Linux version of Logos Bible Software
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Let's get a Linux version. What's support has Mac got that Linux doesn't? I'm sure if it can run on mac you can make it run on Linux.
Just target Linux Mint, the current top distro.
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Debian 12 Bookworm. Currently CrossOver Preview 20240913 but until 2 months ago it was regular CrossOver always up to date. It has been happening for every major update since Logos 29. Doesn't seem to happen on minor (point release updates).
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I think the issue here will be that none of us who are working on this has used crossover. The release notes for the preview version seem to require sign in on the website. My guess is you are going to need a version of crossover which uses a newer version of wine. As far as I understand it, which isn't much, crossover is downstream from wine, similar to proton but with additional patches. That means sometimes crossover will do something first but sometimes it will get a fix later. In this case, I guess the fix hasn't reached crossover yet.
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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BTW It is crossover devs who have often helped us with wine patching so perhaps it is something for us to consider more. We like them!
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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CrossOver Preview is advertised as "bleeding edge". It is easy to see by the version number it is not bleeding edge. I actually went to Preview because of this issue hoping that it would fix it.
If you want I would be happy to help liaise with CrossOver devs on this as I am the person who posts about CrossOver the most.
Do you remember what version of WINE it was fixed in? If I have a baseline I can let them know.
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I've been running v. 39 for a week now. It's been mostly good. ;-) Getting updates is an issue, though…
While running v. 25 I'd get regular update notices, both for program updates and new resources. I could download the updates, but only the resources would be applied; the program never actually updated. I was OK with that. With v. 39, every time I try to 'download updates' it crashes. I can't even change Settings to 'download automatically' without it crashing. Maybe this is a known issue; maybe it's just affecting me. I thought I'd mention it to see. It would be nice to be able to download and use new resources. ;-)
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Bug you describe is and is fixed in the latest installer version 4.0.0-beta.7
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Awesome! Updated to beta7 and 'updating' is working. Thanks!
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I found out that CrossOver Preview doesn't auto update and that I have to download the installer and install it manually. Regular CrossOver auto updates if preferences are set to do it.
Anyway I found out I was 3 versions behind so I updated yesterday and now CrossOver Preview is 20241220 which as far as I can tell is equivalent to WINE 10rc5. I will see how the next major update of Logos goes and hopefully the mass deletion of library items is fixed.
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I would expect that to work… I'm sorry I had a period of less involvement while moving house etc so I can't remember which version resolved updates. Probably it could be tracked in the github issues?
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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Hi,
Yvan, here.
Knowing it’s not of my business, but, still, wanting to help, I found this. Does it help you, Michael ?
God bless.
Yvan
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Sorry, Michael,
To be more accurate, and to the point, Taylor thought this problem was solved with Wine 9.12+. Don’t know which version of CrossOver it would be ?
God bless.
Yvan
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Or Ubuntu where Mint is based, that would widen the audience even more. If it works on one it'll work on the other.
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Or Debian which they are both derived from from and which the vast majority of distros are derived from. If you just target Mint or Ubuntu you may get stuck with Canonical specific packages that Debian, and others, do not use so you are limiting the audience. The real issue is though that recoding Logos so it can work on Linux natively would be extremely difficult.
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The real issue is though that recoding Logos so it can work on Linux natively would be extremely difficult.
I don't think Logos has any intention of recoding anything. It is written in a cross-platform language to use a single code base. The problems on Linux as I understand them are that dependencies are not updated for linux as quickly as they are on major platforms like Windows and MacOS.
Another problem would be distribution. As there are multiple forks of Linux which have become major players themselves, each one spawning numerous distros based on them, and each one having different package managers.
I would like Logos to run on a very lightweight distro that I could run in a virtual machine … and in fact, the VM itself could be distributed already configured. Assuming Logos would allow it.
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You're not far off. They could use Flatpak (I do not like snap at all) which would allow dependencies to be contained, and updates as Logos needs them. It would also standardize the distribution, and not require a specific virtualization platform (i.e. KVM, Virtualbox, XEN, etc. etc.) some of which can be daunting to a regular user. Most all the "technical" hindrances can be overcome, I've told people this for years, as that's one of the things that makes Linux desktops so great, we're not limited in options.
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Anyone else seeing Oddities just using the "Ou dedetai" install? I tried adding that to Steam and it just crashed and wouldn't restart (something I probably did).
but, I've noted the "Layouts" option won't open after a couple of menu opens, no matter how much you double click.Also, How do you get winetricks to install a browser or something into that image? I can't get Logos to open any web link from within the app itself, sometimes I can copy them, but most times (like the help videos, etc.) they won't open at all. I installed it for my wife, and that's when I really noticed the problem. Otherwise, between the Web Version and this, I've been able to remove Windows entirely from my laptop (yay for that).
(Sorry about some spelling issues, after spinal surgery using my left hand can be a challenge).
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but, I've noted the "Layouts" option won't open after a couple of menu opens, no matter how much you double click.
We like to call that "The Menu Bug" expand and/or collapse the left navbar to click again. We don't know why that happens.
Also, How do you get winetricks to install a browser or something into that image?
The wineprefix is located in ~/LogosBible10/data/wine64_bottle.
If you happened to have a firefox windows installer downloaded (shown below as ~/Downloads/FirefoxInstaller.exe), you could do something like:
export WINEPREFIX=~/LogosBible10/data/wine64_bottle/ ~/LogosBible10/data/bin/wine64 msiexec /i ~/Downloads/FirefoxInstaller.exe
(Sorry about some spelling issues, after spinal surgery using my left hand can be a challenge).
I didn't notice, hope you're recovering well!
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I didn't notice, hope you're recovering well!
Yes, but it's still a challenge to do some things. Like rebuild your laptop after Windblows crashes and get Logos running again. Logos was the only reason I still had that mess running. hehe. But, it's doing well enough.
Thanks for the command line. I'll have to dig into that.0 -
The problem I'm running into is that they all fail.. They act like (Logos as well) at times like they can't access the internet. I'm having to manually download new books, which it will do, but auto download, etc. keep turning themselves off.
Firefox and brave browsers both crash and burn.
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I finally found a little time to install Kubuntu on an old laptop. I always did straight installs and never used the installers, so I decided to give it a chance this time.
Well done to all who have been working on the installer project - everything worked well.
I did run into the issue that my Library will not download and the program crashes each time I try to download. I'll play with it a little more this coming weekend - but may just go the old route of backing up the Data, Documents and User folders and copying them over to the Linux install to try it out.
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Logos on Kubuntu 24.10 using the ou dedetai install works great for the most part, I just have to manually do the Logos updates, and downloads of new books. I've found the filters in the Library that should tell me if I'm missing any, so no worries there.
I did experience some fall overs early on, but this latest installer and versions of Logos otherwise run well enough that I felt comfy removing windows altogether. So, I share Frank Sauer's sentiment on this being Well Done!
I'm happy I can run it on Linux along with the Web versions and Bible research and Study is much easier and portable.
So, Thank You for the installer!!Oh, and Nathan Shaaban the collapse menu and reopen trick works, thanks for that tip as well. The command line for opening winetricks works with some caveat:
export WINEPREFIX=~/LogosBible10/data/wine64_bottle/ ~/LogosBible10/data/bin/wine64 winetricks
had to be changed to my actual home directory path instead of the "~/", for that to work. And, firefox complains about missing CRYPTO and some other library (which is why it's installer crashes), and Brave just says it can't access the internet and dies. But, we'll live. :D
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I can't get Logos to open any web link from within the app itself, sometimes I can copy them, but most times (like the help videos, etc.) they won't open at all.
Sorry I didn't try the simple answer first; I just tried clicking a link from Logos, and it opened in my Linux install of Firefox! Not sure why it's not working for you. Do you have a browser installed on the host? And do clicking links in applications like terminal open in it?
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I did run into the issue that my Library will not download and the program crashes each time I try to download.
What installer version are you using? We recently fixed a bug like that. Try the latest version if you aren't already. You don't need to reinstall, just update the installer then launch again.
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I don't understand the instruction "expand and/or collapse the left navbar to click again" / "the collapse menu and reopen trick works". What am I supposed to collapse to overcome the "Menu Bug"? And how? Thanks for any help!
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There is a little ">" symbol in the lower left part of the logos screen. Clicking there will expand or collapse the menu. Doing so will overcome the "Menu Bug", for the moment, allowing you to do what you need to do.
The blue hand-drawn arrow points to it on this screenshot:
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Thanks for that, Douglas. I have "Application Toolbar Location" set to "Top", so I don't have that arrow… Oh well, I don't have to select different 'Layouts' very often, so I should be OK. Good to know more about the workaround, though, if I ever need it. <thumbs up>
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Hey Nathan,
I was using V4 Beta 8 - I downloaded Beta 7 and it seems to be working. Beta 8 installed quite quickly in comparison, so I wonder if it was incomplete, where Beta took longer to install.
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Frank,
We made changes in beta 8 that drastically speed up the installation process. There is one known bug with beta 8 that we discovered after release that can cause some installation problems. You could try running from source if you want to have the latest.
Beta 9 will largely involve us squashing bugs and doing further refactoring and refining.
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AppImage is the way to go.
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