Universal Windows App on Community Pricing
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If you'd like to indicate your interest in—and support for—a Universal Windows App for Logos Bible Software, place a bid on this new Community Pricing product: https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-app
Your bids—no matter what price—really help us know the number of customers who would like to see a Universal Windows App become a reality, so please spread the word.
I am in.
And I would like to thank Logos for making the effort to gage the interest in such an app. As someone whose only computer is a Surface Pro 2, I am very interested.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley0 -
You all know that on Community Pricing, you bid the highest you are willing to pay not the going rate. As of yet I fail to see even a bump at the current rate.
Thanks MJ. I did not think about that. I just upped my bid.
In fact until a few minutes ago, I was unaware that input about this app was being sought, or the app was even being considered. I suspect that many are not aware. Those interested need to spread the word.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley0 -
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Faithlife Connect + several Base Packages + Luther's Works, etc.
Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga 260, Win 10 Pro, Intel Core i7-6500U, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, Intel HD Graphics 520.
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Those interested need to spread the word.
Almost all our family is Windows Phone oriented [:)] and we are looking forward to seeing this application available.
We need to keep this thread up as long as possible. I hope we will get enough sponsors.
Bohuslav
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I also like to work my way through a single book from my Logos library before going to sleep at night and this only makes sense on a smaller tablet with a lightweight reader app. I had been using my old Android tablet for this but it is effectively dead so I just bought an HP Stream 7" Windows tablet for $79 (including a year of Office 365 and 1 TB of OneDrive storage!). It does everything I the old Android tablet did (and more since I have full MS Office!) EXCEPT there is no Logos reader app. If Faithlife can develop this app then I will have absolutely no need for Android or iOS and that suits me just fine!
Jason,
While you are waiting for that to happen a viable work around might be to install the Kindle app on your tablet and use the "send to Kindle" feature on Logos to send your book to the tablet.
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Jason,
While you are waiting for that to happen a viable work around might be to install the Kindle app on your tablet and use the "send to Kindle" feature on Logos to send your book to the tablet.
Nord,
This sounds like a nice option. I have the Kindle app on my tablet already but I'm not familiar with how to use the Send to Kindle feature in Logos. How do you do that?
God bless,
Jason
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Hi Jason
I'm not familiar with how to use the Send to Kindle feature in Logos. How do you do that?
The Send to Kindle capability is described at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/92620.aspx
Does this give you what you need?
Graham
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Thanks Graham, I'll give it a try!0
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As happy as I am that Faithlife is finally even considering developing a universal Windows app, I'm quickly getting discouraged. The community pricing chart has barely moved despite the excited posts here by Windows users.
I'm not sure community pricing is the right - or fair - way to gauge interest in this. The normal community pricing proposition is: "If you help us get this into production, we'll sell it to you for much less than its retail price. Everyone wins." But with the universal app, it's the opposite: "If you help us get this into production, you'll pay significantly more than everyone else, who will get it for free. But we'll give you a gift of some sort. Sucker."
Perhaps Faithlife intends to give us a huge credit toward books. That would be very nice. Or maybe we'll get a pack of Logos stickers in the mail. Not so great. Point is, Faithlife was intentionally vague about this, and it's not helpful.
Well. I'm in at $37 because I absolutely believe in this product. But how many casual users are going to jump in on this weird community pricing offer? For someone who might like this product, but doesn't desperately need it, all the incentives point to waiting it out. Why pay for something that will be given away eventually?
So all community pricing will do is gauge how many die-hard, must-have-it-at-any-cost true believers there are, and then put the burden of funding the development of the free app on those folks. I think just by reading these forums you could make a pretty good list of the people who will bid on this. And it's a much smaller list than the people who will happily use it once it's available.
I really wish Faithlife would simply commit to supporting Windows tablets and phones as first-class citizens, with millions upon millions of potential users who are/will be looking for Bible software on their devices. The community pricing move is starting to feel like one more shrug of the shoulders from Faithlife.
But I'm still in at $37. And I'll be in at $74 if they change the bidding scale. Because even if Faithlife doesn't believe this is important, I do.
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I also put in the max amount hoping that the process would move forward rapidly. Alas, the community pricing scale has yet to budge. My question is how much will it cost to develop the app? I could be wrong, but I imagine that the community pricing scale is relative to the overall cost to develop the product. It would be fair to assume that the app will cost significantly more to develop than a standard book or the program would have been implemented long ago. It might take a good bit of time and bids to get anywhere with this. Thoughts?
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I am very grateful for this. I can't wait to be able to use Logos on my phone and tablet. I'm all in. Just placed my bid.
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Tablets are cool and all, but this will mean...wait for it...Logos on Xbox!!!! [;)] Well maybe some of the presentation features might be cool on a TV.
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But I'm still in at $37. And I'll be in at $74 if they change the bidding scale. Because even if Faithlife doesn't believe this is important, I do.
Count me in [Y]
Bohuslav
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Bob,
That's a very good and valid point that I hope the folks at Faithife take into account. Folks like us that are pledging our support are just the tip of the iceberg. For every one of us there are probably ten to twenty other folks that will install and use the app once available. I've also pledged the full $37 and absolutely don't mind doing so.. I just hope Faithlife doesn't think that only people who pledge are interested!
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I have bid the max $37 also. And I am excited that Logos is finally at least thinking in creating an app for us Windows Phone and Tablet users. I remember looking at the replies from Logos employees in other Windows Phone forums and they were very discouraging. But as some of you have stated Logos needs to understand that not everyone who will use the app will bid or even know about the bid. Only reason I knew about the bid is because a couple of days ago I added the Faithlife Blog in my RSS reader in my windows phone. Most casual Logos users never even bother to read the blog or join the forum. So the users in the forums and blog are a very tiny percentage in my opinion.
But Logos also needs to understand that users who don't use Logos or even know what it is will install it when they look for a bible app in the windows app store. If Logos creates an awesome bible app they will truly become the most popular bible app on Windows Phone and Tablet since we lack a good high quality bible app in general. And that will lead to more sales of the Logos program because the app alone can be a marketing tool for people who have never even heard of Logos or Faithlife.
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Could the scale be updated, to allow higher bids, please?
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Could the scale be updated, to allow higher bids, please?
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Bohuslav
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Could the scale be updated, to allow higher bids, please?
Sure! I made an adjustment this morning.
RD3
Logos Marketing | ray.deck@logos.com
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Could the scale be updated, to allow higher bids, please?
Sure! I made an adjustment this morning.
Thank you [Y]
Bohuslav
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OK, I'm now offering to pay $90 for an app Faithlife plans to give away. And my wife only raised her eyebrows slightly at me.
But after two weeks, the community pricing chart is essentially flatlined. I'd really like to know exactly how many thousands of dollars Faithlife is expecting Windows advocates to pony up before they're willing to develop this free app. The threshold seems to have been set so high we that we will never see a Universal app developed via community pricing. And that's because most people are unwilling to bid much money on something that will be 100% free the day it's published.
Community pricing is the wrong model for this. And it's going to lead to years of Windows users languishing away with false hope, while giving Faithlife cover to say, "See, didn't we tell you there was no market for this product?"
Really, of all of the tangential projects Logos has branched out into on its way to becoming Faithlife, is just publishing a decent Windows app such a ridiculous thing to ask?
I've put my money where my mouth is. And then more than doubled down. So Faithlife: Please, stop messing around and just get this done.
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Absolutely.
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With the big news from Microsoft's Build conference this week about Microsoft making it ridiculously easy to port not only Android but also iOS apps to be Universal Windows Apps I'm really hoping this will kickstart Faithlife's efforts to make this a reality! See: http://gizmodo.com/microsoft-wants-to-port-everything-to-windows-1700952661
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http://www.engadget.com/2015/04/29/android-ios-apps-on-windows-10/
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With the big news from Microsoft's Build conference this week about Microsoft making it ridiculously easy to port not only Android but also iOS apps to be Universal Windows Apps I'm really hoping this will kickstart Faithlife's efforts to make this a reality! See: http://gizmodo.com/microsoft-wants-to-port-everything-to-windows-1700952661
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http://www.engadget.com/2015/04/29/android-ios-apps-on-windows-10/
Interesting. While it looks like it's still dependent on people creating a port of these apps, it would be nice if it encouraged developers to bring apps over. What's keeping me hesitant on getting a Surface right now is that a lot of the apps I use on my ancient tablet (DivineOffice, iMissal) don't seem to exist for Windows.
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Interesting. While it looks like it's still dependent on people creating a port of these apps, it would be nice if it encouraged developers to bring apps over. What's keeping me hesitant on getting a Surface right now is that a lot of the apps I use on my ancient tablet (DivineOffice, iMissal) don't seem to exist for Windows.
If this news doesn't encourage the developers I don't know what else will. Microsoft has really removed every barrier they could by allowing developers to use their existing Java/C++ (Android) or Objective C (iOS) code in order to create Windows Universal apps. Now by just making minor changes iOS and Android developers can hit all Windows 10 devices from Windows phones and small Windows tablets all the way up to full desktops. There are currently 1.5 billion Windows devices out there and if even 1/3 of them take the free upgrade to Windows 10 then this will be a huge market. I think the demand will be there because even if someone has an Android phone or iPhone and uses an app like Divine Office then they will certainly want to be able to use it from their Surface or Desktop PC too. And when I heard that the developers at King already used this approach a few months ago to (secretly) port their Candy Crush game from iOS to Windows then I realized this isn't just talk... it's already happening and working!
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I'm hoping FL will take the plunge especially since I just bought the Surface 3
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Hi Bradley -
Microsoft has announced that for the Windows 10 ecosystem they are making available a set of developer tools that will make it far easier to port an iOS app to Windows.
http://www.engadget.com/2015/04/29/android-ios-apps-on-windows-10/
This would make it a lot easier to get the Universal Windows App for Logos. Have the Logos team looked at this development? It should make the expected development effort (and hence the cost for this Community Pricing) go way down.
Thanks!
-jonathan
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I have no pony in this race as I am a very content iOS user, that said I hope that it is relatively easy for FL to port it's programs. My fear is that some of these easy to port options require that very standard languages and protocols have been followed we know from past communications from FL that these are not an option because of the tools used to create Logos (that was back in Logos 5, but one might guess (fear) that the tools used may not be compatible). I truly wish Logos was available on every platform but in general it seems that the less popular platforms may have to exist with the Web APP, I have no used it but it may well be super in the end to our mobile APPs with the sad exception that it will likely leave you with no offline usage.
-Dan
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Does anybody know how close to production we are for this app? I haven't heard anything since I bid on it months ago?
Any idea for a release date?
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Does anybody know how close to production we are for this app? I haven't heard anything since I bid on it months ago?
Any idea for a release date?
To quote Bradley at the beginning of this thread:
"If you'd like to indicate your interest in—and support for—a Universal Windows App for Logos Bible Software, place a bid on this new Community Pricing product: https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-appYour bids—no matter what price—really help us know the number of customers who would like to see a Universal Windows App become a reality, so please spread the word."
Having a Universal Windows App on Community Pricing doesn't guarantee the app will be coded or released - it is meant to discover the level of customer interest.
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Does anybody know how close to production we are for this app? I haven't heard anything since I bid on it months ago?
Any idea for a release date?
From the looks of it you are probably better off getting a new device if mobile access to you Logos library is a priority.
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