Universal Windows App on Community Pricing
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Absolutely.
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With the big news from Microsoft's Build conference this week about Microsoft making it ridiculously easy to port not only Android but also iOS apps to be Universal Windows Apps I'm really hoping this will kickstart Faithlife's efforts to make this a reality! See: http://gizmodo.com/microsoft-wants-to-port-everything-to-windows-1700952661
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http://www.engadget.com/2015/04/29/android-ios-apps-on-windows-10/
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Jason Drake said:
With the big news from Microsoft's Build conference this week about Microsoft making it ridiculously easy to port not only Android but also iOS apps to be Universal Windows Apps I'm really hoping this will kickstart Faithlife's efforts to make this a reality! See: http://gizmodo.com/microsoft-wants-to-port-everything-to-windows-1700952661
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http://www.engadget.com/2015/04/29/android-ios-apps-on-windows-10/
Interesting. While it looks like it's still dependent on people creating a port of these apps, it would be nice if it encouraged developers to bring apps over. What's keeping me hesitant on getting a Surface right now is that a lot of the apps I use on my ancient tablet (DivineOffice, iMissal) don't seem to exist for Windows.
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David Wanat said:
Interesting. While it looks like it's still dependent on people creating a port of these apps, it would be nice if it encouraged developers to bring apps over. What's keeping me hesitant on getting a Surface right now is that a lot of the apps I use on my ancient tablet (DivineOffice, iMissal) don't seem to exist for Windows.
If this news doesn't encourage the developers I don't know what else will. Microsoft has really removed every barrier they could by allowing developers to use their existing Java/C++ (Android) or Objective C (iOS) code in order to create Windows Universal apps. Now by just making minor changes iOS and Android developers can hit all Windows 10 devices from Windows phones and small Windows tablets all the way up to full desktops. There are currently 1.5 billion Windows devices out there and if even 1/3 of them take the free upgrade to Windows 10 then this will be a huge market. I think the demand will be there because even if someone has an Android phone or iPhone and uses an app like Divine Office then they will certainly want to be able to use it from their Surface or Desktop PC too. And when I heard that the developers at King already used this approach a few months ago to (secretly) port their Candy Crush game from iOS to Windows then I realized this isn't just talk... it's already happening and working!
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I'm hoping FL will take the plunge especially since I just bought the Surface 3
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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Hi Bradley -
Microsoft has announced that for the Windows 10 ecosystem they are making available a set of developer tools that will make it far easier to port an iOS app to Windows.
http://www.engadget.com/2015/04/29/android-ios-apps-on-windows-10/
This would make it a lot easier to get the Universal Windows App for Logos. Have the Logos team looked at this development? It should make the expected development effort (and hence the cost for this Community Pricing) go way down.
Thanks!
-jonathan
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I have no pony in this race as I am a very content iOS user, that said I hope that it is relatively easy for FL to port it's programs. My fear is that some of these easy to port options require that very standard languages and protocols have been followed we know from past communications from FL that these are not an option because of the tools used to create Logos (that was back in Logos 5, but one might guess (fear) that the tools used may not be compatible). I truly wish Logos was available on every platform but in general it seems that the less popular platforms may have to exist with the Web APP, I have no used it but it may well be super in the end to our mobile APPs with the sad exception that it will likely leave you with no offline usage.
-Dan
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Does anybody know how close to production we are for this app? I haven't heard anything since I bid on it months ago?
Any idea for a release date?
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Eric Bentz said:
Does anybody know how close to production we are for this app? I haven't heard anything since I bid on it months ago?
Any idea for a release date?
To quote Bradley at the beginning of this thread:
"If you'd like to indicate your interest in—and support for—a Universal Windows App for Logos Bible Software, place a bid on this new Community Pricing product: https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-appYour bids—no matter what price—really help us know the number of customers who would like to see a Universal Windows App become a reality, so please spread the word."
Having a Universal Windows App on Community Pricing doesn't guarantee the app will be coded or released - it is meant to discover the level of customer interest.
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Eric Bentz said:
Does anybody know how close to production we are for this app? I haven't heard anything since I bid on it months ago?
Any idea for a release date?
From the looks of it you are probably better off getting a new device if mobile access to you Logos library is a priority.
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It's a catch 22. People won't buy devices without proper apps and people won't make proper apps because few people are buying these tablets.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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OK, Windows 10 are here and it is about the time to come out with the Logos Universal Application... [:P]
Bohuslav
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Are they waiting for Jesus to come back before offering the new Windows 10 Universal Application?
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Allow a higher bid to be put in, at this point I would be willing to pay more to get the app done. If we knew what the whole project would entail cost wise, perhaps we would be willing to do what is needed to get it done. Maybe we could put it on a payment plan or make it part of a subscription price to get the windows app.
Make the Original Windows APP as well as the IOS or Android code along with the Logos API's available and I would be happy to write my own program for myself.
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I agree completely!
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Someone help me understand the need for this app. If you have Logos on windows, and windows 10 is accessible on mobile devices...I would appreciate help in knowing the benefits of an app as opposed to the program. Thanks.
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Mark said:
Someone help me understand the need for this app. If you have Logos on windows, and windows 10 is accessible on mobile devices...I would appreciate help in knowing the benefits of an app as opposed to the program. Thanks.
A mobile app would work on less powerful machines that often have less storage as well. Think of a $100-$200 tablet, netbook, or even a phone. A mobile app would let you chose a subset of resources to install locally so you would not overload a 32GB or even a 64GB device. It would also hopefully be smaller and faster and while it might not offer every current feature, it would be designed for speed to work on the go when you might be in a situation where you want to quickly access a bible or resource. It would also hopefully be less dependent on having online access. Possibly, it might even be a great opportunity to clean up the code and get some real efficiency going.
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I've heard there were 15m devices upgraded to 10 thus far.
Guessing that means this program might gain some traction in the near future
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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abondservant said:
I've heard there were 15m devices upgraded to 10 thus far.
Guessing that means this program might gain some traction in the near futureThat statistic (14 million) was in the first 24 hours so it should be significantly higher now. I heard one recent rumored statistic as high as 67 million, but that hasn't been verified. The key thing will be how many tablets and smaller devices people start buying as well as how many traditional desktop/laptop users start purchasing apps from the store. A relatively small percentage did in 8, resulting in many developers such as Faithlife choosing to rely strictly on their existing desktop app. If the app store catches on in a big way, that will lead to an incentive for developers to publish more apps there. Let's hope that 10 accomplishes what 8 did not.
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The mobile app would be useful for small scale study where the whole library isn't necessarily needed. Also Windows has no Logos Reader app with lookup functionality or highlighting capabilities. With the reader app I would like the ability to do side by side reading note taking and commentary searching while using less processor and memory.
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People who own a Windows Phone need it because Logos 6 desktop WON'T run on it. That's an extremely small segment of the Logos isntall base given the lackluster performance of the prepub offering.
People who own a Windows tablet/laptop/computer with 32 or maybe even 64 GB of storage need it if they own a large libarary, like I do. I can't install it and the program runs very slowly from an SD card. Some don't mind the performance, I'm not one of those.
What I'd really like to see is a feature in the desktop software to install only the desire books, much like I can do on an iPad or Android device. That's apparantly too complicated a fix. Logos devs seem occupied with other things or maybe they're working on it and can't tell yet.
My preferred solution to all of the above plus a few other problems is a feature rich version of the Logos Web App that's also mobile friendly. That would fix most of the problems for people who can use it while online.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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Apologies if this shows my ignorance. But can biblia.com work? I wish it would stop being in beta as it seems to be a way to at least access resources from a phone if there is no app. Has this been abandoned in a perpetual beta? I do not know the popularity of windows phones or tablets, but I am saddened to hear that L6 wont run on it.
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I see there is now a "Faithlife News" app for iOS. It gathers headlines from various Christian news feeds. This is apparently a greater priority for Faithlife than a Windows universal app. And you can bet they didn't ask potential Faithlife News users to cough up $90 to demonstrate their commitment to this important new app.
Seriously, who was even asking for such a thing?
I'm tired of Faithlife. I want Logos back. Logos made Bible software.
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I just started to use Logos on Lenovo Yoga 2 tablet and, yes, Logos works fine, I have used all the tricks advised here on forums to install it. I use junction to get all my resources (more than 5000) to the SD card etc. All works well enough I can imagine I will use it (especially when with keyboard, since Logos 6 is not touch-friendly at all)
But... my conclusion is, we still need Windows Universal App. to just do all the simple things we usually do on tablets (look-up Bible reference, plain book reading...)
I don't mind Faithlife doing all kind of little apps for iOS. I don't mind all of this is done (possibly) without all the interest research among the customers. What I don't understand is that in the situation Microsoft went so far to make it as easy to re-use the iOS/Android code as possible, Faithlife would still not produce Universal App for all the traditional Logos users (yes, traditional. I remember those days without iOS, OSX etc. Logos versions).
If not for a tiny Windows Phone/Windows Mobile market, do it for all the Windows Tablet users, not just Surface 3 pro, but all the low end 8" tablets with Windows 10 OS.
Bohuslav
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Tablet sales are in decline (including the iPad) and have been for several quarters. The area of growth is now, and is predicted to continue to be, in 2-in-1 hybrids. (http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/3077817) The problem is Logos generally runs poor to just okay on such devices, which are typically smaller and lesser-powered than traditional laptops/desktops. Even on my main laptop, Logos is slow enough to get up and running that I often use alternative apps for quick verse lookups. This is clearly a problem for Logos and they could find themselves 'having missed the boat' without a valid, workable product in this arena. Web apps aren't the answer, either as too many of these products are Wi-Fi only.
My own example is just one example of where a Windows app would compliment the desktop app in cases where speed is most important. Logos posted about future changes to make the desktop version more touch friendly, and while this will be appreciated on such premium devices as the Surface Pro, it does nothing to answer the need of Logos on lesser hardware (which is the majority) and when speed is the primary need.
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danwdoo said:
Tablet sales are in decline (including the iPad) and have been for several quarters. The area of growth is now, and is predicted to continue to be, in 2-in-1 hybrids. (http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/3077817) The problem is Logos generally runs poor to just okay on such devices, which are typically smaller and lesser-powered than traditional laptops/desktops. Even on my main laptop, Logos is slow enough to get up and running that I often use alternative apps for quick verse lookups. This is clearly a problem for Logos and they could find themselves 'having missed the boat' without a valid, workable product in this arena. Web apps aren't the answer, either as too many of these products are Wi-Fi only.
My own example is just one example of where a Windows app would compliment the desktop app in cases where speed is most important. Logos posted about future changes to make the desktop version more touch friendly, and while this will be appreciated on such premium devices as the Surface Pro, it does nothing to answer the need of Logos on lesser hardware (which is the majority) and when speed is the primary need.
You said it exactly as it is. Thanks. [Y]
Bohuslav
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Bob Schaefer said:
I see there is now a "Faithlife News" app for iOS. It gathers headlines from various Christian news feeds. This is apparently a greater priority for Faithlife than a Windows universal app. And you can bet they didn't ask potential Faithlife News users to cough up $90 to demonstrate their commitment to this important new app.
Seriously, who was even asking for such a thing?
I'm tired of Faithlife. I want Logos back. Logos made Bible software.
And also a Social/Dating app called Bible Chat...
Dan
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-releases-project-islandwood-guide,30678.html
Islandwood should make this relatively easy.
If games like Candy Crush can be ported over using this tool I would think it would be possible for nearly any application.
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Mark Groen said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-releases-project-islandwood-guide,30678.html
Islandwood should make this relatively easy.
If games like Candy Crush can be ported over using this tool I would think it would be possible for nearly any application.
Thank you for that information. Time to try this tools with Logos iOS app. I am really anxious to hear the results.
Bohuslav
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I for one would love to see this come true. I was a windows mobile fan and Pocket PC before that but when Logos came out with the IOS app I made the transition to IOS and love the app for reading my books. I so badly want to replace my Ipad and computer with the Surface pro 4 or Surface book but really need the app for reading to make this transition possible. Logos 6 is great for powerful studies but rather awful to try to just read a book on. Logos on IOS is great for reading books on but not for powerful study.
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This is so cool. I can't wait and I hope that this becomes a reality soon for WINDOWS PHONE USERS. So thank you. I shared the link on social media.
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The idea of a Logos Windows Phone App has been out there for over 2 years now, and nothing has moved. It's obvious that the the folks at Logos and Faithlife have determined that the potential customer base doesn't justify its development. That's too bad. I really like the Windows Phone, but there's virtually nothing available for Bible study tools. As things stand currently, the best option for Windows Phone users is to use the Edge browser, and get on-line access to their Logos resources at biblia.com. At least, when you have internet connectivity you will also have access to some Bible study tools.
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I've got my bid in, but I don't think it's gonna happen...
https://betanews.com/2016/07/29/windows-10-mobile-is-officially-dead/
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Yeah, I just saw this:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/26/technology/bill-gates-android-phone/index.html
[quote]Bill Gates now uses an Android phone.
The billionaire Microsoft (MSFT, Tech30) founder told Fox News Sunday's Chris Wallace he recently switched to a mobile device that runs Google's Android software.
The company officially killed off its Windows Phone line and software in July, due largely to dwindling consumer interest and a lackluster app store. In the first quarter of 2017, Windows Phones' market share was 0.1%, according to a May report from market intelligence firm IDC.
I guess a Win App would still be useful for tablets, but mine sorta died so I bought a new laptop instead.... cancelling my bid.
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Just make it happen!
You didn't ask anybody to support iPad or Android app.
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Is there any need for a dedicated Universal Windows App now that app.logos.com exists and is being developed?
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I think the need is to support touch more and to be able to use Logos much better without a keyboard. Seeing where things are going, I don't believe we need another app for that, but rather have that built into the normal Windows program.
I know there are some Windows tablets that might have trouble to run the full version at a good speed, but that should continue to get better. I personally do not understand, why so many of those tablets are sold with very little storage space (some even come with only 32 GB!). Those, of course, would depend on Logos adding support to select which books to download.
Both of these (better touch support and selective downloading) are probably among the most requested things on this forum. The web app helps with the storage problem, but only as long as one has an internet connection.
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Logos would be best serving everyone (including themselves) by migrating the mobile apps and web app to a progressive web app, which serves both needs well and then they only have to focus on a single app that will be usable on all the major platforms, including Windows 10.
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Just make it happen!
You didn't ask anybody to support iPad or Android app.
October 2017, it was revealed that Microsoft had discontinued active development of Windows 10 Mobile due to its low market share and the lack of third-party development for the platform, and that the operating system will only receive patches and maintenance releases going forward.
With Microsoft all but calling it dead you might as well ask for Faithlife to make a Blackberry version. Creation of an app for a virtually unsupported platform makes little sense.
-dan
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danwdoo said:
migrating the mobile apps and web app to a progressive web app
You may be right here, but I hope not, as many of us need a non-web dependant option due to poor connectivity.
-dan
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A properly developed UWP app could support both Windows tablets (the primary market), phones (not so relevant anymore, due to developers like Faithlife treating the platform like a redheaded stepchild), and as an alternative on laptops and desktops to the full Logos application.
The unfortunate demise of Windows Phone does not make the request for a touch-friendly, storage-friendly Windows solution unreasonable.
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Bob Schaefer said:
The unfortunate demise of Windows Phone does not make the request for a touch-friendly, storage-friendly Windows solution unreasonable.
Sorry for my ignorance in its importance for Touch compatibility for the full version, I had assumed wrongly this was aimed mostly at phone and previously RT version of the Surface.
-dan
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Don't be fooled by the name. Progressive web apps can actually offer great offline functionality and run across multiple platforms. They have great potential moving forward.
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danwdoo said:
Progressive web apps can actually offer great offline functionality and run across multiple platforms. They have great potential moving forward.
Wikipedia has => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_web_app and Google development has => https://developers.google.com/web/progressive-web-apps/
Concur with potential; suspect Faithlife developers are already familiar with Google development.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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I agree...a UWP with at least the same functionality as the iOS and Android apps would be a huge benefit to those of us that need to use Logos during church services and Sunday School, from a participant's perspective in both scenarios. It is annoying to have to use my tablet for taking notes, and my phone for looking up verses. I have tried having the web version of Logos open on my tablet, but it is not quick enough to look up verses being referenced, and is less than idea for lookups and searches of words, verses, etc.
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