Retiring the Send-to-Kindle Feature on 3/31
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See this article for a partial explanation:
http://goodereader.com/blog/e-book-news/amazon-disables-send-to-kindle-on-rival-bookstores
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Floyd Johnson said:
See this article for a partial explanation:
http://goodereader.com/blog/e-book-news/amazon-disables-send-to-kindle-on-rival-bookstores
That puts a different complexion on things...
There's an even more detailed explanation here: http://the-digital-reader.com/2015/06/15/baen-books-reveals-amazons-byzantine-policies-on-kindle-email-delivery/
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Mark Barnes said:Floyd Johnson said:
See this article for a partial explanation:
http://goodereader.com/blog/e-book-news/amazon-disables-send-to-kindle-on-rival-bookstores
That puts a different complexion on things...
There's an even more detailed explanation here: http://the-digital-reader.com/2015/06/15/baen-books-reveals-amazons-byzantine-policies-on-kindle-email-delivery/
The solution would be to send us the documents via email directly... Except that would be potentially wrought with fraud... So no good either. [:s]
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alabama24 said:
The solution would be to send us the documents via email directly... Except that would be potentially wrought with fraud... So no good either.
That's not materially different than how it works now. They send the file directly to Amazon, but then through the Amazon Cloud Drive, you can get access to the .mobi and download it any time. I just tested it with the most recent book I sent to Kindle from Logos, and I was able to download and open the .mobi in Calibre just fine.
It does have the disclaimer at the top of the book: "For the personal use of William Gabriel (<logos email address>) only. Not for redistribution."
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Mark Barnes said:
That puts a different complexion on things...
There's an even more detailed explanation here: http://the-digital-reader.com/2015/06/15/baen-books-reveals-amazons-byzantine-policies-on-kindle-email-delivery/
Thanks, Mark. That was the article I originally saw a few weeks ago, but could not find it; so I posted the one I did. It would be helpful if LOGOS could create a MOBI or ePub file for us to upload.
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I'm guessing publishers are also not happy about this feature. That's why they probably don't offer a send to PDF as an alternative. I'd actually prefer that because then I could use it on an iPad with Apple Books or Good Reader.
I have read a few books on Kindle this way so I am also disappointed.
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
I'm guessing publishers are also not happy about this feature. That's why they probably don't offer a send to PDF as an alternative. I'd actually prefer that because then I could use it on an iPad with Apple Books or Good Reader.
I have read a few books on Kindle this way so I am also disappointed.
Since Logos was so vague in the initial statement, I wonder if this is the biggest reason for change. The 100 page export limit is already relatively generous compared to what other ebook distributors allow, like Kindle. Amazon blocks copy/paste after about 1 chapter of a book (when I tried it last). So I have to imagine that language exists in the contracts with the publishers that allow for the more liberal 100 page limit.
I can imagine some of them arguing that the Send-to-Kindle feature violates that part of the language of the contract. I doubt all the publishers care, but it only takes one putting up a fight to take the whole thing down I imagine.
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I too am sad to lose this feature as I do a lot of reading on my Kindle (I much prefer e-ink to a screen for extended periods of reading). As as been said by others, this will affect what I buy from Logos. Before send-to-kindle, I only bought reference works on Logos (commentaries, grammars, lexicons, ect.), but bought special interest books, monographs, ect elsewhere because I would have to be hard put to actually want to read a book within the Faithlife ecosystem. I am sad to have to return to my previous habits because I would much rather give my money to Faithlife then "the others".
I would second the motion to develop an e-pub export system as an alternative. There are plenty of inexpensive alternatives to Kindle that will handle e-pub.
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Floyd Johnson said:
It would be helpful if LOGOS could create a MOBI or ePub file for us to upload.
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I'm not sure how I missed this thread but it somehow escaped my attention. This is sad sad sad news!!!!
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Thank you for letting us know in advance. Even though this doesn't directly affect me, it makes me feel like my complaints have been heard.Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:Due to a combination of technical, legal, and permission issues outside our control, we're going to retire the send-to-Kindle feature on 3/31. You'll be able to use the service through the end of the month. After that point, it will no longer work. We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause you.
Update: Books already sent to Kindle will not be affected by this change. You will be able to continue to enjoy them on your Kindle after 3/31.
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Amazon seems to think they run the universe. Kindle is their platform so they can play bully. I am completely content using Kindle as an app mostly on tablet and mostly for free books.
I think Logos is great on tablet. We'll survive.
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While there may be licensing & permission issues outside Faithlife's control with sending copyrighted content to kindle - the same wouldn't be the case for public domain works.
Therefore there would be nothing stopping Logos having an 'export to kindle format' feature for public domain works, classic commentaries etc.
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Stephen Steele said:
While there may be licensing & permission issues outside Faithlife's control with sending copyrighted content to kindle - the same wouldn't be the case for public domain works.
The link above said that Amazon has been stopping third-parties sending lots of "Send to Kindle" requests on behalf of customers, so it's likely that this couldn't be an automated process.
Export would still be a possibility, but that does widen the piracy door.
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Terrible news! Without this feature I will definitely buy less books from Logos... If possible, please, try to fix all the problems and bring this feature back!
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Mark Barnes said:
Export would still be a possibility, but that does widen the piracy door.
Maybe - depending on how big a problem piracy of public domain Christian books is.
But I'm sure that like me others already begrudge buying public domain works in Logos. And if they can't be sent to kindle and can only be read on a tablet, I'd rather read the original book on archive.org or Google books and save money in the process.
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I played a little with Send-To-Kindle. But, since I use an Android e-Ink device as well as an iPad, it wasn't a big deal for me. I can see how it is a big deal for others, though.
A caveat for anyone in the market for an Android E-Ink e-reader: some of these devices don't have the hardware acceleration settings that the current FL Android apps need, while others do. Three that I know work with current FL apps are the Boyue T62+, the Onyx Boox C67ML Carta, and the Icarus Illumina XL. The first two are 6 inch devices with a decent 212 dpi resolution. The latter is an 8 inch device with a slightly lower resolution (160 dpi).
The Boyue is my preferred reading device (though my discovery of the Bookmaster iPad app may make me use my iPad more often for reading). It works well with FL apps and has good battery life. The Onyx also works well, but has less battery life. The Icarus is larger, but with less screen resolution.
I would love to see FL implement a change in their Android apps to allow pages to be turned by E-Ink devices with physical page turn buttons. I'd also like to see a color scheme (high contrast) implemented as an option which would improve visibility of all app features on E-Ink devices.
That said, FL apps work well on my Boyue. In fact, my main reason for buying an Android E-Ink device was to run the Verbum app on it!
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Mark Barnes said:Stephen Steele said:
While there may be licensing & permission issues outside Faithlife's control with sending copyrighted content to kindle - the same wouldn't be the case for public domain works.
The link above said that Amazon has been stopping third-parties sending lots of "Send to Kindle" requests on behalf of customers, so it's likely that this couldn't be an automated process.
Export would still be a possibility, but that does widen the piracy door.
The links above both stated that Amazon stopped those third-parties technically by imposing limits per sender's adress and basing this on a contract clause that permits charging for the services. This has nothing to do with piracy at all - it has to do with the aspect that Amazon doesn't like other companies that sell electronic content (i.e. competitors) allow their customers to use the Amazon kindle platform for legal, paid products.
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NB.Mick said:
This has nothing to do with piracy at all
I think the "piracy" issue Mark referenced is on FL's side. The way that "send to kindle" currently works, users had to give a SINGLE kindle email address, where the files would be sent. It would be easier to commit piracy if the files were sent directly to one's personal email address, where the user could "sell" the resource to whomever.
I do understand that the user could have done something similar before, but the current system makes it a little harder... especially for the novice user. Those who REALLY want to break the law can find ways to do so. A bigger issue may be all the little law breakers (perhaps unintentionally) who say to their buddy: "Hey, I have that book. Want me to send it to you?"
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Mark Nolette said:
A caveat for anyone in the market for an Android E-Ink e-reader: some of these devices don't have the hardware acceleration settings that the current FL Android apps need, while others do. Three that I know work with current FL apps are the Boyue T62+, the Onyx Boox C67ML Carta, and the Icarus Illumina XL. The first two are 6 inch devices with a decent 212 dpi resolution. The latter is an 8 inch device with a slightly lower resolution (160 dpi).
Thank you very much for this list. I plan on investing in one of these devices in the next month.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Due to a combination of technical, legal, and permission issues outside our control, we're going to retire the send-to-Kindle feature on 3/31. You'll be able to use the service through the end of the month. After that point, it will no longer work. We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause you.
Update: Books already sent to Kindle will not be affected by this change. You will be able to continue to enjoy them on your Kindle after 3/31.
Thanks for the heads-up. This is sad news. I didn't use the feature all the time but when I did, I loved it. For some things, reading on my kindle paperwhite was so much better. I hope that this can make a return in the future
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Well... I've just sent a dozen or so over, and I already have a few hundred on my Kindle now so I'll have plenty of casual reading for awhile.
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That feature was the only reason I ever bought books through Logos. Until an equivalent feature is added, I won't be purchasing anything else.
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Michael Grinder said:
That feature was the only reason I ever bought books through Logos. Until an equivalent feature is added, I won't be purchasing anything else.
I too am disappointed but I would not say it was the "only" reason why I bought books through Logos. I'm curious, do you not find any value in the desktop and mobile applications?
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Bruce Dunning said:Michael Grinder said:
That feature was the only reason I ever bought books through Logos. Until an equivalent feature is added, I won't be purchasing anything else.
I too am disappointed but I would not say it was the "only" reason why I bought books through Logos. I'm curious, do you not find any value in the desktop and mobile applications?
Did you only buy books from Faithlife that were unavailable on Amazon for the Kindle or that were cheaper from Faithlife?
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Well bummer. My Kindle Voyage (e ink), which I bought for this specific purpose, had become my preferred way of reading books from cover to cover.
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I am absolutely floored by this. Words fail me.
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For those that are interested, I've created a quick video tutorial on what it will take to get your books onto a Kindle after 31 March. You might want to watch that to decide whether to spend the next two weeks sending hundreds of books to Kindle, just in case! After reviewing my options, I've decided not to do that.
Video Tutorial: How to Send to Kindle after the "Send to Kindle" service is switched off
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What is "The old way"
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Ragnheðin Ryggstein said:
What is "The old way"
See Mark's thread here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/124007.aspx
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