New Jerusalem Bible with Complete study notes
New Jerusalem Bible with Complete study notes
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Thanks for the reminder.
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Dan Francis said:
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You guys are wearing me down! Every time I see this, it gets more difficult not to preorder. [:P]
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Average Joe said:Dan Francis said:
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You guys are wearing me down! Every time I see this, it gets more difficult not to preorder.
Sorry about that ... we are just excited to see that it's coming. Unfortunately, not fast enough. [:S]
Even though the translation is updated from the original 1966 Jerusalem Bible, the notes are well worth the modest price.
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Steve said:
Sorry about that ... we are just excited to see that it's coming. Unfortunately, not fast enough.
Even though the translation is updated from the original 1966 Jerusalem Bible, the notes are well worth the modest price.
It's okay. I preordered it now. [:D]
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Average Joe said:Steve said:
Sorry about that ... we are just excited to see that it's coming. Unfortunately, not fast enough.
Even though the translation is updated from the original 1966 Jerusalem Bible, the notes are well worth the modest price.
It's okay. I preordered it now.
Thanks for helping. [Y]
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I thank you too... every little bit helps I am just amazed there hasn't been more traction, I suppose it is partly because most people have the translation already but for me the notes are as important as the translation and does amount to a fairly in depth one volume commentary.
-Dan
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Dan Francis said:
I thank you too... every little bit helps I am just amazed there hasn't been more traction, I suppose it is partly because most people have the translation already but for me the notes are as important as the translation and does amount to a fairly in depth one volume commentary.
-Dan
It works for me because I don't have the NJB at all yet. It's not part of any base package and I haven't gotten around to picking it up. To get the translation and the notes is a pretty good deal. I hope it makes it out of pre-pub soon.
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I already have the Bible, but I agree that the price is worth it for the notes. I have pre-ordered my copy as well. Looks to be about halfway to the production point.
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I know there is a link to the other page up top but i thought I would provide the same from the other thread to give people a feel for what is in the notes compared to the rudimentary notes found in the readers edition.
Many of you may well have the readers edition of NJB in your Libraries but to give you an idea for those of you not familiar with it. Imagine the NIV Study Bible was published first and the the translation was excised out of it with the bare minimal notes.
This is the full text:
1 At many moments in the past and by many means, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets; 2 but in our time, the final days, a he has spoken to us in the person of his Son, b whom he appointed heir of all things c and through whom he made the ages. d 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and bears the impress of God’s own being, e sustaining all things by his powerful command; and now that he has purged sins away, he has taken his seat at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high. 4 So he is now as far above the angels as the title which he has inherited is higher than their own name.
a. In the fullness of time, Mk 1:15; Ga 4:4c, the last times or the last days begin, Ac 2:17; 1 P 1:20.
b. After the prophets, God sends an envoy who is no longer a mere messenger like the others; he is ‘Son’, cf. Mk 12:2-6; Rm 1:4c, he is even the Word, Jn 1:1a, 14m.
c. To be a son implies having the right to inherit, cf. Mt 21:38, Ga 4:7. Here, however, God is credited with the handing over of the whole creation because the inheritance in question is messianic and eschatological.
d. Hebraism for the whole of creation.
e. These two metaphors are borrowed from the sophia and logos theologies of Alexandria, Ws 7:25-26; they express both the identity of nature between Father and Son, and the distinction of persons. The Son is the brightness, the light shining from its source, which is the bright glory, see Ex 24:16f, of the Father (‘Light from Light’). He is also the replica, see Col 1:15d, of the Father’s substance, like an exact impression made by a seal on clay or wax, cf. Jn 14:9.This is what the readers version we currently own in Logos provides:
1 At many moments in the past and by many means, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets; but 2 in our time, the final days, he has spoken to us in the person of his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things and through whom he made the ages. 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and bears the impress of God’s own being, * sustaining all things by his powerful command; and now that he has purged sins away, he has taken his seat at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high. 4So he is now as far above the angels as the title which he has inherited is higher than their own name.
* cf. Ws 7:25–26.
The New Jerusalem Bible (New York: Doubleday, 1985), Heb 1:1–4.
This is an invaluable work that every scholar of the Bible should want in their library. For $15.99 it is one of the greatest bargains you will find in the Logos world. Please consider ordering it to help bring this work in it's fullness to Logos.
-Dan
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Everybody is speaking about the notes but nobody mentions the references attached to the verses in the left or right margin. (See in the Print Edition snapshot.) These references lead you to other parts of the Bible which are in some way closely or loosely related to the original verse. It's a unique feature of the New Jerusalem Bible. It's just like the web in the internet. You can start from one verse and jump to one of it's references and from that you can go further.
Will this edition contain these references too, or it will contain only the (foot)Notes?
Laszlo
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Welcome to the forums, Laszio. [:)]
You may also be interested in the New American Bible which also has this feature, although they are printed at the bottom in hardcopy editions they are hyper-linked in the Logos/Verbum edition. And yes, it is a very helpful feature. The referenced information to other parts of scripture in the NABRE in many cases is identical to the subject bible translation.
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I would be very interest too if they are included... I would guess yes... but I am speculating... I hope a Logos individual can answer us for sure soon...
-Dan
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Sadly another product, which like the Catechism, is unavailable to anyone outside the US and Canada.
I hope it soon becomes another great resource for you.
Jeff
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It is a very sad thing since I believe the greater demand for this product might be outside of North America.... That said I can't believe it has not reached production levels yet, this is such an important work and generally it has had a wider interest than just catholics. Hey don't get me wrong I am very happy to have the NJB readers edition, but it is sort of like a hamburger without the bun and toppings yes you have the core but what is missing really makes the complete package so much better.
-Dan
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Written by an Englishman, yet not available in England or Europe, what a surprise....!
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KEEP PUSHING!
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Time for a big push and get this one over the line
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that something being crossing the line!
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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BUMP... We need a lot of movement to get this fine work into Logos.
Four reasons to get the NJB complete.
1) The NJB is quite simply a literary masterpiece. It communicates the Bible in a way that is hard to explain I remember one protestant minster telling me back in the early 90's that it was the most accurate translation since the KJV... Now one can take that statement as you will, but the truth of the matter is the quality of the translation and poetic stylings make this a work that speaks to ones soul. Without the notes you are left with singing and no music. The notes explain things give valuable references.
2) The notes indeed the entire project was done primarily by scholars living in the Holy Land at the École Bibliotech living there offers them insights that can easily be missed by those from away.
3)This work is widely respected not only by Roman Catholics but also many protestant bodies and even in non-religious circles as a good Bible to study and use for reference.
4)While used by many it is written from a catholic perspective although very little dogma ever makes it into the notes, the authors took seriously the wider canon and refer to it. For example quite often Paul's virtual quoting of the wisdom of solomon is over looked. The NJB notes do make note of this... That is not to try to say Paul believed Wis. to be scripture but it is nice to see where some of his quotations are coming from.
The lack of this full edition in Logos feels much like an orchestra missing a violin. Logos functions well without it but there is definitely something missing, please consider getting it, it may be the best $16 you have spent to expand the breadth of your logos library. If you are protestant if gives you a solid look into catholic scholarship, if you are RC is gives you one of the finest study Bibles the Catholic Church has ever produced. Thank you for your time and please have a blessed advent season.
-Dan
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Dan Francis said:
BUMP... We need a lot of movement to get this fine work into Logos.
Four reasons to get the NJB complete.
1) The NJB is quite simply a literary masterpiece. It communicates the Bible in a way that is hard to explain I remember one protestant minster telling me back in the early 90's that it was the most accurate translation since the KJV... Now one can take that statement as you will, but the truth of the matter is the quality of the translation and poetic stylings make this a work that speaks to ones soul. Without the notes you are left with singing and no music. The notes explain things give valuable references.
2) The notes indeed the entire project was done primarily by scholars living in the Holy Land at the École Bibliotech living there offers them insights that can easily be missed by those from away.
3)This work is widely respected not only by Roman Catholics but also many protestant bodies and even in non-religious circles as a good Bible to study and use for reference.
4)While used by many it is written from a catholic perspective although very little dogma ever makes it into the notes, the authors took seriously the wider canon and refer to it. For example quite often Paul's virtual quoting of the wisdom of solomon is over looked. The NJB notes do make note of this... That is not to try to say Paul believed Wis. to be scripture but it is nice to see where some of his quotations are coming from.
The lack of this full edition in Logos feels much like an orchestra missing a violin. Logos functions well without it but there is definitely something missing, please consider getting it, it may be the best $16 you have spent to expand the breadth of your logos library. If you are protestant if gives you a solid look into catholic scholarship, if you are RC is gives you one of the finest study Bibles the Catholic Church has ever produced. Thank you for your time and please have a blessed advent season.
-Dan
⇧⇧⇧ What Dan said! ⇧⇧⇧
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Maybe should try prayer? My prayers normally fail, but might be worth trying? [:)]
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Well, P A, NJB w/Notes is probably the only Bible prepub that's pretty mainstream, still out there.
https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=bible&Status=Pre-Pub&Resource+Type=Bibles
Now, horserace-wise, the Orthodox is pulling ahead. But it has the advantage of decent pricing. And oddly, Jefferson's already in the printshop, and missing bunches of verses. Indeed, the irony is that pretty unquotable Bibles are having better luck, than NJB /Notes.
I think NJB /Notes is in an impossible position. Can't raise the price, or the needed price will be higher than the eventual sell-price. So, it's pretty much waiting for the pre-pubber-cutter's axe.
I notice, too, the Korean, South African and Russian may run into similar issues (pre-pub price vs demand).
In addition to NJB /Notes, I'm curious about the New Cambridge (with original notes), and the 'Family 35' (I wonder if that one had special Holy Spirit help, but nobody knew).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
... I think NJB /Notes is in an impossible position.
Yikes .... Are you trying to cheer us up this year ... perhaps next?
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Happy New Year[<:o)]
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Bump, the sequel!
Paul
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You holding out is keeping this from going to publication!
Just kidding! [:)]
I preordered this a little more than a year ago, and the progress has been agonizingly slow. [8-|]
Happy New Year, and many blessings!
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Now it looks like the red bar is 65%. A month ago it was 62%. With this speed it ill take 11 months to the start of "under construction".
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I cannot understand why Faithlife doesn't simply include this very important academic bible resource in its program? If Logos/Verbum is supposed to be the premier biblical study tool, it needs to have this resource available for purchase. It makes total sense from a Marketing positioning perspective.
We shouldn't have to beg to see this resource included in the product for sale. IMHO.
Agape,
Steve
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It would likely be helpful for people who particularly want this Bible to take the time to make good arguments of real length as to why fellow customers should order it.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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SineNomine said:
It would likely be helpful for people who particularly want this Bible to take the time to make good arguments of real length as to why fellow customers should order it.
I believe that Dan made an eloquent argument for its inclusion in the Logos/Verbum earlier in this thread.
Agape,
Steve
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Any Logos users in Vatican? I assume they could help this for the international user community, then we could easily get the bar growing?
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Stephen Terlizzi said:
I believe that Dan made an eloquent argument for its inclusion in the Logos/Verbum earlier in this thread.
Yes. But more would not hurt, especially since for the last while this thread has mostly consisted of Bumps and suchlike.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Veli Voipio said:
Now it looks like the red bar is 65%. A month ago it was 62%. With this speed it ill take 11 months to the start of "under construction".
The above statement was written 10th January. Now I calculated the bar is at 67.5%. Slowing down - needs 13 months more [sn]
Any progress in global availability?
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This bible will not be available to international customers. I'm not sure why Logos would waste time on building a resource that can only be used by selected privileged customers. There is far more important resources that should be considered instead of this bible.
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Veli Voipio said:Veli Voipio said:
Now it looks like the red bar is 65%. A month ago it was 62%. With this speed it ill take 11 months to the start of "under construction".
The above statement was written 10th January. Now I calculated the bar is at 67.5%. Slowing down - needs 13 months more
Any progress in global availability?
FL needs to pursue international licensing for this resource if they are not already doing so behind the scenes.
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This bible will not be available to international customers. I'm not sure why Logos would waste time on building a resource that can only be used by selected privileged customers. There is far more important resources that should be considered instead of this bible.
Right or wrong FL largest customer base is within North America and they have done this in the past, also in the past international rights has occasionally been obtained afterwards so to imply it will never benefit those international customers is not necessarily the case.
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New year - it is time to try to get this for the global customer base.
Time is on our side: new decisionmakers might be there, and negotiations could succeed with them
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