A Catholic Introduction to the Old Testament
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Sooo...
This was added to my library last night. By mistake or on purpose, I agreed to the pre-pub price and then forgot about it. Until I found out last night that I had bought it.
I know I have the option to return it, but I am not sure that I want to. When I first saw the purchase, I panicked. I am in debt and I have about 20 items on my wishlist that I could be using right NOW on current projects. But then I settled down and looked again at my long-term goals. I have paid my debt off to zero again and again and again when it was this high, and I have no long-term regrets about any of those choices.
This is an important book to own. Other books on my wishlist are more exchangeable or available through interlibrary loan. I did not plan this, but maybe this is a better plan.
When I was younger, I viewed my life as a lot of mistakes and hardship. Maybe as a coping mechanism or maybe from increased faith or maybe wisdom, I view surprises with expectancy now. I expect for things to make sense in the future and be for good, even if the current moment is uncomfortable or not my first choice.
So in context of all that, I am slow to return this book, even though I don't NEED it TODAY.
Who PLANNED for this book to arrive in their library last night? Who had a HAPPY surprise?
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I was also caught by surprise. Thank God I could afford it. I guess I need to watch my pre-orders more closely.
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I just looked through my orders. I have bought nothing in December. I bought a couple low-level Logos/Verbum 6 libraries in November that were very cheap for me, but I didn't even spend much on those, because I was budgeting for things that I assumed would be offered for sale in December. My assumptions were wrong, so I bought nothing.
I did not expect this to be my December purchase. I guess it does fit into my original budget. It just is not what I was expecting. I guess this OT volume makes a nice pair with my Ignatius NT.
I don't know how to budget pre-pub purchases. I don't want this to happen again. Pre-pubs cannot be saved to a wishlist. I am not sure how to handle all this.
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Kathleen Marie said:
I don't know how to budget pre-pub purchases.
I have $180 on in production Pre-Pubs. With my financial luck they will all be released on the same day! [I can take that hit if I have to]
Read the chapter on Daniel. Saw his take on the 70 weeks (9:24) but found nothing on 1335 days (12:12) 1290 (12:11) nor 2300 (8:14).
Any hints on where to find the Catholic interpolation on those texts?
Kathleen Marie said:I love encyclopedias, especially hardcover ones. I love to open them to a random page and be surprised.
Have you tried FSD in Logos? [Facilitate Serendipitous Discovery: Opens a random resource to a random location.]
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David Ames said:
Have you tried FSD in Logos? [Facilitate Serendipitous Discovery: Opens a random resource to a random location.]
Thanks for the reminder! I heard about it once while very busy and then forgot.
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Okay, since I do have this book, and I don't have what I planned to buy, and I have some upcoming papers due soon, I decided to see what I could do with what I have.
This leads somewhere better than what I planned. I am keeping this book. I also made a couple other small purchases that play nicely with this book, and that I had been putting off, hoping and waiting for what I had originally assumed that I was going to be able to buy. I spent slightly less than what I had budgeted. I am in an entirely unexpected place with my writing, but ... I am excited about the opportunity to write something unexpected.
Now I need to buckle down and study and write!
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David Ames said:
Saw his take on the 70 weeks (9:24) but found nothing on 1335 days (12:12) 1290 (12:11) nor 2300 (8:14).
On page 896, Bergsma and Pitre indicate that certain passages, including 8:14, "are clearly about the reign of Antiochus, down to the details." For interpreting chapter 12, see the descriptive text in the last line of the chart on page 905.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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I have noted one concern about the processing of this resource here: https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-resource-updates/posts/fix-systematic-linking-problem-in-lls-cathintrobblot
I hope Kyle et al. will have it fixed soon. If you vote for it, you'll get a notification once Kyle marks it as having been fixed.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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David Ames said:
Read the chapter on Daniel. Saw his take on the 70 weeks (9:24) but found nothing on 1335 days (12:12) 1290 (12:11) nor 2300 (8:14).
Any hints on where to find the Catholic interpolation on those texts?
From what I read most seem to have some similarities to these:
1 - The specific numbers of days given in vv. 11–12 represent attempts to calculate the precise duration of the three and a half years. Most probably, when the first date (1,290 days) passed, the author attempted another calculation. Another, earlier calculation is preserved in 8:14. It is noteworthy, however, that the contradictory numbers were allowed to stand in the text; this is a reminder that it is not possible to calculate a precise date for God’s judgment; cf. Mark 13:32.
Catherine Upchurch, Irene Nowell, and Ronald D. Witherup, eds., Little Rock Catholic Study Bible, Revised Edition (Little Rock, AR: Little Rock Scripture Study, 2011), 1809.
2 - Now that he has been told what is going to happen, the next passage of the revelation is about the timing of events. The revealer is the same remarkable angel that appeared at the start of the vision (cf. 10:5–6), and the location is the same (cf. 10:4). The message is not communicated directly to Daniel (as the previous one was); it is given to another angel (cf. RSV note h) because it is a mystery that is known only in heaven but to which Daniel is privy. The words “a time, two times, and half a time” (v. 7) imply that the time is short (cf. 7:25). And although Daniel would like to know exactly what the last thing to happen before the end will be, the only answer he is given is a clear call to be faithful in the midst of persecution (vv. 9–10). Still, he is told about two periods of time. The first, of 1290 days, from the date of the profanation of the temple, is one month longer than the three times (years) and a half (1260 days), and this may be saying that, although the time to the end is limited, it will be longer than he thinks. The second period, of 1335 days, mentioned in the context of a beatitude about patience or waiting, involves a month and a half more than the previous one; thus there is a stress on the need for perseverance in this waiting, even if the end is slow in coming. It is possible that mentions of these periods were later additions made to the text after the death of Antiochus IV, because he had died and yet the end had not come. In any case, those who die faithful, as Daniel will, do so hoping in ultimate resurrection. St Irenaeus says that these words were spoken to Daniel “so that he would understand that the promise made to him before (cf. 7:27) referred not to this life, but to eternity” (Adversus haereses, 5, 34, 2).
James Gavigan, Brian McCarthy, and Thomas McGovern, eds., Major Prophets, The Navarre Bible (Dublin; New York: Four Courts Press; Scepter Publishers, 2005), 870.
3 - The issue is clouded by uncertainty as to the method by which the numbers were calculated. Twelve hundred and ninety days is a possible calculation of three and a half years.275 Thirteen hundred and thirty-five days adds forty-five days to this total, an extension of slightly less than seven weeks, still close enough to three and a half years to suggest that it represents a variant calculation.276 It is not enough, however, to say that this figure “is an attempt to make more precise the nature of the three-and-a-half year period,” as if the author were doing multiple calculations for their own sake.277 By far the most convincing explanation was provided by Gunkel in 1895.278 When one predicted number of days had elapsed, a glossator revised the prediction with a higher number.279 It is a well-known fact that groups who make exact predictions do not just give up when the prediction fails to be fulfilled. Instead they find ways to explain the delay.280 One such way was to make a revised (presumably more precise) calculation. The recalculation, however, had to be elicited by something, most probably by the uneventful passage of the first predicted date.
John Joseph Collins and Adela Yarbro Collins, Daniel: A Commentary on the Book of Daniel, ed. Frank Moore Cross, Hermeneia—a Critical and Historical Commentary on the Bible (Minneapolis, MN: Fortress Press, 1993), 400–401.
Jerome said this:
JEROME: He means that one is blessed who waits for 45 days beyond the predetermined number, for it is within that period that our Lord and Savior is to come in his glory. But the reason for the 45 days of inaction after the slaying of the antichrist is a matter that rests in the knowledge of God; unless, of course, we say that the rule of the saints is delayed in order that their patience may be tested. Porphyry explains this passage in the following way: that the 45 days beyond the 1,290 signify the interval of victory over the generals of Antiochus or the period when Judas Maccabeus fought with bravery and cleansed the temple and broke the idol to pieces, offering blood sacrifices in the temple of God. He might have been correct in this statement if the book of Maccabees had recorded that the temple was polluted over a period of three and a half years instead of just three years.26 COMMENTARY ON DANIEL 12.12.27
Kenneth Stevenson and Michael Gluerup, eds., Ezekiel, Daniel, Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2008), 312.
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I am so grateful that FL is starting to get some of the books I need for my seminary studies (although maybe a few years after I've completed the courses they were required for...). Keep it up, FL! Hoping to see a contract with U of Notre Dame Press sometime... so many of their books are important for seminary studies, and most I'd rather own in Verbum than in print.
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Br Damien-Joseph OSB said:
I am so grateful that FL is starting to get some of the books I need for my seminary studies (although maybe a few years after I've completed the courses they were required for...). Keep it up, FL! Hoping to see a contract with U of Notre Dame Press sometime... so many of their books are important for seminary studies, and most I'd rather own in Verbum than in print.
Br. Damien-Joseph,
Which titles from Notre Dame would be the most interesting and useful?
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Notre Dame has a really impressive catalog, I think besides these seminary library texts, getting regular pre-pubs of some of their new publications every year would be a huge boon for Verbum, especially in the fields of faith/reason, Catholic ecclesiology, ethics, 20th century theology, and Eucharistic theology. D.C. Schindler has a few books published under Notre Dame, and so does Matthew Levering, David Bentley Hart, and William Desmond, to name some of the big hitters.
The 3rd edition of Alasdair MacIntyre's After Virtue will be an improvement on the 2nd edition which is currently in Pre-Pub. ND also has MacIntyre's Three Rival Visions of Moral Enquiry which is also important for ethics. Nice supplements to this (not essential, but great to have) would be the MacIntyre Reader (1998) and After MacIntyre (1995). This is not just of Catholic interest, either.
The collected works of Jacques Maritain and Etienne Gilson are published in English under ND. (The Spirit of Medieval Philosophy and The Christian Philosophy of St. Thomas Aquinas should be required at a minimum)
The English edition of Maurice Blondel's thesis Action (1893) is also in ND. (I don't know who publishes the English version of History and Dogma but that would be more important to have in Verbum as well)
The English edition of Sergius Bulgakov's The Eucharistic Sacrifice is required in one of the required theology courses here.
Clarke's The One and the Many: A Contemporary Thomistic Metaphysics was required for a course I took last semester. Explorations in Metaphysics (1995) would be a good supplement to this, I had to pull it from the seminary library for a paper I wrote. Clarke is a highly respected Thomistic philosopher.
Besides Notre Dame, it seems like other publishers that have our seminary books which Logos does not have contracts with are Gracewing (Abbot Jeremy Driscoll's Theology at the Eucharistic Table, Paul Haffner's The Sacramental Mystery, Columba Marmion's Christ the Ideal of the Priest, and Aidan Nicol's Catholic Thought since the Enlightenment are on the short list of must-haves for seminarians), Cambridge (I wouldn't know how to begin making this list, it would be longer than my arm), Hackett (for contemporary English translations of short philosophical works, from Plato and the Epicureans to Aquinas and Anselm to Feuerbach and Freud), and Routledge (Routledge obviously mostly for anthologies and history books--Meister and Stump's Christian Thought, second edition was required last semester though it might be of more interest to Protestant seminarians moving forward). Other than that, keep plumbing CUA, Ignatius, Ave Maria, and Paulist Press and you'll hit our required seminary textbooks. Missing books are typically from those publishers.
And those are just the books I've read in the past two years... I still have four years of seminary and countless more books to go...
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Thank you! That's a great list.
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SineNomine said:
I have noted one concern about the processing of this resource here: https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-resource-updates/posts/fix-systematic-linking-problem-in-lls-cathintrobblot
I hope Kyle et al. will have it fixed soon.
I just want to belatedly note that Kyle did indeed have the issue fixed quickly, for which I am grateful.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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