EEC Update
Good news: EEC Philippians is on track to be released by the end of the year. To ensure quality, all 500,000+ words have been through several rounds of review and editorial. It’s in great shape and we’re excited to release this volume by Mark Keown.
Unfortunately, EEC Jeremiah will not be released this year like we hoped. Walt Kaiser has written a fantastic commentary—very approachable and pastoral—but during our academic review we have determined that the manuscript needed further technical discussion and text-critical engagement than was ready in time for the deadline. We believe this delay, while not ideal, will ultimately serve EEC readers better, as it will further strengthen Kaiser’s excellent contribution.
Several other volumes are also nearing completion. Joshua, 1 & 2 Chronicles, and Amos/Jonah/Micah all have complete first drafts and are currently in the review/revision process. In addition, the authors of Leviticus, Daniel, and Galatians all hope to finish their first drafts by the end of summer 2017. Shortly after, the authors of Ecclesiastes hope to finish their first draft by early fall 2017.
As always, we remain committed to delivering high-quality EEC volumes and we are very excited to release each forthcoming volume.
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Justin Marr said:
We believe this delay, while not ideal, will ultimately serve EEC readers better, as it will further strengthen Kaiser’s excellent contribution.
Justin Marr said:As always, we remain committed to delivering high-quality EEC volumes and we are very excited to release each forthcoming volume.
Thanks for the update.
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Justin Marr said:
Unfortunately, EEC Jeremiah will not be released this year like we hoped. Walt Kaiser has written a fantastic commentary—very approachable and pastoral—but during our academic review we have determined that the manuscript needed further technical discussion and text-critical engagement than was ready in time for the deadline. We believe this delay, while not ideal, will ultimately serve EEC readers better, as it will further strengthen Kaiser’s excellent contribution.
I hope Dr. Varner gets a chance to correct his commentary on James.
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In the press release they stated they will find another author for the book of James.
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Matt Hamrick said:
In the press release they stated they will find another author for the book of James.
Yes, I know. But without any explanation about the errors, is this a good direction in this case? Why not let Dr. Varner correct the errors?
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The academic world is less forgiving than the Christ.
Hans K said:Matt Hamrick said:In the press release they stated they will find another author for the book of James.
Yes, I know. But without any explanation about the errors, is this a good direction in this case? Why not let Dr. Varner the errors?
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Thanks for the update Justin.
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Hans K said:Matt Hamrick said:
In the press release they stated they will find another author for the book of James.
Yes, I know. But without any explanation about the errors, is this a good direction in this case? Why not let Dr. Varner the errors?
I am pretty sure in the press release they gave an awesome explanation. In college I would have been expelled for not citing my research and if I ever write a book, especially an academic book, then failure to cite my research would cause the book to not be published. I personally cannot understand how the publisher's did not catch it before it was published. Don't forget Dr. Varner was not the first author to do this. But any school will expelled students for doing this.
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Thank you Justin (& all involved) for the update on the EEC.
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Whilst not disagreeing with any of the positive and appreciative comments on this series recorded above; please do note that a significant number of the unpublished titles have had their publication dates pushed back; and in a number of case by quite a few years. This is not to be confused with estimated dates that have arrived that we didn't have before.
So I suppose also with the furore over the attibution and citations issue currently raging we should embrace that fact this (and other) series will necessarily take longer to complete to the 'higher bar' quality now expected.
Shalom
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Justin Marr said:
Good news: EEC Philippians is on track to be released by the end of the year. To ensure quality, all 500,000+ words have been through several rounds of review and editorial. It’s in great shape and we’re excited to release this volume by Mark Keown.
Unfortunately, EEC Jeremiah will not be released this year like we hoped. Walt Kaiser has written a fantastic commentary—very approachable and pastoral—but during our academic review we have determined that the manuscript needed further technical discussion and text-critical engagement than was ready in time for the deadline. We believe this delay, while not ideal, will ultimately serve EEC readers better, as it will further strengthen Kaiser’s excellent contribution.
Several other volumes are also nearing completion. Joshua, 1 & 2 Chronicles, and Amos/Jonah/Micah all have complete first drafts and are currently in the review/revision process. In addition, the authors of Leviticus, Daniel, and Galatians all hope to finish their first drafts by the end of summer 2017. Shortly after, the authors of Ecclesiastes hope to finish their first draft by early fall 2017.
As always, we remain committed to delivering high-quality EEC volumes and we are very excited to release each forthcoming volume.
Is there any way that we can get a detailed update like this again?
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It would be good to get another update. I posted this on another thread about three weeks ago. Two of the dates have changed.
This year has the potential for 8 volumes to be releases:
- Amos, Jonah, & Micah - January 31, 2018 Now March 31, 2018
- Galatians - February 1, 2018 Now June 1, 2018
- Jeremiah - April 30, 2018
- Leviticus - May 1, 2018
- Daniel - August 1, 2018
- Joshua - September 1, 2018
- Ecclesiastes – November 1, 2018
- 1 & 2 Chronicles - December 1, 2018
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Also, there used to be a separate website for the Evangelical Exegetical Commentary. I can't seem to find it anymore.
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I wish they would put these on prepub. I don't want to buy the whole set up front but I have bought each volume as time has gone on.
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Ronald Quick said:
Also, there used to be a separate website for the Evangelical Exegetical Commentary. I can't seem to find it anymore.
I too can't find the stand alone website - either this is a domain registration/renewal issue or more likely they have reconsidered its value and ceased it.
Shalom
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Ronald Quick said:
Also, there used to be a separate website for the Evangelical Exegetical Commentary. I can't seem to find it anymore.
It looks like the website was at evangelicalexegeticalcommentary.com; however, all links associated with the site now redirect to the Logos EEC product page.
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Thanks all for your questions about the EEC.
We're working on a comprehensive update for the series, we should be able to share it soon.
The EEC website was recently retired and now EvangelicalExegeticalCommentary.com redirects to a landing page on LexhamPress.com. This landing page will be much easier to maintain.
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I am very much looking forward to Kaiser's commentary. My approach to reading and understanding the old testament has been so influenced by him that I'm excited to walk with him through an entire book of the Bible, especially Jeremiah, especially since the commentary is pastoral (as I would expect from Kaiser)
Thank you for working hard to ensure that the EEC is the best possible resource.
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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Can the dates be better trusted on the Lexham Press page? Or should we continue to ignore the dates that are posted?
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Any chance of being able to buy them on Pre-Pub? Normally they just pop into the ecosystem but a prepub discount would be nice
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Jake Mailhot said:
We're working on a comprehensive update for the series, we should be able to share it soon.
Any further word on the EEC? I am eager to hear the latest [:)]
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Jake Mailhot said:
Thanks all for your questions about the EEC.
We're working on a comprehensive update for the series, we should be able to share it soon.
The EEC website was recently retired and now EvangelicalExegeticalCommentary.com redirects to a landing page on LexhamPress.com. This landing page will be much easier to maintain.
Any updates on this Jake? I'm thinking about grabbing the EEC from March Madness but I'd like to know if possible the updated release dates. I know they can change but at least updated ball parks would be nice. Also, I remember from a much older post that the volumes were being changed and modified? Is this still the case?
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Also I find it very confusing as to what is in a set and what it is owned. See picture from EEC site on Logos.
- Jeremiah isn't listed at all but if you go to Lamentations it is part of a set that contains both... am I getting dynamic pricing for Jeremiah since I own it? Also, from your earlier post at the top of this set, you mention it was in a review phase. Is that almost done?
- Song of Songs is listed but if you go to that link it is combined with a set that includes Ecclesiastes. Is dynamic pricing included even though it isn't listed?
- I own Colossians for some reason (probably got it in a set) but the page for Colossians is empty. When will that ship? From what I remember it was bundled with Philemon.
- 2 Peter isn't listed but I believe that is bundled with Jude? I believe I own it but it isn't listed. I do own Jude.
When you have time, please give us an update. I'm hesitant to purchase the rest for these reasons as it seems there are more questions than answers.
Thank you
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I forgot the picture!
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Mattillo said:
Any chance of being able to buy them on Pre-Pub? Normally they just pop into the ecosystem but a prepub discount would be nice
If they did that, they wouldn't be able to include them in a publisher's sale for at least six months! Rather ironic given that they are the publisher.....
From what I was looking at last night, it seems like the new Faithlife Connect Essentials is going to be the best way to get a discount on (at least some of) these titles.
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David Carter said:
From what I was looking at last night, it seems like the new Faithlife Connect Essentials is going to be the best way to get a discount on (at least some of) these titles.
Some EEC volumes are also included in the FL Connect originals free book selection.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Mattillo said:
Any chance of being able to buy them on Pre-Pub? Normally they just pop into the ecosystem but a prepub discount would be nice
EEC as a set was on pre-pub several years ago. Those of us who bid on the entire packaged were promised the best price. It might be possible for Faithlife to again offer the set with forthcoming volumes at a mediated price for a short period of time. Allowing those who could not take advantage of the earlier offer or were not around for it to get a discounted price on the remaining volumes.
Blessings,
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Once in a while the EEC volumes go one sale (indeed once or twice i believe there was a free volume +1 for $1.99 which is how I got 1,2,3 john, James and Esther it may have been get a third for $4.99), the prices mentioned of course are well below prepub pricing, but I do remember seeing other volumes on sale once in a while. All these seem like decent volumes and if the EEC went far enough along in March Madness it is something I would consider but as it looks like it will loose out in this round I am not sure there will be enough of a discount to make me reconsider as I had not been overly impressed with the initial volume released and didn't think the EEC was for me, but having lived with these three I have come to really value the 2 NT volumes for sure although I have not spent enough time with Esther to evaluate it fairly one way or another.
-dan
PS: Very happy to own James because it was deemed to be guilty go plagiarism. It was not intentional but rather than repairing it it was withdrawn, but I value it even though i know in academic circles it would be a bit of a pariah.
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Mattillo said:
- Jeremiah isn't listed at all but if you go to Lamentations it is part of a set that contains both... am I getting dynamic pricing for Jeremiah since I own it? Also, from your earlier post at the top of this set, you mention it was in a review phase. Is that almost done?
- Song of Songs is listed but if you go to that link it is combined with a set that includes Ecclesiastes. Is dynamic pricing included even though it isn't listed?
- I own Colossians for some reason (probably got it in a set) but the page for Colossians is empty. When will that ship? From what I remember it was bundled with Philemon.
- 2 Peter isn't listed but I believe that is bundled with Jude? I believe I own it but it isn't listed. I do own Jude.
These four "double" volumes will include the second volume when they are released in the future. It's an artifact of the resource system that the second volume isn't listed in the title of these resources, since only the first volume in each of these has been actually released.
Mattillo said:Any chance of being able to buy them on Pre-Pub?
Floyd is correct. The 44-volume set was offered on Pre-Pub for a time when it was first listed. Since then, the collection has been discounted from time to time, usually only for significant promotions like the Publisher Spotlight or March Madness. Plus, the regular price of the 44-volume set is a significant discount off the total SRP of all the volumes taken individually. We try to be sensitive to these customers who purchased the Pre-Pub years ago by not undercutting their investment except in special circumstances (like the Free Book of the Month promotion a few years ago).
As for a comprehensive update, I'm working on collecting those details--many of them have been difficult to track down. I should have more to share later this week or early next week. Thanks.
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Jake Mailhot said:
As for a comprehensive update, I'm working on collecting those details--many of them have been difficult to track down. I should have more to share later this week or early next week. Thanks.
I know this has been said quite a few times by many over the years, but as a purchaser of the entire set back in 2011, I have been strongly disappointed by the continuous postponements of volumes being released. I appreciate your honesty that many details have been difficult to track down, but this is more than discouraging. Your comments make me wonder who takes the production of this set seriously at Logos? Is there anyone actively working on the production of this series who is consistently in contact with authors and prodding them along to meet deadlines? I don't pretend to know the whole editorial and production process, but the extreme slowness we have seen just cannot be acceptable by any modern book publishing process. Please do something to ensure deadlines are met. Thank you for hearing me out.
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Thank you Jake. I'll wait for your update to learn more. Even though the double items aren't showing they still get counted towards Dynamic pricing correct?
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Daniel Radke said:
I know this has been said quite a few times by many over the years, but as a purchaser of the entire set back in 2011, I have been strongly disappointed by the continuous postponements of volumes being released.
Agree 100%. Below shows a post of Logos' EEC site from 3/22/2011. At that time, 33 volumes had dates, and 32 were to be released by 2017 - 6 1/2 years later! One volume was 2019, and 11 volumes were TBA.
What do we have today? 12. By publication date:
2011 - 2
2012 - 3
2013 - 2
2014 - 1
2015 - 3
2016 - 0
2017 - 1
Per my Library publication dates, ONE volume in the last two years. For a $700 up front purchase. For me, I wish I could get out of this deal. I doubt I'll ever see the entire set completed.
The web page from 3/22/2011:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110322061424/http://www.evangelicalexegeticalcommentary.com/volumes/
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Yikes... I didn't realize it has been that long. Time flies
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Don Awalt said:
Per my Library publication dates, ONE volume in the last two years.
This is a big part of why I expressed my comments and gave my two questions: 1) Is anyone at Faithlife taking the production of this commentary set seriously? 2) Is any Faithlife employee actively in contact with authors prodding them along to finish their volumes?
I really hope the answer to both questions is not no one. If the answer is honestly no one or hardly anyone, can we know that? And can a remedy for it be made a priority?
Maybe this is asking too much, but will someone at Faithlife please give us some honest clarity as to the present level of involvement in getting this commentary set produced? I, and I'm sure many others, would love some clear specifics. We have invested so much for so little return (so far). I still have high hopes for the potential of this series, and I am asking all of these questions in that spirit. I love Faithlife and I want to see the EEC be the success that it should be.
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The About link at the EEC web archive had this to say:
“Most of the top commentary series from the past century have taken two or more decades to complete.”
That article mentions that FL chose “an ambitious publication schedule,” “an unprecedented publication timetable,” with the expectation that “Logos, a digital publication company was able to do what no print publisher could do anymore.”
Perhaps the expectation that many scholars would have already completed their EEC volume was... unrealistic?
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Don Awalt said:
I doubt I'll ever see the entire set completed.
Being 10 months past four score, I hope my grandson—who will inherit my Logos library—will live to see the completion of the set. Not sure how secure that hope is, as he is already 33 [:P]
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I have to wonder if the Amos, Jonah, Micah volume will be release at the end of the month. I think it was originally scheduled for December 2017, pushed back to January 2018 then to March.
We'll see.
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Is it worth buying the set on sale? Even though not many volumes released?
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I bought the set upon its initial release and even though the release dates have changed, I've not regretted my purchase.
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I agree with Ronald. The volumes I own are excellent. I just wish updates were more forthcoming. I look forward to the next update next week
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Keith Pang said:
Is it worth buying the set on sale? Even though not many volumes released?
Some of the volumes can be chosen as your free FL Connect original books. If you can wait to acquire the set, that would be your best option.
The released volumes also appear in some base packages at 90-95% off. That might be more cost-effective than individually buying any specific commentary set.
While commentary sales happen more often, you may want to wait until L8 introductory pricing to get the best discount on a library. (For L7, the introductory combo discount amounted to 34% off for LN members.)
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Mattillo said:
The volumes I own are excellent. I just wish updates were more forthcoming.
I agree with this! [Y]
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What troubles me most about this project in this late into the project there are still a great many volumes that appear not to be being worked on, the number of TBA on the page makes me feel that this set will be well over a decade before it nears completion if not much longer. If we look at WBC ACTS has been worked on for over two decades and is not yet done (unless it is now in editing). Volumes of a high quality take numerous years to write. It is very disheartening to see scholars not even chosen yet for all the future volumes.
-dan
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Does anyone have "1&2 Samuel" or "Philippians" in their libraries from the EEC... it shows both are available. I purchased this whole set in 2015... I cannot get a straight answer from the customer service folks (they are overseas currently... apparently)
And the James commentary (which is in my library) shows to be TBA on the website... but remembering now that it was released and then "withdrawn" for plagiarism.
So... anyone have the Samuel set or Philippians? Or is it just me that has the issue?
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I have both Samuel and Philippians. You are correct that James was pulled, but is going to be rewritten in the future.
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If you purchased the whole set, you should have Samuel and Philippians. You would only have James if you purchased the set prior to its being withdrawn.
Users had the option to "return" their volume of James and would receive some type of compensation. I'm sure what that was because I chose to keep mine. It's my understanding when the new James is released that I will receive that volume and still keep the original one.
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Varner's commentary on James got very good reviews when it came out, I think it's one of the best out there from a conservative viewpoint. It's unfortunate he didn't properly cite some of his sources. But if your not citing from it for academic work, its a great commentary.
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I agree. Varner did an excellent job. I don't know why they couldn't just pull the text and update it instead of canning it. He made the corrections and released it under a different publisher. Whoever logos picks to redo it won't be able to match it in my opinion.
Here is the new book if you want it: https://smile.amazon.com/James-Commentary-Greek-William-Varner/dp/1948048019/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1520709144&sr=8-1&keywords=Varner+James
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On a side note... It would be great if logos could bring that book into their ecosystem so others could enjoy it digitally
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Mattillo said:
On a side note... It would be great if logos could bring that book into their ecosystem so others could enjoy it digitally
Mattillo,
Thanks for mentioning Varner’s commentary. I am the co-founder of Fontes Press, the publisher that brought this back into print, with all the necessary changes that needed to happen. I am also very close with Varner, and I will tell him of your appreciation for his excellent commentary.
I would love to get this back into Logos. Perhaps I should contact them and start a conversation.
Again, thanks for the suggestion.
Cliff
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Clifford B. Kvidahl said:Mattillo said:
On a side note... It would be great if logos could bring that book into their ecosystem so others could enjoy it digitally
Mattillo,
Thanks for mentioning Varner’s commentary. I am the co-founder of Fontes Press, the publisher that brought this back into print, with all the necessary changes that needed to happen. I am also very close with Varner, and I will tell him of your appreciation for his excellent commentary.
I would love to get this back into Logos. Perhaps I should contact them and start a conversation.
Again, thanks for the suggestion.
Cliff
Awesome! I'd be the first to buy it or as close to first as possible
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