Logos needs to take advantage of the new iPad Pro
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Tim Nargi said:
My previous post got deleted, but I already use desktop Logos on my iPad Pro. Basically I use the iPad as a second monitor, but I can be in another room. I use the Apple Pencil for highlighting and read my personal books on my iPad. Doesn’t help with traveling but it’s much better than sitting at a desk.
This one is interesting. Which app are you using? I use both Duet and Astropad and the former one should be better in this application.
How touch screen friendly is the macOS Logos on iPad Pro? (I think I briefly tried this before but I don't like it.)
Recent update from Duet gives us hardware acceleration which should gives better rendering experience.
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You can read the post that started it all and it tells exactly what I want. Back when I have a Palm V I had olive tree bible software on it. I gave me 2 panes, one above the other. It was great and wonderful and I used it every day. Now in 2019 we have more power in our mobile devices than people can imagine and I have olive tree, accordance and Logos. all three give me 2 panes, one on top of the other, or side by side. ZERO advancement in the use of screen Realestate. With the size of phones and tables I should be able to get 4 or maybe 6 or "better get ready for this amazing unrealistic request) 8. and how about a few tabs on the screen. Or stay stuck in the 80s with the UI.
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Kolen Cheung said:Tim Nargi said:
My previous post got deleted, but I already use desktop Logos on my iPad Pro. Basically I use the iPad as a second monitor, but I can be in another room. I use the Apple Pencil for highlighting and read my personal books on my iPad. Doesn’t help with traveling but it’s much better than sitting at a desk.
This one is interesting. Which app are you using? I use both Duet and Astropad and the former one should be better in this application.
How touch screen friendly is the macOS Logos on iPad Pro? (I think I briefly tried this before but I don't like it.)
Recent update from Duet gives us hardware acceleration which should gives better rendering experience.
Im using a Luna Display from the makers of Astropad. It is also hardware accelerated and is a dongle that plugs into my mac. The dongle tells macos it is a second display and you can use the Luna App or Astropad over WiFi or Ethernet to send the second display to the iPad. It will also recognize an external iPad keyboard, but not the software iOS keyboard, unless you use Astropad studio. However, you can enable to Mac virtual keyboard and you can run a keyboard with just the tablet that way. Astropad studio will give you a keyboard and a custom workspace where you can map buttons to keyboard shortcuts, and use modifier keys with preset multitouch gestures. This makes the non Touch workspace much easier to navigate. However it does cost extra money for Luna and Astropad studio. I use them for artwork so I repurposed them for Logos.
With the free Luna app, it’s kinda annoying the get around if you don’t have an external iPad keyboard since you have to click with the pencil on the virtual keyboard. But even so, I can still highlight and read my personal books and anything else on my couch, on my deck, anywhere besides my desk. Luna is fast and gives me retina resolution of my Mac on my iPad. The dongle is $70 or so.
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Furthermore, I can use Logos desktop from my iPad without ever touching my mac even if it’s sleeping or locked. I run a shortcut on iOS to wake my mac and input my password, which then logs into my machine, and auto launches Logos and Astropad. Then I launch Astropad on my iPad and I’m in. Never have to touch the Mac.
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Dr. Michael Wilson said:
You can read the post that started it all and it tells exactly what I want. Back when I have a Palm V I had olive tree bible software on it. I gave me 2 panes, one above the other. It was great and wonderful and I used it every day. Now in 2019 we have more power in our mobile devices than people can imagine and I have olive tree, accordance and Logos. all three give me 2 panes, one on top of the other, or side by side. ZERO advancement in the use of screen Realestate. With the size of phones and tables I should be able to get 4 or maybe 6 or "better get ready for this amazing unrealistic request) 8. and how about a few tabs on the screen. Or stay stuck in the 80s with the UI.
I agree with the need of multi pane, but my understanding of the original post is that it's asking much more (not feature parity with those you named but more like feature parity with desktop Logos.)
It's too harsh to say that it is stuck in the 80s in UI design because even as someone who haven't used any UI in the 80s I can assure you UI in the 80's ain't like this. In terms of UI experience, Accordance on iOS is worse IMHO. That's more like pre iOS 7 design and at least Logos is abiding to modern design (eg scaling on iPhone X like device.)
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Recently Duet also gained hardware acceleration, but I don't have the Luna hardware so I haven't compared them.
The wireless capability of Luna always intrigue me but I've heard that isn't reliable on some WiFi situation. Eg have you tried using it under public WiFi (often throttled) or enterprise WiFi (often limit how devices might communicate with each other), etc.? And how's your experience or how to get around issues like this?
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Kolen Cheung said:
Recently Duet also gained hardware acceleration, but I don't have the Luna hardware so I haven't compared them.
The wireless capability of Luna always intrigue me but I've heard that isn't reliable on some WiFi situation. Eg have you tried using it under public WiFi (often throttled) or enterprise WiFi (often limit how devices might communicate with each other), etc.? And how's your experience or how to get around issues like this?
ive never had a problem on enterprise networks. Never tried public networks. But if you’re on poor WiFi, you can just plug the iPad in with a cable and still use Luna.
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And see, Apple is getting the hint:
macOS 10.15 Said to Feature 'Luna Display-Like' Desktop Extension Functionality
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I have used and reviewed both Luna and Duet. If you want to use wireless you will need to be on a WiFi network that allows two devices to see one another. Most public WiFi hotspots won't let you do that. However, the wired connection between Mac and iPad with Duet is best option for that situation. First, you only need to plug one thing into your Mac and it works well. Second, a cable and Duet is cheaper than a Luna and a cable.
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I have been using the iPad pro 12.9 since February. I regularly write my sermons using Logos on the iPad. I need to use the web app to do so (which is not ideal). I will typically have safari with app.logos loaded in desktop form then i can use the other half of the screen for looking at other books Or notes. Using the app.logos from safari adds some features of the desktop version, but is not necessarily ideal. I still use my computer at times.
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Steve Hull said:
I have been using the iPad pro 12.9 since February. I regularly write my sermons using Logos on the iPad. I need to use the web app to do so (which is not ideal). I will typically have safari with app.logos loaded in desktop form then i can use the other half of the screen for looking at other books Or notes. Using the app.logos from safari adds some features of the desktop version, but is not necessarily ideal. I still use my computer at times.
It looks like PadOS 13 will support having two copies of Logos open on your iPad in separate tabs.
I really do hope that Logos will put more effort into supporting some of the unique power of the iPad especially the Pencil. I find that the easiest and most pleasurable device to do my reading on is my iPad.
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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Any updates to this? I saw where the desktop version now has pen support for notes.
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Please please please make this happen!
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I’m running the PadOS beta on my iPad Pro and I am unable to open two copies of Logos at the same time. I was really looking forward to this and hopefully it will be added soon.
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David Franks said:
I’m running the PadOS beta on my iPad Pro and I am unable to open two copies of Logos at the same time. I was really looking forward to this and hopefully it will be added soon.
I was looking forward to public release of iOS 13 for iPad on 9/24 so I could run side-by-side. That's not functioning right now? Bummer
Jacob Hantla
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Jarred Pettijohn said:
Any updates to this? I saw where the desktop version now has pen support for notes.
‘This needs to happen for iOS soon.Where does it say it has pen support?
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Tim Nargi said:Jarred Pettijohn said:
Any updates to this? I saw where the desktop version now has pen support for notes.
‘This needs to happen for iOS soon.Where does it say it has pen support?
I am not aware of any place that it does.
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Totally agree. I really hope they update it soon to take advantage of the new multi-tasking. On the old version I could run Logos side by side with other apps but now that doesn't even work. Update soon I hope.
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David Franks said:
I’m running the PadOS beta on my iPad Pro and I am unable to open two copies of Logos at the same time. I was really looking forward to this and hopefully it will be added soon.
As a workaround that has always been able to work, you can open Logos and then one of their other apps (like Faithlife Study Bible or Faithlife eBooks) in another side-by-side window. This way you can run two separate, slightly different versions of the app simultaneously.
Jacob Hantla
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Scott Dyer said:
Totally agree. I really hope they update it soon to take advantage of the new multi-tasking. On the old version I could run Logos side by side with other apps but now that doesn't even work. Update soon I hope.
This is working for me - are you still having problems with it?
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I am considering getting one of the new iPads, Do you think it's got enough juice to run two copies of Logos or does one need the Pro to make it fly?
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I don’t think you can run two logos instances side by side yet.
just give me Pencil support please!!
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All I can day after having the new iPad Pro 12.9 (2020) is YES! I extensively use Logos for seminary and now through my doctorate and when preaching i use my old iPad. But the new iPad opens the door for so much more. I will rarely use my MacBook Pro (2015) moving forward, but i guess for the full version of Logos we can always use the web-based version correct?
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The web based version is not the full version of Logos. Many features are still to come on it.
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I try to live in the web app as much as I can. But you can't even do simple things like edit prayer list or reading plans in the web app. So I end up having to pull our my old 2015 MacBook 12" and boot it up, and find power cause its battery isn't holding a charge, then boot up Logos Desktop make the small change then shut it all down. Can't edit Reading Plans on mobile either.
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Oh pretty please can we have apple pencil support?!
I need a good reason to keep my apple pencil [:D]
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If your 2015 supports Sidecar, you never have to open your MacBook again and technically you can have full fledged Logos on your iPad.
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Unfortunately mine does not.
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If you wanted you could get a Luna display dongle and then the free app.
itll do the same thing and is actually a bit faster.
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Totally agree. Plus, I wrote logos a couple of time on this issue, and never got I real feedback other than : "You are welcome to suggest features for the mobile app at https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-mobile-app and we can look into your feature suggestion for the app!" Which I did... so, please... it looks they need more people to tell them
It seems that it has been suggested since a few years already. So, let's keep hoping..........0 -
Ben Guillot said:
Totally agree. Plus, I wrote logos a couple of time on this issue, and never got I real feedback other than : "You are welcome to suggest features for the mobile app at https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-mobile-app and we can look into your feature suggestion for the app!" Which I did... so, please... it looks they need more people to tell them
It seems that it has been suggested since a few years already. So, let's keep hoping..........Thanks for keeping this in front of Faithlife. Could you imagine in Logos 10 was primarily focused at updating for mobile taking advantage of iPad Pro and Apple Pencil?
Jacob Hantla
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Jacob Hantla said:
Could you imagine in Logos 10 was primarily focused at updating for mobile taking advantage of iPad Pro and Apple Pencil?
Yes. I would ignore it completely. [:P]
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