-party development for the platform, and that the operating system will only receive patches and maintenance releases going forward.

With Microsoft all but calling it dead you might as well ask for Faithlife to make a Blackberry version. Creation of an app for a virtually unsupported platform makes little sense.

-dan

Bob Schaefer

A properly developed UWP app could support both Windows tablets (the primary market), phones (not so relevant anymore, due to developers like Faithlife treating the platform like a redheaded stepchild), and as an alternative on laptops and desktops to the full Logos application.

The unfortunate demise of Windows Phone does not make the request for a touch-friendly, storage-friendly Windows solution unreasonable.

Dan Francis

The unfortunate demise of Windows Phone does not make the request for a touch-friendly, storage-friendly Windows solution unreasonable.

Sorry for my ignorance in its importance for Touch compatibility for the full version, I had assumed wrongly this was aimed mostly at phone and previously RT version of the Surface.

-dan

Greg Forquer

I agree...a UWP with at least the same functionality as the iOS and Android apps would be a huge benefit to those of us that need to use Logos during church services and Sunday School, from a participant's perspective in both scenarios. It is annoying to have to use my tablet for taking notes, and my phone for looking up verses. I have tried having the web version of Logos open on my tablet, but it is not quick enough to look up verses being referenced, and is less than idea for lookups and searches of words, verses, etc.