Best PC specs
I need to replace my PC. Finally I want a computer that will enable my Logso 7 to work in an ideal fashion.
What specs should I insist on?
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There's a plethora of advice on this:-
- https://community.logos.com/forums/p/142213/900684.aspx -- computer to run Logos smoothly
- https://community.logos.com/forums/p/130777/850148.aspx - new laptop
- https://community.logos.com/forums/t/146959.aspx --> CPU power or multi-threading
- https://community.logos.com/forums/t/127426.aspx ---> Tablet
- https://community.logos.com/forums/p/103461/716341.aspx ---> from 2015, but still relevant
- https://community.logos.com/forums/t/136376.aspx -- Specs
- https://community.logos.com/forums/p/114131/756322.aspx - desktop computer
- https://community.logos.com/forums/p/136797/885621.aspx - MAC v. PC, but still relevant
- https://community.logos.com/forums/t/143675.aspx - Intel vs. AMD processor
- https://community.logos.com/forums/p/140706/898926.aspx - latest AMD processor
If you still have questions then come back here.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Unless you enjoy the shopping process buy the best you can afford. Really.
I run I7 Quad core PCIe Gen3 SSD for OS and logos with 16GB ram and 4GB video. I rarely have to wait for a search to finish or a page to render. I rarely see the progress bars like my prior computer would do. Indexing at startup completes in seconds or a few minutes with lots of changes. I have 2,901 resources. Love it this way.
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To lend some veracity to my opinions, I'll trot out a couple of credentials so that you might gain some level of comfort with these recommendations: I have spent 35 years in Information Technology as both a technician and manager for global networking, deskside and server support, and reaching way back to the days of component level troubleshooting and repair of the first PC motherboards. Finally retiring from IBM as a Senior Global Network Architect. I am conversant in UNIX Scientific/Engineering Workstation and Servers, as well as PC Desktop, etc., etc.
The crucial components for a swiftly responsive Logos experience are:
1. The CPU: There is currently something of a "gas war" between the two leading manufacturers of CPUs (Intel and AMD) that revolves around speed, core count, and the number of threads. All of which is good news for the buyer who can hold on until the Thanksgiving/Christmas buying season because current generation CPU prices will drop as new iterations are introduced and hyped. If you can't wait until then though, you will be pleased with current generation i7 from Intel (I'd avoid the Skylake enthusiast or i9 models because the price/performance gap is too large), or AMD Ryzen. Higher clock speed (GHz) is better, with at least 4 cores. If you want to read up on CPUs, you can start here.
2. The storage device: Your basic choice will between a mechanical hard drive (HDD) or a solid state drive (SDD). Without a doubt, your biggest performance gain will be achieved through selecting an SDD rather than an HDD for your Operating System (OS) and Logos storage. In fact, if your current system doesn't have an SDD today, you may achieve the performance boost you want by simply installing one and placing your OS and Logos on it. The performance increase is that dramatic, and this step may save you a lot of money. For more in-depth reading on the subject, you might start here.
3. Random Access Memory (RAM.) With system memory, more is better. As with everything, however, there is a diminishing return after a certain point. 16GB of RAM is the sweet spot, but 32GB is attractive if you can afford it. Anything above 32GB is for bragging rights, with no tangible benefit for the average Logos user. Here is an article with some answers to how much RAM you need.
I personally use an Alienware 17R2 laptop as my Logos 7 daily driver (With the 64-bit version of Windows 10 Home, an Intel Core i7-4710HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz, 16GB RAM, and a Samsung EVO 256GB SDD and 1TB HDD).
Assuming you will be buying a prebuilt system, the specs for quality "Gamer PCs" are the sweet spot for price/performance, provided you avoid the "enthusiast" models that charge a premium for the very latest features/components that will only give you small iterative increases in performance. Ensure that you purchase a machine that has an excellent service/warranty plan if you aren't into tinkering/fixing/upgrading your own hardware. Others will almost certainly offer their own opinions, and I pray that the resulting discussion will help clarify the criteria for your new system.
"I read dead people..."
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Brother Mark,
Your knowledge is impressive. I'm very familiar with PC's, so you are definitely speaking my language.
My laptop is an HP Spectre x360, with an i7-7560U, 16GB RAM, and 512GB SSD. The CPU is dual-core, and the graphics is integrated (Iris graphics w/Kaby Lake processor but still integrated) and I see very little difference between the performance on my laptop and my desktop.
My desktop sports an i5 quad core processor (Can't recall the exact model right now), with 16GB RAM as well, 256GB SSD for the OS (tons of HDD storage, however), and a Radeon R9 270 graphics card -- not "state of the art," but powerful, to say the least.
One question I have is this: my graphics card in my desktop is a beast just waiting to be unleashed. I don't play video games anymore, and although Logos runs fast and smooth as it is right now, it'd be nice to unleash my graphics card on helping out with processing/rendering Logos. Do you know if there is any way to do this?
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Thank you everyone. The help has been well very helpful!
I am nearing a purchase, but have one question: will spending money on a larger video card help at all with Logos?
My supplier feels that a 2 GB card will suffice. Should I spend the extra for the 4 GB?
I am curren considering a I 7 Core with SDD type hard disk, 16 GB ram, etc.
thanks
Shmuel
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The amount of ram is only one part of the picture when considering a video card
I'm happy with my radeon r9 290 picked it up on sale for 200 a year or so ago.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290-and-290x,3728-2.html
Its basically the same hardware as the 390 but the 390 has a better cooler allowing a little better performance.
Used or on sale they are reasonably priced as well.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Alexander and Shmuel,
You both asked questions about your graphics card requirements with regard to Logos. I'll point you to Faithlife's recommended hardware for Logos here, scroll down when you click the link to see the Video Card or Graphics Processor (GPU) recommendations. Also, take a look at this graphics card buyer's guide for some industry guidance and advice. Personally, I'd buy a Nvidia GTX 1060 or 1070 because of the inflated price bubble that is happening at the moment due to crypto currency and Etherium mining (which has especially affected the cost of Radeon GPUs). A powerful GPU will certainly have a positive impact on your Logos experience, and a budget GPU will negatively impact it.
I think the best advice is to also focus on how Logos will be displayed. In other words, having multiple monitors is beneficial in that you can have lots of things open (Logos, a word processor, a web browser, etc) and displayed at the same time. See this discussion. So, ensure that your video card has multiple display ports to connect more than one monitor.
--Mark
"I read dead people..."
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Brother Mark said:
So, ensure that your video card has multiple display ports to connect more than one monitor.
Yes. but if it doesn't you're not dead yet. Displaylink chip based USB adapters exist that use your existing GPU and funnel the signal through the USB ports in your system. I'm running a laptop that uses them, and even when running video on one (not really recommended) it still performs well.
- Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 430 @ 2.27GHz [yeah I know it's getting old].
- 6GB RAM I max out at 8 and burned up one of my last chips)
- Five Monitors on an integrated ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4670:
- Built in 1600X900
- HP L1740=1280X1024 on my GPU via the VGA socket.
- HP L1740=1280X1024 using a plugable uga-2ka USB adapter.
- one Gateway 22" widescreen monitor vertical at 1050x1680 using a Diamond BVU195 USB adapter
- Dell monitor at 1280x1024 using a MyGica Ushow165 usb adapter.
- 500 GB SSD
Short story: Once you go to multiple monitors, you will have trouble going back to one.
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The more I work with Logos, the less problematic hardware becomes. Other than indexing, there isn't much of an issue with Logos anymore unless you have some very complex detailed work. I wouldn't bother with a video card unless you want to run multiple monitors.If you are running Windows 10, 16GB RAM and a multicore processor like an I7 or AMD equivalent is fine. I'd get a 256GB SSD and a 2 TB harddrive. If you shop around, you can get a good machine for about $700-900 from Dell Lenovo or HP. All these companies offer consumer and business user models. Not much difference, but the consumer models are just fine.
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Bought a HP i 7 with 16 GB and SDS hard disk.
Very Happy. Thanks for all the help. Good price as well.
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Awesome! Do you mind saying which model you bought?
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HP 15 inch,Intel i7-7500U, SSD 256 GB, Radeon 2 GB video card, 16 GB,
Thanks for asking
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That will perform very well. Good choice.
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