Universal Windows App on Community Pricing

Please support this - as you will see if you read the entire page, the price is right.

This is what we have wanted.  Let's do this Windows and Windows Phone Fans!!!

Thanks for taking another step towards development.  With Windows 10 on the horizon, this should be a no brainer to develop.  I'd like to make Logos my go to mobile app, but at the moment it's not even close in functionality to other platforms.  I placed a bid to show my support.  Hopefully it won't take too long to reach the production goal.

How much space will the app require? Will it be like the Android/IOS app, not requiring the download of your complete library? That would make the app usable on Windows tablets that don't have enough free HDD space to install the Logos desktop app.

Other than supporting the Logos community, why would I want this new app as long as I am able  to run Logos satisfactorily with Windows 8.1 on my Vivo Tab Note 8 with 64 GB?

Now that is news I was really waiting for. Thank you Bradley. [Y]

Bradley:

Am I correct that the bidding process is just to judge interest, not to actually charge for a product?  The offer says the product will eventually be free - I assume this means for everyone, not just for those choosing to purchase after the product is released.  

I do hope that this product is created - and can be used alongside the installation of Logos 5 (or whatever) on my Windows 8.1 hybrid.  There are times I want a lighter, leaner reader and there are times I want all the power of the Logos 5 engine.  

Thank you for any additional information you can provide.

Floyd Johnson

Floyd Johnson said:

I do hope that this product is created - and can be used alongside the installation of Logos 5 (or whatever) on my Windows 8.1 hybrid.  There are times I want a lighter, leaner reader and there are times I want all the power of the Logos 5 engine.  

Floyd- I feel the same way about the need for a lightweight reader app on par with what Logos has available on Android and iOS. I love the full power of Logos when I'm doing research and heavy-duty studying... but I also like to work my way through a single book from my Logos library before going to sleep at night and this only makes sense on a smaller tablet with a lightweight reader app. I had been using my old Android tablet for this but it is effectively dead so I just bought an HP Stream 7" Windows tablet for $79 (including a year of Office 365 and 1 TB of OneDrive storage!). It does everything I the old Android tablet did (and more since I have full MS Office!) EXCEPT there is no Logos reader app. If Faithlife can develop this app then I will have absolutely no need for Android or iOS and that suits me just fine!

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) said:

If you'd like to indicate your interest in—and support for—a Universal Windows App for Logos Bible Software, place a bid on this new Community Pricing product: https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-app 

Your bids—no matter what price—really help us know the number of customers who would like to see a Universal Windows App become a reality, so please spread the word.

Bradley, just curious if you guys have tried approaching Microsoft for support? I wonder if they have any support (financial, training, etc.) to help port over existing code from your Android/iOS projects? They are working hard to close the "app gap" and have even created incentives for their employees to develop new apps on their own time through their Microsoft Garage project. It would be great if they could help you guys out in some way! Also I did see that there are lots of free courses related to creating Universal apps (and porting existing apps) on MSDN and Microsoft Virtual Academy. I'm keeping this project in my prayers because it really would be such a blessing for so many of us who love Logos! 

I will gladly pay that small price for functionality on my Windows Tablet.

Thanks!

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) said:

Floyd Johnson said:

Am I correct that the bidding process is just to judge interest, not to actually charge for a product?

If you bid, you will be charged if the product goes into production.

I am willing to pay without any hesitation for being able to use Logos on my Lumia 830.  

Bohuslav Wojnar said:

I am willing to pay without any hesitation for being able to use Logos on my Lumia 830.  

Exactly, they can charge me now if they want. [:D]

NB.Mick said:

Bohuslav,

there are still some screens in Logos that you can see only once (such as the library) which some people work around with a full-fledged duplicate install of Verbum or Noet - the new app could potentially help there. Or it could be the bridge to a full Logos 8/9/10 that runs on post-Win7 in all possible environments, including then-current Windows 12 desktops or so. 

You are right. Thank you for reminding that. [Y]

I've been an advocate for sometime for this to be offered as a community pricing project, so when I saw this I knew needed to keep my word. I was glad to bid!

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) said:

If you'd like to indicate your interest in—and support for—a Universal Windows App for Logos Bible Software, place a bid on this new Community Pricing product: https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-app 

Your bids—no matter what price—really help us know the number of customers who would like to see a Universal Windows App become a reality, so please spread the word.

I am in.

And I would like to thank Logos for making the effort to gage the interest in such an app.  As someone whose only computer is a Surface Pro 2, I am very interested.

[Y][^][<:o)]

Jason Drake said:

I also like to work my way through a single book from my Logos library before going to sleep at night and this only makes sense on a smaller tablet with a lightweight reader app. I had been using my old Android tablet for this but it is effectively dead so I just bought an HP Stream 7" Windows tablet for $79 (including a year of Office 365 and 1 TB of OneDrive storage!). It does everything I the old Android tablet did (and more since I have full MS Office!) EXCEPT there is no Logos reader app. If Faithlife can develop this app then I will have absolutely no need for Android or iOS and that suits me just fine!

Jason,

While you are waiting for that to happen a viable work around might be to install the Kindle app on your tablet and use the "send to Kindle" feature on Logos to send your book to the tablet.

As happy as I am that Faithlife is finally even considering developing a universal Windows app, I'm quickly getting discouraged. The community pricing chart has barely moved despite the excited posts here by Windows users.

I'm not sure community pricing is the right - or fair - way to gauge interest in this. The normal community pricing proposition is: "If you help us get this into production, we'll sell it to you for much less than its retail price. Everyone wins." But with the universal app, it's the opposite: "If you help us get this into production, you'll pay significantly more than everyone else, who will get it for free. But we'll give you a gift of some sort. Sucker."

Perhaps Faithlife intends to give us a huge credit toward books. That would be very nice. Or maybe we'll get a pack of Logos stickers in the mail. Not so great. Point is, Faithlife was intentionally vague about this, and it's not helpful.

Well. I'm in at $37 because I absolutely believe in this product. But how many casual users are going to jump in on this weird community pricing offer? For someone who might like this product, but doesn't desperately need it, all the incentives point to waiting it out. Why pay for something that will be given away eventually?

So all community pricing will do is gauge how many die-hard, must-have-it-at-any-cost true believers there are, and then put the burden of funding the development of the free app on those folks. I think just by reading these forums you could make a pretty good list of the people who will bid on this. And it's a much smaller list than the people who will happily use it once it's available.

I really wish Faithlife would simply commit to supporting Windows tablets and phones as first-class citizens, with millions upon millions of potential users who are/will be looking for Bible software on their devices. The community pricing move is starting to feel like one more shrug of the shoulders from Faithlife.

But I'm still in at $37. And I'll be in at $74 if they change the bidding scale. Because even if Faithlife doesn't believe this is important, I do.

I am very grateful for this. I can't wait to be able to use Logos on my phone and tablet. I'm all in. Just placed my bid.

Bob Schaefer said:

But I'm still in at $37. And I'll be in at $74 if they change the bidding scale. Because even if Faithlife doesn't believe this is important, I do.

Count me in [Y]

I have bid the max $37 also. And I am excited that Logos is finally at least thinking in creating an app for us Windows Phone and Tablet users. I remember looking at the replies from Logos employees in other Windows Phone forums and they were very discouraging. But as some of you have stated Logos needs to understand that not everyone who will use the app will bid or even know about the bid. Only reason I knew about the bid is because a couple of days ago I added the Faithlife Blog in my RSS reader in my windows phone. Most casual Logos users never even bother to read the blog or join the forum. So the users in the forums and blog are a very tiny percentage in my opinion.

But Logos also needs to understand that users who don't use Logos or even know what it is will install it when they look for a bible app in the windows app store. If Logos creates an awesome bible app they will truly become the most popular bible app on Windows Phone and Tablet since we lack a good high quality bible app in general. And that will lead to more sales of the Logos program because the app alone can be a marketing tool for people who have never even heard of Logos or Faithlife.

Simon said:

Could the scale be updated, to allow higher bids, please?

[Y]

Ray from Faithlife said:

Simon said:

Could the scale be updated, to allow higher bids, please?

Sure! I made an adjustment this morning.

Thank you [Y]