Logos needs to take advantage of the new iPad Pro

It is sad that they chose to go with the subscription model. I just want to buy books and be done with it. I see no reason that a book reader should have a subscription

If you don’t find Connect worthwhile, you can ignore it and purchase outright as before. Kindle offers a subscription service that I doubt I’ll ever use, but I find the free books/Mobile Ed rental etc makes it a great deal for me.

It is sad that they chose to go with the subscription model. I just want to buy books and be done with it. I see no reason that a book reader should have a subscription

Bob P. has repeatedly said they won’t go to sub ONLY. So you can always buy books and keep them, unless they are being dishonest.

Since the iPad Pro has been out a little while, curious how those of you with it are enjoying logos on it now That some time has passed

Since the iPad Pro has been out a little while, curious how those of you with it are enjoying logos on it now That some time has passed

I'm not really using it....like others have said, It's like using a Kindle or other reader and has minimal features. But I'm glad I have access to all the books! I'm happy overall so not complaining!

Robert

logos can start by giving 4 panes.  I used to have a palm device and I would run olive tree on it. Olive tree have me 2 panes and no Bible software has advanced beyond that, in all these years.  That is my major complaint with everyone.  Olive tree, Accordance and Logos are all stuck and these is no reason that we can’t have a little itty bitty bit more

In case no one has mentioned this yet, there's a way to get around this.

Since there's a couple of Logos clones, namely Logos, Faithlife study Bible, ebooks, Noet.

You can choose 3 of these. Open 2 of them side by side, and than 1 "floating" on the right. Where each gives you 2 panes. So you can have 6 lanes on the display at once.

Or, you can have a "multi virtual desktop" experience. On 1 split screen, choose 2 apps from above. In another split screen, choose 2 apps from above. Now you have each "virtual desktop" having 4 panes and you can use multitasking gesture to get between them.

The limitation is those pane aren't sync'd, and resources download separately. So you need to be prepared on what kind of resources you want from which part of the screens.

But this method is faster to switch around then the native Logos method (that you touch the middle button to show up a virtual spaces and choose resources from there.)

When you use long enough sometimes you'll forgot about this is a trick until you found yourself confused that changing settings on one side doesn't affect the other, etc.

One could say so, but on the other hand, I don’t see they‘re going to change that. suggestions like this has been suggested when the iPad first shipped (amazingly Logos has an iPad app first the first day iPad is available.)

(And the having a few Logos clone means the side by side method can be used for the same Logos resources, not Logos plus something else. It can be quite useful in some other ways too. Eg I have the Noet app doing the job of a dictionary app where I have some English dictionaries opened and when I need to look up words I can open the Noet app and search immediately (just like any other dict app.) ebooks app for reading plans, have a certain book always ready to be read.)

The only thing really changed since Logos provided iPad app is the screen size and computation power on the iPad (I agree better Apple pencil support is needed, which is a different matter than having a Logos desktop clone available on the iPad.)

But even 12.9” is quite limited (I use it every day for reading, it is not large enough once one starts to partition it.) Even on a 13”/15” MacBook Pro, the screen is not large enough and an external monitor is often needed (in fact my first dual monitor set up is because of Logos.)

And there’s so much misconception around the computational power of iPad comparing to MacBook Pro. People often claim it is as fast or fastest than MacBook Pro. But what does it mean? I wonder for the people quoting that fact, has they look into what algorithms is used in that benchmark and what implication is that (hint: they all involves simple instructions that makes ARM and x86’s difference largely irrelevant)? And also the multi-core score that many people focused on is quite irrelevant for most cases. First, the Hetero-structure of the cores (namely some faster and slower scores used simultaneously) is very difficult to be used efficiently in real world situation. Second, for many perceived responsiveness doesn't quite involved parallel processing; and there's parallelization overhead, that if a certain task isn't long enough the overhead of parallelization will actually slow things down.

I'm not saying I don't dream about having everything doable on the iPad Pro (and I envy those that Logos is the last app they need for that to happen.) But it's just a dream, a nice wish list item, but realistically/practically it just won't happen (I didn't even mention the difficulty around software difference where Mark has briefly mentioned above.) Much of the friction is actually imposed by Apple. They decided unification is not the best experience and the consequence of it is that iPad and Mac needs to coexist, not only to Apple but to the end users as well. I started getting used to the fact that every time I travel I have an iPad Pro and 15" MacBook Pro put side by side hurting my back. (Last I tried to join the unification train it's a complete disaster. Another story for another day.)

One could say so, but on the other hand, I don’t see they‘re going to change that. suggestions like this has been suggested when the iPad first shipped (amazingly Logos has an iPad app first the first day iPad is available.)

(And the having a few Logos clone means the side by side method can be used for the same Logos resources, not Logos plus something else. It can be quite useful in some other ways too. Eg I have the Noet app doing the job of a dictionary app where I have some English dictionaries opened and when I need to look up words I can open the Noet app and search immediately (just like any other dict app.) ebooks app for reading plans, have a certain book always ready to be read.)

The only thing really changed since Logos provided iPad app is the screen size and computation power on the iPad (I agree better Apple pencil support is needed, which is a different matter than having a Logos desktop clone available on the iPad.)

But even 12.9” is quite limited (I use it every day for reading, it is not large enough once one starts to partition it.) Even on a 13”/15” MacBook Pro, the screen is not large enough and an external monitor is often needed (in fact my first dual monitor set up is because of Logos.)

And there’s so much misconception around the computational power of iPad comparing to MacBook Pro. People often claim it is as fast or fastest than MacBook Pro. But what does it mean? I wonder for the people quoting that fact, has they look into what algorithms is used in that benchmark and what implication is that (hint: they all involves simple instructions that makes ARM and x86’s difference largely irrelevant)? And also the multi-core score that many people focused on is quite irrelevant for most cases. First, the Hetero-structure of the cores (namely some faster and slower scores used simultaneously) is very difficult to be used efficiently in real world situation. Second, for many perceived responsiveness doesn't quite involved parallel processing; and there's parallelization overhead, that if a certain task isn't long enough the overhead of parallelization will actually slow things down.

I'm not saying I don't dream about having everything doable on the iPad Pro (and I envy those that Logos is the last app they need for that to happen.) But it's just a dream, a nice wish list item, but realistically/practically it just won't happen (I didn't even mention the difficulty around software difference where Mark has briefly mentioned above.) Much of the friction is actually imposed by Apple. They decided unification is not the best experience and the consequence of it is that iPad and Mac needs to coexist, not only to Apple but to the end users as well. I started getting used to the fact that every time I travel I have an iPad Pro and 15" MacBook Pro put side by side hurting my back. (Last I tried to join the unification train it's a complete disaster. Another story for another day.)

iOS 13 may change some of this 

My previous post got deleted, but I already use desktop Logos on my iPad Pro. Basically I use the iPad as a second monitor, but I can be in another room. I use the Apple Pencil for highlighting and read my personal books on my iPad. Doesn’t help with traveling but it’s much better than sitting at a desk.

My previous post got deleted, but I already use desktop Logos on my iPad Pro. Basically I use the iPad as a second monitor, but I can be in another room. I use the Apple Pencil for highlighting and read my personal books on my iPad. Doesn’t help with traveling but it’s much better than sitting at a desk.

This one is interesting. Which app are you using? I use both Duet and Astropad and the former one should be better in this application.

How touch screen friendly is the macOS Logos on iPad Pro? (I think I briefly tried this before but I don't like it.)

Recent update from Duet gives us hardware acceleration which should gives better rendering experience.

My previous post got deleted, but I already use desktop Logos on my iPad Pro. Basically I use the iPad as a second monitor, but I can be in another room. I use the Apple Pencil for highlighting and read my personal books on my iPad. Doesn’t help with traveling but it’s much better than sitting at a desk.

This one is interesting. Which app are you using? I use both Duet and Astropad and the former one should be better in this application.

How touch screen friendly is the macOS Logos on iPad Pro? (I think I briefly tried this before but I don't like it.)

Recent update from Duet gives us hardware acceleration which should gives better rendering experience.

Im using a Luna Display from the makers of Astropad. It is also hardware accelerated and is a dongle that plugs into my mac. The dongle tells macos it is a second display and you can use the Luna App or Astropad over WiFi or Ethernet to send the second display to the iPad. It will also recognize an external iPad keyboard, but not the software iOS keyboard, unless you use Astropad studio. However, you can enable to Mac virtual keyboard and you can run a keyboard with just the tablet that way. Astropad studio will give you a keyboard and a custom workspace where you can map buttons to keyboard shortcuts, and use modifier keys with preset multitouch gestures. This makes the non Touch workspace much easier to navigate. However it does cost extra money for Luna and Astropad studio. I use them for artwork so I repurposed them for Logos. 

With the free Luna app, it’s kinda annoying the get around if you don’t have an external iPad keyboard since you have to click with the pencil on the virtual keyboard. But even so, I can still highlight and read my personal books and anything else on my couch, on my deck, anywhere besides my desk. Luna is fast and gives me retina resolution of my Mac on my iPad. The dongle is $70 or so.

You can read the post that started it all and it tells exactly what I want. Back when I have a Palm V I had olive tree bible software on it. I gave me 2 panes, one above the other. It was great and wonderful and I used it every day. Now in 2019 we have more power in our mobile devices than people can imagine and I have olive tree, accordance and Logos. all three give me 2 panes, one on top of the other, or side by side. ZERO advancement in the use of screen Realestate. With the size of phones and tables I should be able to get 4 or maybe 6 or "better get ready for this amazing unrealistic request) 8. and how about a few tabs on the screen. Or stay stuck in the 80s with the UI.

I agree with the need of multi pane, but my understanding of the original post is that it's asking much more (not feature parity with those you named but more like feature parity with desktop Logos.)

It's too harsh to say that it is stuck in the 80s in UI design because even as someone who haven't used any UI in the 80s I can assure you UI in the 80's ain't like this. In terms of UI experience, Accordance on iOS is worse IMHO. That's more like pre iOS 7 design and at least Logos is abiding to modern design (eg scaling on iPhone X like device.)

Recently Duet also gained hardware acceleration, but I don't have the Luna hardware so I haven't compared them.

The wireless capability of Luna always intrigue me but I've heard that isn't reliable on some WiFi situation. Eg have you tried using it under public WiFi (often throttled) or enterprise WiFi (often limit how devices might communicate with each other), etc.? And how's your experience or how to get around issues like this?

ive never had a problem on enterprise networks. Never tried public networks. But if you’re on poor WiFi, you can just plug the iPad in with a cable and still use Luna. 

I have used and reviewed both Luna and Duet. If you want to use wireless you will need to be on a WiFi network that allows two devices to see one another. Most public WiFi hotspots won't let you do that. However, the wired connection between Mac and iPad with Duet is best option for that situation. First, you only need to plug one thing into your Mac and it works well. Second, a cable and Duet is cheaper than a Luna and a cable.