BUG? Context Menu Resource List for References

Dave Hooton
Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,779
edited November 20 in English Forum

I thought to check that my Prioritised resources were appearing on the Context menu for bible References, but the results were quite unexpected (see Table below).

To reproduce:

  • Prioritize resources in Library as per Table (I have some Greek and Hebrew lexicons between NET and LGNTI)
  • right click a word in ESV at Gen 4:3, select Reference, and note the 5 resources in bottom left 
  • right click a word in ESV at Matt 25:2, select Reference, and note the 5 resources in bottom left
  • right click a word in LHI at Gen 4:3, select Reference, and note the 5 resources in bottom left
  • right click a word in LGNTI at Matt 25:2, select Reference, and note the 5 resources in bottom left

Why are my Prioritised resources matched only with the Greek bible LGNTI?

Why is the NET ignored by all but LGNTI?

Why do Concise Bible Commentary and Harmony of the Synoptic Gospels appear in the results?


Prioritized

ESV

Gen 4:3

ESV

Matt 25:2

LHI

Gen 4:3

LGNTI

Matt 25:2
ESV ESV ESV ESV ESV
NET TNIV OpenText Clauses LHI NET
LGNTI Concise Bible Commentary Harmony of Syn Gospels AFAT LGNTI
LHI AMP TNIV AFPMA NA27Int
NA27Int ASV Concise Bible Commentary BHSMorph OpenText Clauses
AFAT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Further tests show that:-

TNIV results for Matt 25:2 match LGNTI above.

TNIV results for Gen 4:3 are ESV, NET, TNIV, Concise Bible Commentary, AMP.

NA27Int results match LGNTI above.

BHSMorph results match LHI above.

If I Prioritize Newberry Interlinear after AFAT, then results are "as expected" i.e. it appears before OpenText Clauses in the ESV NT results and replaces OpenText Clauses in the LGNTI results.

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If it helps I attached a log where the activity starts about 13 Sept 21:50. I added BBC (29.1.24) to the list between NET and LGNTI and performed the above tests twice before removing BBC and repeating the tests with above results.

 

 

Dave
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  • Damian McGrath
    Damian McGrath Member Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭

    Dave,

    I can't replicate this. I placed the same 5 bibles at the top of my preferred resources and I get all the correct hits in the order in which I have prioritised them.

  • Damian McGrath
    Damian McGrath Member Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/10052#Comment_10052

    Dave, I removed every other resource from my prioritised list:

    Mt 25:2

    LGNTI: ESV; NET; LGNTI; NA27int; Lexham Sentence Diagrams (?)

    ESV: ESV; NET; LGNTI; NA27int; Lexham High Definition New Testament (?) 

    NRSV: ESV; NET; LGNTI; NA27int; NRSV

    NJB: ESV; NET; LGNTI; NA27int; NJB  

    Gen 4 3

    LHI: ESV; NET; LHI; AFAT: AYBC Genesis

    ESV: ESV; NET; LHI; AFAT: Ancient Christian Commentary Genesis

    NRSV: ESV; NET; LHI; AFAT: NRSV

    NJB: ESV; NET; LHI; AFAT: NJB

     

    I wonder what the logice is for finding resources not on the priority list?

  • Simon’s Brother
    Simon’s Brother Member Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭

    deleted as this somehow duplicated and saved a partially incomplete post

     

     

     

     

     

  • Simon’s Brother
    Simon’s Brother Member Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭

    Dave Hooton said:


    I thought to check that my Prioritised resources were appearing on the Context menu for bible References, but the results were quite unexpected (see Table below).

    To reproduce:

    • Prioritize resources in Library as per Table (I have some Greek and Hebrew lexicons between NET and LGNTI)
    • right click a word in ESV at Gen 4:3, select Reference, and note the 5 resources in bottom left 
    • right click a word in ESV at Matt 25:2, select Reference, and note the 5 resources in bottom left
    • right click a word in LHI at Gen 4:3, select Reference, and note the 5 resources in bottom left
    • right click a word in LGNTI at Matt 25:2, select Reference, and note the 5 resources in bottom left

    Why are my Prioritised resources matched only with the Greek bible LGNTI?

    Why is the NET ignored by all but LGNTI?

    Why do Concise Bible Commentary and Harmony of the Synoptic Gospels appear in the results?


    Prioritized

    ESV

    Gen 4:3

    ESV

    Matt 25:2

    LHI

    Gen 4:3

    LGNTI

    Matt 25:2
    ESV ESV ESV ESV ESV
    NET TNIV OpenText Clauses LHI NET
    LGNTI Concise Bible Commentary Harmony of Syn Gospels AFAT LGNTI
    LHI AMP TNIV AFPMA NA27Int
    NA27Int ASV Concise Bible Commentary BHSMorph OpenText Clauses
    AFAT

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Further tests show that:-

    TNIV results for Matt 25:2 match LGNTI above.

    TNIV results for Gen 4:3 are ESV, NET, TNIV, Concise Bible Commentary, AMP.

    NA27Int results match LGNTI above.

    BHSMorph results match LHI above.

    If I Prioritize Newberry Interlinear after AFAT, then results are "as expected" i.e. it appears before OpenText Clauses in the ESV NT results and replaces OpenText Clauses in the LGNTI results.

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    If it helps I attached a log where the activity starts about 13 Sept 21:50. I added BBC (29.1.24) to the list between NET and LGNTI and performed the above tests twice before removing BBC and repeating the tests with above results.

     

     


     

    Dav , I tried setup as above and get following results..


    Prioritized

    ESV

    Gen 4:3

    ESV

    Matt 25:2

    LHI

    Gen 4:3

    LGNTI

    Matt 25:2
    ESV ESV ESV ESV ESV
    NET NET NET NET NET
    LGNTI LHI LGNTI LHI LGNTI
    LHI AFAT NA27Int AFAT NA27Int
    NA27Int TNIV LHDNT(ESV) Five Books of Moses
    LSGofGNT(Syntax Graphs)
    AFAT

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    TNIV matches my ESV results for Gen 4:3. However for Matt 25:2 it differs in that the last resources shows up as the Harmony of Synoptic Gospels.

    NA27Int matches my LGNTI also...bit stange though that since NA27Int is the base resource that it shows up as a destination option.  I would expect it to in this instance to drope out, the number 5 item to become number 4 and a new number 5 to appear.

    BHSMorph match my LHI results also....

    JNT (Jewish New Testament) matches my TNIV results. Tanakh matches my LHI results

    I tried Luther 1912 bible and found that though the type is bible it is not indexed by refernce but will do a separte post on that issue.

    When I slot in Newberry after AFTA also get expected behaviours.

    Taking away NA27 and AFAT from fourth and fifth priority positions (newberry also left out) I get


    Prioritized

    ESV

    Gen 4:3

    ESV

    Matt 25:2

    LHI

    Gen 4:3

    LGNTI

    Matt 25:2
    ESV ESV ESV ESV ESV
    NET NET NET NET NET
    LGNTI LHI LGNTI LHI LGNTI
    LHI TNIV LHDNT(ESV) Five Books of Moses
    LSGofGNT(Syntax Graphs)
    Concise Bible Commentary Harmony of Synoptic Gospels Wilibrordvertaling
    LSNT
    (Syntax NT)

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    So indeed some strange results, almost seems like some preset advanced priority options hidden from us.  Where my results difered from Dav I believe it related to the difference in resources we have in our respective libraries as this last test seems to indicate.

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,779
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/10149#Comment_10149

    AndrewMckenzie said:

    So indeed some strange results, almost seems like some preset advanced priority options hidden from us.  Where my results difered from Dav I believe it related to the difference in resources we have in our respective libraries as this last test seems to indicate.

    Strange, but consistent with your Prioritised resources. You wouldn't get that mix in v3 as the bible data type listed your bibles before any commentaries.

    I'm waiting for a Logos response but I'm prepared to scrap my list and Prioritise afresh.

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,779

    Dave Hooton said:

    I thought to check that my Prioritised resources were appearing on the Context menu for bible References, but the results were quite unexpected

    I reset my list by deleting every resource and restocked it as shown below:

     

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    Then I repeated the above test for resources on Reference. All results were as expected for OT/NT.

    Then I performed the above test for resources on Lemma. All results were as expected for Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek.

    Then I performed the above test for resources on Strong's. All results were as expected for Hebrew and Greek.

    It doesn't let you off the hook, though. If a little tinkering produces unexpected results we need to know why!

     

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Simon’s Brother
    Simon’s Brother Member Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/10306#Comment_10306

    Dave Hooton said:

    Dave Hooton said:

    I thought to check that my Prioritised resources were appearing on the Context menu for bible References, but the results were quite unexpected

    It doesn't let you off the hook, though. If a little tinkering produces unexpected results we need to know why!

     

     

    I think no tinkering is going to produce unexpected results... and advanced view button for those who care about correcting those unexpected results is required so that we can see what is happening on the datatype level. The single list is messy enough as it is, but then when we start adding advanced priority options and end up with the same resourse in the list mutiple times to handle multiple scenarios... I'm thinking of permissions in windows systems where there is an administrative tool to see the actual result of all the different permissions applied to a user due to various group policies and group memberships that might affect that individual user account.  A tool that does something similar for a datatype is required in L4.

    Agreed this does not let Logos off the hook... George can you please keep looking at this issue (along with everything else on you plate and I will try things again at my end. TIA

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