Personnel changes at Faithlife
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Faithlife don't use OpenSSL - they're on a Windows stack.
Oh the irony
#App-lessWindowsPhoneUser
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Great question! That is my main concern as well. I know that you can still run the program offline but what IF Faithlife were to fail, would I be able to ever install it again on a new computer or even my current one? Those are questions I would like answered to my satisfaction before I invest a lot more money into this software.Bootjack said:Again, pardon my ignorance, but if things were ever to go pads up at Logos, or is it now just Faithlife, does this mean what I presently have purchased / the program itself, is not going to work at all or as well?
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William M. Harper said:
would I be able to ever install it again on a new computer or even my current one?
Method 1 at https://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers shows a way to install the software on an offline computer - which is similar (equivalent?) to the scenario you are considering.
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William M. Harper said: would I be able to ever install it again on a new computer or even my current one?
If Faithlife closed down, then we'd eventually lose access to our books unless:
- We backed up the entire installation, including the licence file.
- Or, another company bought out the assets and maintained the licence servers, etc.
- Or, users worked out how to hack the licence file.
I am 99% certain that Faithlife won't close down, 99.99% certain that if the do another company would maintain the service, and 99.99999% certain that if that didn't happen then users would work something out.
There's been plenty of discussion about this over the years, particularly here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/121491/795581.aspx#795581
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Mark Barnes said:
I am 99% certain that Faithlife won't close down, 99.99% certain that if the do another company would maintain the service, and 99.99999% certain that if that didn't happen then users would work something out.
I am not sure we wouldn't have interruptions and who knows what direction things might take after that but even Bob said worse case scenario someone will get a bargain at bankruptcy. Logos has decent software numerous contracts for distribution and an extremely significant customer base. I am not sure who would buy it but I know it might be a pretty prize for Hapercollins, i know they own OT now but combining their top notch mobile apps with Logos desktop apps might be a marriage made in heaven. But that said Bob has stated on several occasions the company is in no financial trouble. I hope this is the truth, if not there is not much us users can do about it.
-Dan
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Somewhere, someone has said ...
“For this reason I say to you, do not be worried about your life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life? And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. “But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith! Do not worry then, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear for clothing?’ “For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."
Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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Has Faithlife bought out Logos or is this another name for the same company. Also JRS, thanks for the heads up, but this same thing in principal was said about Biblesoft. At least with them, one could (and has) the program still on disk.
It appears to me, we can't even have (since we've paid for this already) the program on disk to install again should things go into meltdown. Maybe no need to worry but for those of us who have poured thousands of dollars into this, we should at least have the option of having this program on disk. I realize everyone's program might be a bit different but hey, give us the option at least of buying it on disk without having to mortgage the house!??!
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Bootjack said:
Has Faithlife bought out Logos or is this another name for the same company. Also JRS, thanks for the heads up, but this same thing in principal was said about Biblesoft. At least with them, one could (and has) the program still on disk.
Logos changed it;s name to faithlife because it offers a secondary Bible Program and church presentation software, as well as Noet philosophy humanities software.
-Dan
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Mark Barnes said:
William M. Harper said:
would I be able to ever install it again on a new computer or even my current one?
If Faithlife closed down, then we'd eventually lose access to our books unless:
- We backed up the entire installation, including the licence file.
- Or, another company bought out the assets and maintained the licence servers, etc.
- Or, users worked out how to hack the licence file.
I am 99% certain that Faithlife won't close down, 99.99% certain that if the do another company would maintain the service, and 99.99999% certain that if that didn't happen then users would work something out.
There's been plenty of discussion about this over the years, particularly here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/121491/795581.aspx#795581
Mark
What is the process for backing up all the files- I have a stand alone HD 1 terabyte- plenty to store L6 (or 7, 8, 9 or even 10 if I live long enough) and all its files on.
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I thought Logos 6 now "phones home" to get licensing info? If that's true, and if Faithlife the company exists no more, our software wouldn't be able to call home to validate licensing info. The program might still function but we won't have access to any of our resources.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm normally not concerned about the viability of Faithlife as a company. But if some of the comments on Glassdoor is indeed true - that it is internally a poorly managed company, that many employees view FL as a stepping-stone for their careers and thus the company is unable to retain good talent long-term, then I'm really concerned.
And thinking back on the various botched / amateur instances of new product rollout (e.g. Logos 4), server meltdowns, out-of-control over-zealous marketing / sales pushes, inability to complete or stick with projects (think how many attempts the company has had for a web-based version of its software), false starts (Faithlife Dating Service), I have to believe that some of these allegations might hold some truth.
So for the first time since Logos 1, I'm worried about the long-term vitality of the company.
Peter
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PL said:
The program might still function but we won't have access to any of our resources.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
You can test this by ensuring your computer is disconnected from the Internet and starting Logos. It will run fine and you will have access to your resources - you won't (obviously) have access to features which require an Internet connection
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PL said:
I thought Logos 6 now "phones home" to get licensing info? If that's true, and if Faithlife the company exists no more, our software wouldn't be able to call home to validate licensing info. The program might still function but we won't have access to any of our resources.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm normally not concerned about the viability of Faithlife as a company. But if some of the comments on Glassdoor is indeed true - that it is internally a poorly managed company, that many employees view FL as a stepping-stone for their careers and thus the company is unable to retain good talent long-term, then I'm really concerned.
And thinking back on the various botched / amateur instances of new product rollout (e.g. Logos 4), server meltdowns, out-of-control over-zealous marketing / sales pushes, inability to complete or stick with projects (think how many attempts the company has had for a web-based version of its software), false starts (Faithlife Dating Service), I have to believe that some of these allegations might hold some truth.
So for the first time since Logos 1, I'm worried about the long-term vitality of the company.
Peter
The books are encrypted with a key that's on your hard drive.
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
What is the process for backing up all the files- I have a stand alone HD 1 terabyte- plenty to store L6 (or 7, 8, 9 or even 10 if I live long enough) and all its files on.
Just backup the entire Logos folder in %localappdata% (it may be called Logos4, Logos5 or Verbum).
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PL said:
I'm normally not concerned about the viability of Faithlife as a company. But if some of the comments on Glassdoor is indeed true - that it is internally a poorly managed company, that many employees view FL as a stepping-stone for their careers and thus the company is unable to retain good talent long-term, then I'm really concerned.
When evaluating the comments, look at the department that people are from, and whether they're a current employee or a former employee. You'll notice that the majority of comments that are negative about management are in the marketing/sales department, which suggests that if there is a problem, it's largely restricted to that one area.
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PL said:
I thought Logos 6 now "phones home" to get licensing info? If that's true, and if Faithlife the company exists no more, our software wouldn't be able to call home to validate licensing info. The program might still function but we won't have access to any of our resources.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
If you back up your entire installing (including the licence file), you should be able to continue to work without phoning home.
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Theodore Roosevelt said:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
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beliefnet said:
God, we pray for all those who have suddenly lost employment. There are many. We ask you to first give them peace and a settled confidence. Their natural response is to shock and then fear, and to begin questioning their abilities, the past accomplishments and their future prospects. Give them your encouragement today, and do so through surprising ways, both directly from your Spirit and through other people who come across their path. Build them up, as this situation has torn them down. Remind them of past victories, and awaken new dreams for their future. Give them – today – divine appointments with people who may be key in opening a new future for them. Give them hope; lighten their step; lift the anxiety from their body; give them sleep and an unexpected joy. God, you intend us to have a purposeful life. You give us work assignments to accomplish because you designed us to help you create and sustain your creation. We are not made for idleness or sloth. We need meaningful work. So for all those who have lost a job, today bring them one step closer to a new direction. Show them any areas in their own character that need to change in order for their destiny to be realized. Then give them the wisdom and power to make those changes, by your Spirit. Today is a new day with new possibilities. Let nothing stand in the way of your purposes in the lives of those who, without your assistance, cannot find their next course. We pray this in Jesus…
Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/prayerplainandsimple/2010/03/a-prayer-for-anyone-facing-a-job-layoff.html#wpR50TjQWmaTM24y.99"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
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MJ. Smith said:
My advice ... ignore most of the thread because most of it is speculation not knowledge. And since we don't have the facts to see what is going on, we can scarcely say we've seen it before although we may have seen something that bore distinct similarities from the perspective of a user without knowledge of the innards of the company.
"Where there's smoke, there's fire" or, the beginning of one.
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Charles McNeil said:
"Where there's smoke, there's fire" or, the beginning of one.
But where there is the illusion of smoke, there may be no fire ...[:P]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I wonder if the people that lost their job would so cavalierly describe their situation as "an illusion".
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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William M. Harper said:
Great question! That is my main concern as well. I know that you can still run the program offline but what IF Faithlife were to fail, would I be able to ever install it again on a new computer or even my current one? Those are questions I would like answered to my satisfaction before I invest a lot more money into this software.
I, too, am not a "fanboy" of Faithlife, but I believe Bob and the leadership love FL as much as you love using the Logos products. I also, believe Bob would do right by its customers and the company reputation. Independent of Bob and all the current employees, the Logos Bible Software is a good product. Bob would be less than wise to let such a good thing slip between his fingers. In a remotest, chance of failure a wise businessman would snap it up before it hits the ground.
Remember, Christian users, "...God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind." You have nothing to fear for the future of Logos Bible Software, lest you forget, how Faithlife took care of its customers in the past. Ask questions, be inquisitive, but don't worry, Logos is a quality product. Its practicality speaks for itself. No Fear!
The New King James Version. (1982). (2 Ti 1:7). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
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Charles McNeil said:
Is it possible for us to discuss this collection elsewhere finding it possibly that it lacks quality, to explain why it's not doing well?
MJ. Smith said:Charles McNeil said:finding it possibly that it lacks quality,
I was a subscriber to the series from the first volume to 80-something when I became to busy to read them. I assure you that quality is not the issue. I suspect that it is the makeup of the user base as the original target market has little overlap with Logos.
New discussion started Paulist Press Classics of Western Spirituality Bundle (126 vols.
"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
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Charles McNeil said:
Please unpack this statement.
The original advertising for the series was describing it as an answer for those who were turning to the East for religious meaning and emphasizing that the values of mediation, self-knowledge, overcoming of self-deception, non-attachment, direct experience of union with the divine ... were also present in the West. Think what skeptics would call hippie fascination with the perennial philosophy. Given that there is no pressure on Logos to offer McGinn's The Presence of God: A History of Western Christian Mysticism, that Islam is panned without recognition of the Sufi contributions to Christian theology esp. Gregory Palamas, ... I could add a number of similar examples ... lead me to believe that "hippie fascination with the perennial philosophy" and "Logos users" have little overlap.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
lead me to believe that "hippie fascination with the perennial philosophy" and "Logos users" have little overlap.
Concisely stated, Thanks.
Yet, you say this set has value. What and to whom?
Why FL invested so much with so little interest?
Do you think a big discount could generate new sells to recoup monies spent?
New thread started Paulist Press Classics of Western Spirituality Bundle (126 vols.)
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Mark, you mention backing up %localappdata% ... I cannot find this on my system. Also, you mention backing up the license file.
Can you add a bit to what you're saying, e.g. how to actually back up the system should Faithlife go pads up & our computer(s) burst into a ball of flame at the same time. (Hopefully a hyperbole)
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Charles McNeil said:
"Where there's smoke, there's fire" or, the beginning of one.
Wow. Just wow. I think Faithlife's patience in dealing with thread alone shows a level of integrity that should be all the assurance we need.
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Charles McNeil said:
Yet, you say this set has value. What and to whom?
To all Christians and to all people who take religion seriously. Beyond that I would have to cross the line of not speaking of theology in the forums. Reading McGinn for Christian history outside the standard Church histories would be the best means of you finding the answer. Reading "The Way of the Pilgrim" might also answer the question - much more cheaply and quickly. Or others may step in and give an answer without "putting their foot in it as I would."
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Bootjack said:
Mark, you mention backing up %localappdata% ... I cannot find this on my system. Also, you mention backing up the license file.
Can you add a bit to what you're saying, e.g. how to actually back up the system should Faithlife go pads up & our computer(s) burst into a ball of flame at the same time. (Hopefully a hyperbole)
In Windows, if you type %localappdata% into the Start Menu, and Press 'Enter', it will open a folder something like this: C:\Users\mark\AppData\Local
Within that folder, there'll be a folder called Logos (or Logos4, Logos5 or Verbum). That's the folder you should be backing up if you want absolute belt and braces.
It's up to you how you do it. You could just copy the folder periodically. But you should already be using software to back up your important data — simply add the folder to that software. If you're not already using software, CrashPlan is generally regarded as one of the best, and it's what I've been using for the last five years. You can back up locally, or to a remote friend for free, or pay $5/month for unlimited online backup.
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danwdoo said:
Wow. Just wow. I think Faithlife's patience in dealing with <this> thread alone shows a level of integrity that should be all the assurance we need.
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"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
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Understood Mark. Thank you for the pointer and also for mentioning this program "CrashPlan." Honestly, I've not heard of it before. I have everything backed, well, almost everything. I've even backed the two Logos folders up but that's a long ways back. With the need not being there (in my mind) because we simply download it again if something goes awry, I never thought too much about it. I guess that will change abruptly.
Also danwdoo, as to Faithlife's patience, I'd fear that much more if they happened to lock down this thread or delete it. Personally, I don't think it's off base to mention concerns when we hear about layoffs, especially before we know all the facts. So no, I really cannot say I'm "wowed" ... to end on a more positive note though, I can say I am more than impressed overall with the Logos program & the helps on this forum!!! :-)
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JAL said:danwdoo said:
Wow. Just wow. I think Faithlife's patience in dealing with <this> thread alone shows a level of integrity that should be all the assurance we need.
If I were Bob, I would be wanting to scream
"Which words don't you understand in 'I would love to explain to you in detail why you don't need to worry about the company.'? "
As he explained there, whatever he stated would be misunderstood by someone. Frankly I get the impression that some members of the forums WANT Logos to fail so that they could say "See, we told you". Come on guys, we all really want Logos to grow and develop. Lets give Bob a break and support him by taking him a his word.
OK lets take regular backups of the logos folder then shut up and enjoy life & Logos. There is so much to be thankful for.
It almost reminds me of some church congregations that I can think of that seemed determined to 'get the minister' because he was not massaging their egos enough. Mob mentality. In one church I know, they actually got the minister out and were rewarded by a far worse one. [:D]
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Kowabunga!!! I'm glad you got that off our chest JohnB. Now you can sit back and have a moment of "what's it all about?" :-}
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JohnB said:
If I were Bob, I would be wanting to scream
"Which words don't you understand in 'I would love to explain to you in detail why you don't need to worry about the company.'? "
As he explained there, whatever he stated would be misunderstood by someone. Frankly I get the impression that some members of the forums WANT Logos to fail so that they could say "See, we told you". Come on guys, we all really want Logos to grow and develop. Lets give Bob a break and support him by taking him a his word.
Well said [Y]
Kinda reminds me of Chicken Little in Elementary School reading class.
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JohnB said:JAL said:danwdoo said:
Wow. Just wow. I think Faithlife's patience in dealing with <this> thread alone shows a level of integrity that should be all the assurance we need.
If I were Bob, I would be wanting to scream
"Which words don't you understand in 'I would love to explain to you in detail why you don't need to worry about the company.'? "
As he explained there, whatever he stated would be misunderstood by someone. Frankly I get the impression that some members of the forums WANT Logos to fail so that they could say "See, we told you". Come on guys, we all really want Logos to grow and develop. Lets give Bob a break and support him by taking him a his word.
OK lets take regular backups of the logos folder then shut up and enjoy life & Logos. There is so much to be thankful for.
It almost reminds me of some church congregations that I can think of that seemed determined to 'get the minister' because he was not massaging their egos enough. Mob mentality. In one church I know, they actually got the minister out and were rewarded by a far worse one.
There is a big difference between "wanting them to fail, just so we can say 'told ya so'" and honest concern. I don't know where you are as far as investment in FL, and really its not my concern, but as for myself I have a "substantial" investment.
I do not take that lightly, I work hard for my $$, the Lord yes, has been very gracious with my employment, but at the same time I purchased Logos for the first time when I barely made 16K a year (1995), I have done better over the years, been laid 4 or 5 times, bought a very large library, piece meal and by package. Having said that I have also bought numerous starter, Gold, Silver and Language libraries for pastors and missionaries, who have on their own built up those libraries (which Dave Kaplan was a good secret partner in) so its just not a personal concern.
I am concerned they succeed, thats why the questions for me- it also involves close to 20 people I have invested in as well, and they continue to get the resources they need, and feel secure in the direction of the company.
So I for one disagree with your assessment, we as investors in the product have a right to ask, and express concerns, atta boys, and questions. At the same time I DO NOT EXPECT Bob to divulge every little aspect of the company, but to "honestly" answer concerns, which he has done to this point, I accepted that early in this thread after having my say regarding the matter, and let him know his explanation was fine for the time being.
Everyone have a good day, God bless.
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This thread seems to have become a free-for-all so here is another post....
Faithlife does not sell financial assets. Far from it, to be clear the purchases I make from Faithlife are expenses. The resources I acquire, licenses to use intellectual property, when making a purchase do not grow in economic value as time passes.
Maintaining the personal IT infrastructure to support using the resources is also expensive. This is a great concern of mine.
I am unsettled whenever it becomes more expensive to use my Faithlife libraries. Yes I maintain two libraries - currently for me a justifiable expense, but one that would be un-necessary if certain requested library management features would be added.
The time I spend using the resources is an investment of a different kind which has the potential to produce profound dividends but is unlikely to ever bear directly upon my finances.
Back to the original topic of this thread - please pray for the former and present employees of Faithlife. https://community.logos.com/forums/p/121491/797025.aspx#797025
"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
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JAL said:
"Faithlife does not sell financial assets. Far from it, to be clear the purchases I make from Faithlife are expenses."
No one believes that they are purchasing FL assessts- but every dime we have spent enables them to maintain and produce further resources, so in a way we do have a vested interest in how they perform and how they conduct buisness- I and I know others view their libraries and the puchase of those libraries as a investment, in FL.
That investment in these libraries is only as good as FL continues to maintain a profitable buisness structure. If, and I do maintain the "if" they fail its a direct impact on us. So regardless how anyone views FL, Bob, layoffs, etc. they become a concern, no one wants them to fail, but their success also has to do with "sales" a perception whether true or not, can directly impact those sales and their overall buisness model.
Q: "The time I spend using the resources is an investment of a different kind which has the potential to produce profound dividends but is unlikely to ever bear directly upon my finances."
re: I hope your right but if for some reason they did close and you lost access to books and license- I would imagine you would not be a happy camper. Hope reality doesn't come a knocking.
And by the way the layoffs were just one aspect of the original post. I have great sorrow for them, its a tough job climate right now- I am currently unemployed for the exact same reason layoff- some buisnesses are doing well, others are not. Walmart is the latest example, the oil fields have been shuting down for 2 yrs here in the US, a lot of men out of work, just to name a couple.
Like FL, I am cutting my expenditures FL is just one of them, watching every dime while I search for another position, even when I return to work I'll have to be very careful with purchases. Meaning I may not make any for a while. I have already begun deleting prepubs and CP items, you do what you have to do.
Just saying.
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Whyndell, a good solid response!!! Well put and I'd say quite timely!!!
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
I hope your right but if for some reason they did close and you lost access to books and license- I would imagine you would not be a happy camper. Hope reality doesn't come a knocking.
I am not concerned about suddenly and unexpectedly losing access to my libraries because I know it will not happen. I have prudently ensured and confirmed this - apart from initial resource acquisition my use case does not include reliance on the Faithlife corporate IT infrastructure. Independent from my own planning I accept as reality based Bob's assessment of the viability of my stake even after an unexpected demise of Fathlife.
The sudden and unexpected loss of employment is in my experience life changing. Reality is knocking and entreating me to pray for the laid off employees, the current employees and the management at Faithlife, and for the community in Bellingham.
Whyndell Grizzard said:I have great sorrow for them, its a tough job climate right now- I am currently unemployed for the exact same reason layoff
I pray for your situation too.
sincerely,
J. A. Lawson
"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
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To the laid off workers of Faithlife, who are they? Can we put a face to these people? Who are they (young, middle age, level of education, skills, willing to relocate, married, single, home owners, etc.)?
If the numbers (60+) are accurate (being thrown around of laid-off workers from Faithlife), is it possible this group people can form their own company? Their collective profiles will determine the nature of the new company. Hey, if the new business is not in direct competition with Logos software, Faithlife could provide them with some of the “seed” monies to get started with no strings attached. Consider it a collective parting gift. Since Bob said that they are neighbors, friends, fellow-worshippers, etc. This will not be a “handout”, but a “leg up.” “A friend in need, is a friend, indeed.” Helping the former employees of Faithlife establish a business will not be a spin-off or the baby of Faithlife. “Give a man a fish, he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he will eat for a lifetime”, without Faithlife.
Telling a laid-off worker you’re praying for them, is one thing, but giving them an opportunity for continued employment is another. What I am suggesting is tangible, reasonable, and Christian. If Bob, wants to be the CEO of the century (21st), increase the probability of what I am suggesting and honor his former employees’ faith (in God) and help them with life. God is not going to work a miracle for anyone when there are things he/she can do or within his/her grasp. McNeil
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Charles McNeil said:
To the laid off workers of Faithlife, who are they? Can we put a face to these people? Who are they (young, middle age, level of education, skills, willing to relocate, married, single, home owners, etc.)?
I expect Faithlife to honor their privacy and not talk about them.
Charles McNeil said:Faithlife could provide them with some of the “seed” monies to get started with no strings attached.
The whole purpose of the lay-off is to save money. I like to think Faithlife gave those laid-off some severance package. But that is none of our business either.
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Charles McNeil said:
If the numbers (60+) are accurate (being thrown around of laid-off workers from Faithlife), is it possible this group people can form their own company? Their collective profiles will determine the nature of the new company. Hey, if the new business is not in direct competition with Logos software, Faithlife could provide them with some of the “seed” monies to get started with no strings attached. Consider it a collective parting gift.
Nice idea, but I suspect that the new 60-person company would have a quarterly burn rate of $2-2.5 million dollars with no product to sell. Also, most of the employees are likely to be sales/marketing types and not engineers - just the opposite of what is needed in year one. Lastly, I doubt Faithlife would just part with their savings from the layoffs with no strings attached. They would probably want 20-30% ownership stake and the newco's business plan would need to be strategic to Faithlife. Also, if Faithlife did not want to invest internally in the ideas, I doubt they would invest externally...it is not like they have a public P&L to worry about like a Cisco.
IMHO.
Agape,
Steve
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Charles McNeil said:
Who are they (young, middle age, level of education, skills, willing to relocate, married, single, home owners, etc.)?
Respecting their privacy is important. From what I have heard the layoffs included a wide range including a few who had been with Logos for about 20 years. We do not know what type of non-disclosure agreements people have and all I can say is I hope they got decent references.
-Dan
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Come on, folks! If the 60+ number is in the ball park, there must be 60+ stories with many different "sides" to EACH. Of course we pray for each and all. But there must have been some among the 60+ for whom the layoff simply formalized the fact their employment had been a mistake in the first place. Am I the only one who has found myself in a "mismatch"? This then l leaves 59+ other reasons for termination, some good, some not so good, some just plain un"fortunate", but all we may pray providential in the sweep of eternity.
I'm truly surprised so many of us think we can provide business/management "solutions" to a problem we can't even define!
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Mark Barnes said:
CrashPlan is generally regarded as one of the best, and it's what I've been using for the last five years.
Hi Mark, how does Crashplan cope with backing up a large (several GB) Logos index.idx file to cloud backup, since the file is updated quite regularly (sometimes a few times a week if not more)? I know about its block mode backup, does this only update the changes to the file resulting in small file updates and lower internet bandwidth required?
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Anyone who has taken the time to read Bob's book will understand how the company operates. They are very entrepreneurial and take a lot of risks and anyone who works for them should probably know this. It is unfortunate that so many were laid off but it was probably just a matter of time.
Director of Zoeproject
www.zoeproject.com
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John Duffy said:
Hi Mark, how does Crashplan cope with backing up a large (several GB) Logos index.idx file to cloud backup, since the file is updated quite regularly (sometimes a few times a week if not more)? I know about its block mode backup, does this only update the changes to the file resulting in small file updates and lower internet bandwidth required?
That's correct. CrashPlan only uploads those parts of a file that have changed. From their FAQ:
After initial backup of the file is complete, only new or changed information is sent when the file is backed up.
When CrashPlan scans a file, it knows that the file changed and the progress bar runs through the file as if the information is new. But as it goes, it discovers the information hasn't actually changed and only transmits the new information to the backup destination.
For the technically savvy: CrashPlan does incremental deltas by block within the file.
Speaking personally, I only backup my Logos installation locally (using CrashPlan), but I do backup 120Gb+ of MySQL tables online, and CrashPlan uploads changes to those extremely quickly. If I wanted to backup Logos online, I'm quite sure CrashPlan would handle it very smoothly, even with a regularly updating index.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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I wish the data backup posts had their own thread rather than being buried in this one.
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