Great Books of the Western World
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The product Great Books of the Western World appears to be live, yet my order page still shows as shipping on June 10. Seems things are out of order.
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Thanks for catching that.
The resource is currently being tested and it looks like it accidentally was made live.
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Is it actually being released today? I'm super excited!
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Mark Peskett said:
Is it actually being released today?
Yes!
Mark Peskett said:I'm super excited!
So am I. [Y]
By the way, welcome to the forums Mark.
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Looking forward to some good summer reading, along with all the other stuff I want to read.
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It's still available for last minute preorders.
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Woo-Hoo!
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Note that I've started a Reading List for the Great Books of the Western World to be used to check-off works as you read them. It's a bit more than half done at the moment
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Already looked at it and waiting for you to populate the links. Nice work MJ!
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Shipped.
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Just downloaded them. Looks great! I was able to go to the Syntopicon and links appear to work. Very happy to finally be able to easily study a great idea and simply clicking links to go to the books excerpts. Logos is the ideal platform for this. Job well done!
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They don't seem to be mobile-enabled yet.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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MJ. Smith said:
Note that I've started a Reading List for the Great Books of the Western World to be used to check-off works as you read them. It's a bit more than half done at the moment
Wow, MJ, you're a fast reader....
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Oh, wait. You mean the Reading List is half done, not the reading of the list.
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I see it in my Android phone already: syntopicon, books, a book's hierarchical table of contents, linking to other books, linking to Bible verses, preview of links in a pop-up, etc. It seems that it's all there.
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Let me first say I'm thrilled to have GBWW in Logos! I have a question. Is there any way to have the Concordance feature to analyze the series as one whole unit rather than by individual resource? I also would like to see Concordance be able to analyze Collections if this would be possible.
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Beloved, Are you thinking about something different than the Syntopticon?
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Steve said:
Beloved, Are you thinking about something different than the Syntopticon?
Yes Steve,
Perhaps some background will explain. I was interested to see if the topic of resurrection was addressed in any of the titles in the Great Books. I was surprised to note that this was not the case by doing a simple search query. I then became curious as to what ideas/words occurred most in the Books. I found that at least in my hands I was unable to compile general data on the Great Books as a whole using the Concordance tool. This generated my question. I hope that explains. Just as a follow up I decided to see if there was another concept that would serve as a stand-in for resurrection and I was pleased to find that the idea of immortality is addressed in 43 resources, so I am satisfied with this. But, my question is still active. Thanks for your interest.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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Paul Budiardjo said:
I see it in my Android phone already: syntopicon, books, a book's hierarchical table of contents, linking to other books, linking to Bible verses, preview of links in a pop-up, etc. It seems that it's all there.
I'm not seeing it on my iPad and I don't have a PC available. What library search would verify their existence? "Synopticon" comes up empty.
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Beloved,
That is very interesting and a thought provoking scenario.
It cause me to consider how those thinkers and authors before the time of Christ, and other authors afterwards (not necessarily Christian) would approach the various topics that the series encompasses. In other words, would the language of resurrection be something other than immortality? Perhaps, but not necessarily so. Aristotle and Plato looked at the immortality of the soul, but was resurrection of the body in their vocabulary? ... I can't recall. That was uniquely Christian, I think.
I think your investigation into immortality is spot on given the context of the Great Books and their authors.
What do you think?
EDIT: Well, Paul gives you the answer below. Thanks, Paul. Trying to engage the thought process here ... sigh.
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Lew Worthington said:
Oh, wait. You mean the Reading List is half done, not the reading of the list.
As a ten-year-old or thereabouts I wanted to go to St. John's College in New Mexico ... I'm actually very curious to know how many of these I have read either as required reading or casual reading ... but I fear my reading will have placed me farther along in the Sacred Books of the East.
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Beloved said:
Perhaps some background will explain. I was interested to see if the topic of resurrection was addressed in any of the titles in the Great Books. I was surprised to note that this was not the case by doing a simple search query. I then became curious as to what ideas/words occurred most in the Books. I found that at least in my hands I was unable to compile general data on the Great Books as a whole using the Concordance tool. This generated my question. I hope that explains. Just as a follow up I decided to see if there was another concept that would serve as a stand-in for resurrection and I was pleased to find that the idea of immortality is addressed in 43 resources, so I am satisfied with this. But, my question is still active. Thanks for your interest.
For starter, the Christian idea of the resurrection of the body is treated in the Syntopicon under Chapter 38: IMMORTALITY, Topic number 5g (The resurrection of the body). Clicking on 5g will show references from OT, NT, Augustine, Aquinas, Dante, etc. You can also see related topics under topic number 5. You can also find related ideas (and their subtopic numbers) by going to the Cross-References under IMMORTALITY, as well as additional readings of works NOT included in the collection.
Don't forget to look at the end of Volume 2 where you will find the Inventory of Terms. This is like an index to help you find relevant idea+topic-number. For example, the Resurrection (theol.) entry says: see God 7g, 9c; Immortality 5g; Soul 4d(3).
What's great about the Syntopicon is that the cross references are based on IDEAS, not simple word occurrence like a concordance. The Syntopicon IDEAS + outline of topics is similar to the Logos Thematic Outlines (https://www.logos.com/product/27289/thematic-outlines-dataset).
Hope that helps. I'm SOOO excited at studying this collection. I have been waiting for more than 25 years for a product like this to appear!
To everyone: the first edition of this collection (published in 1951) contains a 84 page essay "The Great Conversation" about how to see the importance of liberal education and how to use this collection as a substance of a liberal education. If you can find it, it's highly recommended!
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Paul Budiardjo said:
To everyone: the first edition of this collection (published in 1951) contains a 84 page essay "The Great Conversation" about how to see the importance of liberal education and how to use this collection as a substance of a liberal education. If you can find it, it's highly recommended!
That's actually available in PDF from Britannica's blog (I found it via a simple Google search): http://blogs.britannica.com/wp-content/pdf/The_Great_Conversation.pdf
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David A Egolf said:
I'm not seeing it on my iPad and I don't have a PC available. What library search would verify their existence? "Synopticon" comes up empty.
It is available on the iPad for me. "Synopticon" - is this the way you spelled it? If yes, it's incorrect and should be "syntopicon"
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David A Egolf said:Paul Budiardjo said:
I see it in my Android phone already: syntopicon, books, a book's hierarchical table of contents, linking to other books, linking to Bible verses, preview of links in a pop-up, etc. It seems that it's all there.
I'm not seeing it on my iPad and I don't have a PC available. What library search would verify their existence? "Synopticon" comes up empty.
I noticed a misspelling in your reply. In Library, I typed Syntopicon. After 5 letters, you should already see the 2 volumes that has "Syntopicon" in the title.
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Thank you Yasmin and Paul. I had actually corrected my own spelling even before I posted. I had further searched by expected book authors; e.g., Kant; to no avail. However, since I have posted, the books have shown up! I am happy now.
For those of you who have read Adler's "How to Read a Book", I would like to hear some ideas on how to tackle this collection! First, we don't have book covers to peruse, but we could spend time in the forwards and TOC's.
Personally, I intend to spend at least an hour in the Syntopicon volumes tonight. That might lead to a few forays into the rest of the books, but we will see.
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Also, I think I will start with one note file for the collection rather than a note file per book. I can specialize later.
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Steve said:
What do you think?
For me resurrection is crucial to Christianity. Although the idea predates Christ, the Osiris cult I believe is the first recorded mythology encompassing this idea. But, as far as my personal interests I want to know more of how the West deals with this fundamental tenet of our faith. Perhaps when the sacred books of the east ship I'll be motivated to see how the East responds to this concept. [:)]
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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TIP: Since the Syntopicon references are in page numbers, it can sometimes be helpful to see the page numbers within the text, especially if the reference is a page range like 236-240. For the PC (and Mac?) version, here's how you can do it: https://blog.logos.com/2010/09/logos_4_display_page_numbers_inline/
TIP: In the PC (and Mac?) version, in the Library, to see only the 60 Great Books related resources, select the predefined Series "Great Books of the Western World", or type "great books" (double quotes included). But for some reason it doesn't work with my Android app [:(]
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Beloved said:
Perhaps when the sacred books of the east ship I'll be motivated to see how the East responds to this concept.
Ahh ... Osiris. Perhaps. Is Egypt the East? Maybe?
Regarding your original question ... Don't overlook Paul's response above. Much helpful information there regarding the western response.
... great question, Beloved!
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Steve said:
Regarding your original question ... Don't overlook Paul's response above. Much helpful information there regarding the western response.
Yes,Yes Paul,
Many thanks for your response. It reveals a fascinating familiarity with this resource! Thanks again.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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Paul Budiardjo said:
For starter, the Christian idea of the resurrection of the body is treated in the Syntopicon under Chapter 38: IMMORTALITY, Topic number 5g (The resurrection of the body).
@Steve, @Paul and interested others,
Upon investigating Paul's report, I became interested to know why Logos Search failed to return hits for resurrection as it was present in the heading referenced in the Syntopicon. So, I reran the Search. I must have been too anxious to get at the Great Books, for the second Search on resurrection returned hits on 30 resources. Patience is an essential ingredient in dealing with Logos as well as knowledge-ability and persistence. [8-|]
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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Volume number isn't included in the title. I kind of like to keep things organized with that. I know I can add tags or change the title, but does anyone else wish they already showed up in the library?
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MJ,
I'd like to use the Reading List for the GBWW. Got a link?
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I tagged the set with the color code from Britannica (RED, GREEN, BLUE, GREY). I also tagged each color according to the designation given (Math, Science; Religion, Philosophy; ect.). Then I changed the short title of each to the correct Volume Number.
Great Books are color coded for easy reference
GREEN: Novels, Short Stories, Plays and Poetry
Volume 3 Homer Volume 4 Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, Aristophanes Volume 12 Virgil Volume 19 Dante, Chaucer Volume 22 Rabelais Volume 24 Shakespeare l Volume 25 Shakespeare ll Volume 27 Cervantes Volume 29 Milton Volume 31 Molière, Racine Volume 34 Swift, Voltaire, Diderot Volume 45 Goethe, Balzac Volume 46 Austen, George Eliot Volume 47 Dickens Volume 48 Melville, Twain Volume 51 Tolstoy Volume 52 Dostoevsky, Ibsen Volume 59 Henry James, Shaw, Conrad, Chekhov, Pirandello, Proust, Cather, Mann, Joyce Volume 60 Woolf, Kafka, Lawrence, T.S. Eliot, O’Neill, Fitzgerald, Faulkner, Brecht, Hemingway, Orwell, Beckett
RED: Philosophy and Religion
Volume 6 Plato Volume 7 Aristotle l Volume 8 Aristotle ll Volume 11 Lucretius, Epictetus, Marcus Aurelius, Plotinus Volume 16 Augustine Volume 17 Aquinas l Volume 18 Aquinas ll Volume 20 Calvin Volume 28 Bacon, Descartes, Spinoza Volume 30 Pascal Volume 33 Locke, Berkeley, Hume Volume 39 Kant Volume 43 Hegel, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche Volume 55 William James, Bergson, Dewey, Whitehead, Russell, Heidegger, Wittgenstein, Barth
BLUE: History, Politics, Economics and Ethics
Volume 5 Herodotus, Thucydides Volume 13 Plutarch Volume 14 Tacitus Volume 21 Machiavelli, Hobbes Volume 23 Erasmus, Montaigne Volume 35 Montesquieu, Rousseau Volume 36 Adam Smith Volume 37 Gibbon l Volume 38 Gibbon ll Volume 40 J.S. Mill Volume 41 Boswell Volume 44 Tocqueville Volume 50 Marx, Engels Volume 57 Veblen, Tawney, Keynes Volume 58 Frazer, Weber, Huizinga, Levi-Strauss
GREY: Mathematics and Natural Sciences
Volume 9 Hippocrates, Galen Volume 10 Euclid, Archimedes, Nicomachus Volume 15 Ptolemy, Copernicus, Kepler Volume 26 Gilbert, Galileo, Harvey Volume 32 Newton, Huygens Volume 42 Lavoisier, Faraday Volume 49 Darwin Volume 53 William James Volume 54 Freud Volume 56 Poincare, Planck, Whitehead, Einstein, Eddington, Bohr, Hardy, Heisenberg, Schrodinger, Dobzhansky, Waddington
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James C. said:
I tagged the set with the color code from Britannica (RED, GREEN, BLUE, GREY). I also tagged each color according to the designation given (Math, Science; Religion, Philosophy; ect.). Then I changed the short title of each to the correct Volume Number.
James, thanks for sharing how you tagged these as I have not yet tagged mine. Perhaps you could help me understand why you chose to use the same colour code as I can see the value in a printed book but can't quite see it here since you are also using the written tags of the actual topic e.g. "RED, philosophy, religion"
I was thinking of creating a tag that specifically applied to the 60 volumes like GBWW as well as the topic. Then, if I wanted to search for books on philosophy, I would just use the GBWW and philosophy tags to have them listed together. But I see you didn't use an overall tag for this set so you probably just wanted to see them by colour. I'm just exploring the value of using the colour tags.
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Bruce Dunning said:James C. said:
I tagged the set with the color code from Britannica (RED, GREEN, BLUE, GREY). I also tagged each color according to the designation given (Math, Science; Religion, Philosophy; ect.). Then I changed the short title of each to the correct Volume Number.
James, thanks for sharing how you tagged these as I have not yet tagged mine. Perhaps you could help me understand why you chose to use the same colour code as I can see the value in a printed book but can't quite see it here since you are also using the written tags of the actual topic e.g. "RED, philosophy, religion"
I was thinking of creating a tag that specifically applied to the 60 volumes like GBWW as well as the topic. Then, if I wanted to search for books on philosophy, I would just use the GBWW and philosophy tags to have them listed together. But I see you didn't use an overall tag for this set so you probably just wanted to see them by colour. I'm just exploring the value of using the colour tags.
First let me say that I often over tag my books. Second my tags often "evolve" over time.
But to answer your question directly, the reason I tagged these with the color code was so I could see quickly which books were placed under which general category. My plan is to go back and tag each individual book with its proper tag. For example in the collection under GREEN there are Short Stories, Plays, Novels, and Poetry. Not every book in that general category is actually a book of poetry or a novel. So the color code, which I will keep, gives me the general categories while the tags "poetry, ect." will limit these even further.
I was in a rush this morning so I tagged each book with a color and then just selected each color group and gave them the general tags "History, Politics, Economics and Ethics".
Hope that makes sense.
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James C. said:
First let me say that I often over tag my books.
Thanks for responding. There is nothing wrong with overtagging.
James C. said:But to answer your question directly, the reason I tagged these with the color code was so I could see quickly which books were placed under which general category. My plan is to go back and tag each individual book with its proper tag. For example in the collection under GREEN there are Short Stories, Plays, Novels, and Poetry. Not every book in that general category is actually a book of poetry or a novel. So the color code, which I will keep, gives me the general categories while the tags "poetry, ect." will limit these even further.
I was in a rush this morning so I tagged each book with a color and then just selected each color group and gave them the general tags "History, Politics, Economics and Ethics".
Thanks for taking time to explain things more. That makes sense and is helpful.
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Steve said:
Ahh ... Osiris. Perhaps. Is Egypt the East? Maybe?
Since Ptolemy is covered by the GBWW, I assume Egypt is West.
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An excellent collection. I'm very pleased.I have two remarks.
1. For Android users: The resources don't download on Logos version 4.3.9, therefore an up to date device is required.
2. Many references link to resources outside of the GBWW, although the same resource is also part of the GBWW. Some examples, the first article in the syntopicon (Angels) has references to Milton's Paradise Lost (okay, I assume almost everyone has that anyway), and to Dostoyevsky's Brothers Karamazov (which is a bigger problem).
It would really be great if the referneces, as long as the various works exist in the GBWW, could also be kept inside the GBWW as much as possible. Especially the syntopicon would really benefit from that.
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Jan Krohn said:
2. Many references link to resources outside of the GBWW, although the same resource is also part of the GBWW. Some examples, the first article in the syntopicon (Angels) has references to Milton's Paradise Lost (okay, I assume almost everyone has that anyway), and to Dostoyevsky's Brothers Karamazov (which is a bigger problem).
It would really be great if the referneces, as long as the various works exist in the GBWW, could also be kept inside the GBWW as much as possible. Especially the syntopicon would really benefit from that.
Are these links resource-specific, or is it a matter of your library's prioritization?
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There is a 10 year reading list, conflating the two editions of the set, that Britannica had published, at this web site: http://www.greatconversation.com/10-year-reading-plan . While we wait for MJ's list this may give an entrance into the study of the set.
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David E Haeuser said:
There is a 10 year reading list, conflating the two editions of the set, that Britannica had published, at this web site: http://www.greatconversation.com/10-year-reading-plan . While we wait for MJ's list this may give an entrance into the study of the set.
I've not found any reading plan that I've considered satisfactory with the exception of the graded plan for the Gateway to the Great Books series. Therefore, at the moment I have no intention of going beyond the check list format of the Reading List. The Sacred Books of the East I will take a somewhat different approach to because multi-volume works are not necessarily adjacent volumes so some arrangement by religious group will be used. I do have the scaffolding of a reading list up for the Harvard Classics ... but today is my (formerly youngest) grandson's high school graduation ... formerly because he now has a 2 week old younger brother. So the amount of progress you should expect today is close to zero.
If anyone has the Gateway to the Great Books series and could send me the lists of books in appendix II and III - recommended novels and recommended anthologies of poetry I would greatly appreciate it.
You might check out http://www.thegreatideas.org/gip.html#Volume6 as a starting point for reading ...
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MJ. Smith said:
If anyone has the Gateway to the Great Books series and could send me the lists of books in appendix II and III - recommended novels and recommended anthologies of poetry I would greatly appreciate it.
MJ,
Here's a Word file with a rough OCR of the text of the books. The source pictures are included at the bottom if you want to double-check stuff.
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thank you very much
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SineNomine said:
Are these links resource-specific, or is it a matter of your library's prioritization?
Since I don't own those works, it'd be an interesting task to prioritize them ;-)
Anyway, since the concluding reference list at the end of each article is linked correctly, those references in the articles are rather a minor annoyance
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Jan Krohn said:SineNomine said:
Are these links resource-specific, or is it a matter of your library's prioritization?
Since I don't own those works, it'd be an interesting task to prioritize them ;-)
Anyway, since the concluding reference list at the end of each article is linked correctly, those references in the articles are rather a minor annoyance
I own the resource outside the Great Books, but what I don't understand is why it links to the outside resource and not the resource inside Great Books. The Syntopicon should link to resources inside the Great Books first; without having to prioritize anything.
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Matt Hamrick said:
The Syntopicon should link to resources inside the Great Books first; without having to prioritize anything.
In Logos this is most easily achieved by the Logos default priorities when the user has not prioritized the resources.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Matt Hamrick said:
The Syntopicon should link to resources inside the Great Books first; without having to prioritize anything.
In Logos this is most easily achieved by the Logos default priorities when the user has not prioritized the resources.
Although books for which a user has a license should be (normally are?) automatically prioritized above books for which no license is possessed.
Also, if these links are designed to go to a specific edition of the works in question and these specific editions are not the Great Books editions, then there has been a colossal linking failure that needs to be corrected ASAP.
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Jimmy Kinnaird said:
MJ,
I'd like to use the Reading List for the GBWW. Got a link?
Tools ==> Bible Reference ==> Reading Lists ==> All Lists
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Greg Masone said:
Here's a Word file with a rough OCR of the text of the books.
Thank you ... they are now in the reading list ...
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