I'm back and still on the topic of the quarterly lesson books

This time I am pushing the issue with regards to 4 publishers representing Methodists, UCC, Baptist and Church of Christ. See https://community.logos.com/forums/p/104845/724879.aspx#724879 . I want to draw your attention to this as I have also brought it to the attention of Bob and Verbum and I want your group to have a voice in any particular needs you might have. As you can see Logos has nearly all the required pieces so its primarily a matter of convincing Logos it would be useful and convincing churches and publishers to encourage the possibility as one approach for some of the members/users.

EDIT: I intend, as I did last winter, that the SDA materials be integrated into the same functionality ... sample were shared in the winter based on SDA materials.

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David Ames

The problem with ‘standard lessons’ is the details of doctrine. Three words that I could find that separate the Seventh-day Adventists and the rest of the world would be: the Sabbath, Predestination and the understanding of Hell. One of the oldest SDA Collages is in South Lancaster Massachusetts – the Atlantic Union Collage. It lost its accreditation by the State of Massachusetts because the state thought that its endowment funds were too low. Then when AUC found a Christion Accreditation Organization that liked what ALC was doing the deal fell apart because of the differences between SDA church doctrine and the Organization’s doctrine over the doctrine of Hell.

I have seen other ‘standard’ Christion lessons [have not reviewed the ones pointed to]. They are good but they lack the details that make one denomination stand out from all the others.

Lynden O. Williams

David you forgot Spirit of Prophecy and Sanctuary.

Lynden O. Williams

By the way, Martin has said that he will try to get the lessons lisenced for Logos. Maybe we pay a annual subscription for the for set.

They are probably printing the third quarter and finalizing the fourth quarter.

MJ. Smith

David, I in no way intended to imply that the Uniform Lessons were appropriate for SDA although your concerns are unnecessary as the Uniform Lessons are generated by a variety of denominations. I suggested several additional denominations' materials to Faithlife to extend their coverage. What I intended to say is that the SDA material follows the same basic formatting as the Uniform Lesson material and could use the same functions in Logos. Therefore, it followed that some SDA users might wish to have input should Faithlife wish to proceed in this direction. It is, in effect, the continuation of a conversation in this forum about using lectionaries to provide the daily reading schedule and links for denominational Bible study lessons.

BTW the Uniform Lessons project which is more than 140 years old provides themes and readings but is specifically dependent upon a variety of denominations to put their "spin" on it to make it appropriate for use in their context. Some large congregations create their own materials from it and I am aware of denominational versions for one or more subdivisions of Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Christian/Disciples of Christ, Restoration Movement, Moravians, Mennonites and at least one other Anabaptist group, UCC. I also know by languages of material in English, Spanish and Korean. Since Faithlife already carries four denominational versions, this seemed like the obvious market to use as an example.

Martin Weber

Thanks for thinking of SDAs, MJ. Like Lynden, I do hope we can get our weekly lessons into Faithlife/Logos in some form.

MJ. Smith

I do hope we can get our weekly lessons into Faithlife/Logos in some form.

As do I, and hopefully in a way that can be leveraged for many groups.

David Ames

Whoops, Did not mean to step on your toes. I very much appreciate your work on lectionaries [or as defined elsewhere ‘lectionary reading lists’]

The SDA Sabbath School did a study on Proverbs last quarter, Jan – Mar 2015. The first lesson Jan 2015 used Prov 1-3, Gen 1:1, Exod 19:16, Exod 20:20, Prov 11:30, 13:12 and 15:4

The prior time they did a study on Proverbs was Oct – Dec 2000. The first lesson from Oct 2000 used Prov 1:1-7, 2:10-11, Prov 4:5-7, Prov 2:1-6, James 1:5, Prov 2:7-10, 21:3 and Prov 2:1-9 The readings used were very different.

Not sure how your work on lectionaries would apply.

Lynden Williams is possibly a better source. The general topics seem to repeat every five years but the next study on the topic would not be the same lesson. It most likely would use a different book of the Bible to cover that topic.

MJ. Smith

Oh, I didn't feel stepped on - only felt I hadn't made myself clear.

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/90926/632554.aspx gives an example of how it would fit. I don't know enough about the referencing structure to know how to bring the EGW materials in although I am sure that is doable. However, that is precisely the type of denominational knowledge that SDA people need to make sure is accommodated. I can see the overarching common pattern but not the denominational details.

The view from 10,000 feet:

lesson materials are printed and known in advance
these materials have a predictable pattern of scriptures(s) - the lesson, background, key memory etc. so that scripture references can be meaningfully tagged with role
this means that for each lesson a table of readings for a particular date can be built.
there may be related readings through the week to be read at home; these readings also have particular dates associated with them

For a given day therefore:

it is possible to identify particular passages to be read on that date
these passages may be from the Bible, frequently with a specific translation requested
these passages may be from outside the Bible, especially denominational materials
these passages may be the lesson material itself
therefore a layout with the lectionary (table of dates and readings), the appropriate Bible(s) and denominational materials, the lesson itself supplemented by optional commentary, bible dictionary, notes area can convert a mobile device into everything a student needs to keep up with their group study.
in addition, teacher/leader material is sometimes more extensive but can be delivered in the same way. However, teacher prep is more likely to include desktop or laptop app.

Note: the absolute requirements for an individual are very inexpensive if a mobile is already owned. It allows the younger generation to use the tablets et. al. with which they are comfortable while requiring no change on the part of those put off by technology.

I don't care if Faithlife develops this capability around ISSL, SDA, Catholic or Jewish lessons. I just want to get the ability into the hands of the "Sunday School teacher", "religious ed teacher", "faith formation teacher" ....

David Ames

They are probably printing the third quarter and finalizing the fourth quarter.

This was posted in the middle of the second quarter. My guess is that they are already preparing the third quarter for shipping - shipping will start next week, Printing the Fourth Quarter now and proofing a sample print run of the first quarter of next year. Evidence: There is a six month delay from the time one changes their order to the time that the changes takes place and that the lessons start arriving during the first week of the last month in a quarter so that the next quarter lessons can be handed out before the end of this quarter.