THEOLOGY GUIDE NEEDS WORK
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I hope the theology guide will work with multiple forms of the same resource.
This request is actually a lot bigger deal than many realize. There are quite a number of multiple-version resources, and even more resources in multiple editions.
I hope your wish is recognized for its importance by the FL folks.
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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This request is actually a lot bigger deal than many realize. There are quite a number of multiple-version resources, and even more resources in multiple editions.
I would be surprised if it were not as it is the general practice to link through milestones/datatypes where they are available. Where the problem occurs is where the resource is indexed by page number and a new edition is released.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I hope the theology guide will work with multiple forms of the same resource. For example, when Calvin's institutes are tagged and aligned with the guide I won't need to have a specific version (eg. Battles, etc.) in order to make use of the guide. Similarly, if/when the Westminster Confession/catechisms are tagged, the tags will work with all available versions and not just the one in the Platinum base package.
Please :-)
For resources that have their own data type (like Calvin's Institutes), it should work with multiple editions.
This list of data types looks fairly recent. If you see an issue once this next round of updates are released, let us know and we'll see what we can do about it.
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For resources that have their own data type (like Calvin's Institutes), it should work with multiple editions.
This list of data types looks fairly recent. If you see an issue once this next round of updates are released, let us know and we'll see what we can do about it.
Thanks Sean! :-D
Carpe verbum.
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Quick Update:
On Monday, March 18th we're shipping an update to the LSTO data base. It will include new LSTO alignments for 15 resources:
The Church (Bloesch)
The Church (Clowney)
Eschatology, or the Catholic Doctrine of the Last Things (Pohle)
Foundations of the Christian Faith (Boice)
God: His Knowability, Essence, and Attributes, A Dogmatic Treatise (Pohle)
Understanding Theology, Volume One (Kendall)
Understanding Theology, Volume Two (Kendall)
The Last Things (Bloesch)
Mariology (Pohle)
The Person of Christ (Macleod)
The Providence of God (Helm)
The Revelation of God (Jensen)
Soteriology: A Dogmatic Treatise on the Redemption (Pohle)
Epilogue (von Balthasar)
The Work of Christ (Letham)April 1st Plan:
- We have new LSTO alignments for 12 more resources that are basically ready to go but didn't quite make the shipping cut-off. They will be in the April 1 update.
- We have additional new LSTO alignments for 55 more resources that are scheduled to be finished next week.
- I'm hoping all 55 can be processed by the cut-off for April 1 but I will keep you updated as we get closer to the April 1.
General Notes:
- The 82 resources receiving LSTO annotations are the Systematic Theology resource type resources that are found in top-of-the-line Logos 8 base packages for the standard track and Verbum.
- We've approved production for the remainder of systematic theology resources in our library. They will be delivered in regular updates through the remainder of 2019 though I'm targeting an early Fall finish.
- For all new Systematic Theology resources we will be performing LSTO annotation as a part of their production. However due to system constraints and shipping schedules there may be a one-week lag between when the resource ships and when it appears in the data base.
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This sounds like a solid plan Kyle. Thanks for the update and the tentative timelines.
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On Monday, March 18th we're shipping an update to the LSTO data base.
I do not have the Theology Guide, but I am finding it much more enticing with more within it.
I am keeping a list of volumes utilized within this Guide.
What were the first 5 books systemized this way? Could some one please provide a list?
Thank you so much.
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- Packer, J. I. Concise Theology: A Guide to Historic Christian Beliefs. Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House, 1993.
- Ryrie, Charles Caldwell. Basic Theology: A Popular Systematic Guide to Understanding Biblical Truth. Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 1999.
- Hodge, Charles. Systematic Theology. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997.
- Strong, Augustus Hopkins. Systematic Theology. Philadelphia: American Baptist Publication Society, 1907.
- Berkhof, L. Systematic Theology. Grand Rapids, MI: Wm. B. Eerdmans publishing co., 1938.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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- Packer, J. I. Concise Theology: A Guide to Historic Christian Beliefs. Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House, 1993.
- Ryrie, Charles Caldwell. Basic Theology: A Popular Systematic Guide to Understanding Biblical Truth. Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 1999.
- Hodge, Charles. Systematic Theology. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997.
- Strong, Augustus Hopkins. Systematic Theology. Philadelphia: American Baptist Publication Society, 1907.
- Berkhof, L. Systematic Theology. Grand Rapids, MI: Wm. B. Eerdmans publishing co., 1938.
Thank you so very much for this information, MJ. I pasted it in with the soon coming list above. I will watch + see how FL + my money goes.
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Thanks for the update, Kyle.
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I wanted to let you know that we're currently in the process of annotating a large batch of Systematic Theology resources.
Will Wayne Grudem's Christian Ethics (which is shipping 3/28) come integrated?
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Will Wayne Grudem's Christian Ethics (which is shipping 3/28) come integrated?
FL staff would have to give a definitive answer, but I don't think so. As it stands at present, the Lexham Survey of Theology doesn't seem to include ethical categories, and I doubt they'd expand it as would be necessary to include such a work.
General speaking, Christian ethics is considered a subordinate discipline of theology, but many (most?) works of systematics include little, if any, formal exposition of ethics.
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FL staff would have to give a definitive answer, but I don't think so. As it stands at present, the Lexham Survey of Theology doesn't seem to include ethical categories, and I doubt they'd expand it as would be necessary to include such a work.
General speaking, Christian ethics is considered a subordinate discipline of theology, but many (most?) works of systematics include little, if any, formal exposition of ethics.
Thanks, Sean. That makes sense.
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Will Wayne Grudem's Christian Ethics (which is shipping 3/28) come integrated?
FL staff would have to give a definitive answer, but I don't think so. As it stands at present, the Lexham Survey of Theology doesn't seem to include ethical categories, and I doubt they'd expand it as would be necessary to include such a work.
General speaking, Christian ethics is considered a subordinate discipline of theology, but many (most?) works of systematics include little, if any, formal exposition of ethics.
Systematic Theology typically includes the following categories classically:
- Prolegomena
- Theology Proper
- Bibliology
- Christology
- Pneumatology
- Soteriology
- Anthropology
- Angelology
- Demonology
- Hamartiology
- Ecclesiology
- Eschatology
Logos also identifies several additional categories:
- Exegesis
- Theologians
- Traditions
- Other
The other category is the only one that ethics might fall into but traditionally it is not part of Systematic Theology.
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Quick Update:
On Monday, March 18th we're shipping an update to the LSTO data base. It will include new LSTO alignments for 15 resources:
The Church (Bloesch)
The Church (Clowney)
Eschatology, or the Catholic Doctrine of the Last Things (Pohle)
Foundations of the Christian Faith (Boice)
God: His Knowability, Essence, and Attributes, A Dogmatic Treatise (Pohle)
Understanding Theology, Volume One (Kendall)
Understanding Theology, Volume Two (Kendall)
The Last Things (Bloesch)
Mariology (Pohle)
The Person of Christ (Macleod)
The Providence of God (Helm)
The Revelation of God (Jensen)
Soteriology: A Dogmatic Treatise on the Redemption (Pohle)
Epilogue (von Balthasar)
The Work of Christ (Letham)The dataset for these resources has downloaded. It is good to see progress.
Looking over the guide, I have a couple points.
First, navigating the topics in a locus is not easy. If I open ecclesiology or the doctrine of the church, there's no easy way to navigate to the subtopics within the guide. I would think that I could click on the points in the ontology tree, but all that does is open the image in media. If I start with a subtopic, such as the attributes of the church, I can navigate the tree easier, but clicking on another topic opens another instance of the Theology Guide. That is not desired behavior; it should jump to the new location in the same window.
Second, I don't understand the repetition of the "Systematic Theologies" section. Clicking the add button adds another copy; I don't see the purpose behind that. But even without clicking it, the section is showing up twice in the guide:
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I would think that I could click on the points in the ontology tree,
I can go up the ontological tree from the crumb trail in the Topic section. I haven't found a way to navigate down.
Clicking the add button adds another copy; I don't see the purpose behind that
It allows you to have multiple copies running off personal subcollections - so I might set up 3 - one for Catholic/Orthodox, one for Anglican/Lutheran, one for everything else.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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It allows you to have multiple copies running off personal subcollections - so I might set up 3 - one for Catholic/Orthodox, one for Anglican/Lutheran, one for everything else.
Oh, I see this now! The settings pulldown doesn't show up unless you hover over it. Thanks, MJ.
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So where does
Israelology
Fit in this scheme?
Shalom
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So where does
Israelology
Fit in this scheme?
Shalom
Israelology typically isn't a category in traditional systematics. Some dispensational works may have it as a formal locus, perhaps between anthropology-hamartiology (sin) and Christology. Others might discuss it under covenants in the same or a nearby area, or might address it tangentially in ecclesiology or eschatology.
ETA: Bringing it on topic, I see that the Theology Guide does not have a section on Israelology. It does have a category for covenants with articles on each of the biblical covenants. Interestingly, I'm seeing a few other works aligned, titles other than the original 5 and the ones added in today's update. Under covenants we have this one:
Witsius, H., 1837. The Economy of the Covenants between God and Man: Comprehending a Complete Body of Divinity, London: T. Tegg & Son.
which of course I didn't even know I had.
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First, navigating the topics in a locus is not easy. If I open ecclesiology or the doctrine of the church, there's no easy way to navigate to the subtopics within the guide. I would think that I could click on the points in the ontology tree, but all that does is open the image in media. If I start with a subtopic, such as the attributes of the church, I can navigate the tree easier, but clicking on another topic opens another instance of the Theology Guide. That is not desired behavior; it should jump to the new location in the same window.
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We've discussed using the diagram for navigating to subtopics, but there are technical issues that make that difficult, so we haven't tackled that yet. The best current workaround is to open the corresponding article in the Lexham Survey of Theology, where the table of contents sidebar makes it easy to navigate to a subtopic (and then back again to the Theology Guide if desired). But I recognize that better navigate to subtopics within the Guide would be an improvement.
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On Monday, April 1st the LSTO data base will be updated with annotations for an additional 39 resources:
A Contemporary Anabaptist Theology: Biblical, Historical, Constructive (Finger)
A Manual of Catholic Theology: Based on Scheeben’s “Dogmatik”, Vol. I (Wilhelm; Scannell)
A Manual of Catholic Theology: Based on Scheeben’s “Dogmatik”, Vol. II (Wilhelm; Scannell)
Christian Combat; Faith, Hope and Charity (Augustine of Hippo)
Christology: A Dogmatic Treatise on the Incarnation (Pohle)
Creator Spirit (von Balthasar)
Foundations of Systematic Theology (Guarino)
God: The Author of Nature and the Supernatural (Pohle)
Grace, Actual and Habitual: A Dogmatic Treatise (Pohle)
Introduction to Christianity (Revised Edition) (Ratzinger)
Introductory Volume to Systematic Theology (Berkhof)
Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers 2.9
Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers 2.9 (CE)
Outlines of Dogmatic Theology (Hunter)
Saint John of Damascus: Writings
Spirit and Institution (von Balthasar)
Spouse of the Word (von Balthasar)
Summa Doctrinae Christianae, Volume 1 (Canisius)
Summa Doctrinae Christianae, Volume 2 (Canisius)
Systematic Theology (Thiselton)
The Divine Trinity: A Dogmatic Treatise (Pohle)
The Doctrine of God (Bray)
The Doctrine of Humanity (Sherlock)
The Faith of Catholics (James Waterworth and Thomas J. Capel)
The Holy Spirit (Ferguson)
The Sacraments: A Dogmatic Treatise, Volume 1 (Pohle)
The Sacraments: A Dogmatic Treatise, Volume 2 (Pohle)
The Sacraments: A Dogmatic Treatise, Volume 3 (Pohle)
The Sacraments: A Dogmatic Treatise, Volume 4 (Pohle)
The Word Made Flesh (von Balthasar)
Theo-Drama, Volume 1: Prolegomena (von Balthasar)
Theo-Drama, Volume 2: Dramatis Personae: Man in God (von Balthasar)
Theo-Drama, Volume 3: Dramatis Personae: Persons in Christ (von Balthasar)
Theo-Drama, Volume 4: The Action (von Balthasar)
Theo-Drama, Volume 5: The Last Act (von Balthasar)
Theo-Logic, Volume 1: The Truth of the World (von Balthasar)
Theo-Logic, Volume 2: Truth of God (von Balthasar)
Theo-Logic, Volume 3: The Spirit of the Truth (von Balthasar)
Understanding Theology, Volume Three (Kendall)We've got annotations for another 25 titles that are done but didn't make the cut-off for the update on Monday. I hope to have all of those finalized and part of an update that will go out on Monday, April 15th.
By that time I should have more information about when the rest of the Systematic Theology resource types will be finished. My hunch is that we'll continue to annotate approximately 50-75 resources a month until the project is finished.
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Thank you Kyle and team for your diligent work!
Perhaps a question out of ignorance: How do we see the richness that's now being added to the Theology Guide through this tagging work?
From what I can tell (from a cursory look), this additional annotation work primarily enhances the "Systematic Theologies" section of the Theology Guide, and does not enhance the other sections, is that correct?
Is the LST itself being enhanced / expanded as more Systematic Theologies are being parsed?
Peter
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Thank you Kyle and team for your diligent work!
Perhaps a question out of ignorance: How do we see the richness that's now being added to the Theology Guide through this tagging work?
From what I can tell (from a cursory look), this additional annotation work primarily enhances the "Systematic Theologies" section of the Theology Guide, and does not enhance the other sections, is that correct?
Is the LST itself being enhanced / expanded as more Systematic Theologies are being parsed?
Peter
You're correct: these additional resources will enhance the Systematic Theologies section of the Theology Guide. We're not currently expanding to new concepts.
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I apologize but there won't be an update to the Theology Guide today. In converting the data base there was a bug that I wasn't able to get resolved in time.
I intend to have an update in two weeks. Thank you for your patience.
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Thanks for the work all of you are doing on this. I just finished trying the "Workflow Guide for Exploring Christian Doctrine" based on the article by Dr. Ward in the March/April BSM. I wanted to do comparisons of several doctrines from various denominations. I tried to reference several other Theologies & Dogmatics in my library without success. The only ones that came up seemed to be from a Baptist or Reformed background. I would love to see a way to bring other references from my library into this guide.
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Thanks for the work all of you are doing on this. I just finished trying the "Workflow Guide for Exploring Christian Doctrine" based on the article by Dr. Ward in the March/April BSM. I wanted to do comparisons of several doctrines from various denominations. I tried to reference several other Theologies & Dogmatics in my library without success. The only ones that came up seemed to be from a Baptist or Reformed background. I would love to see a way to bring other references from my library into this guide.
Jim:
Our goal is to annotate all the systematic theology resources that Logos publishes so that they're integrated into the Theology Guide. So eventually this will organize the different resources you own against the doctrines covered in the Theology Guide. It will take us some time to reach that goal, however. Also note that we're not currently annotating denominational positions on particular doctrines, though in many cases that will follow from the denominational flavor of the resource as a whole.
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Thanks
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Rather than continue to post lists of resources that have been annotated I created a new thread to provide that information. You can find it here.
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It kind of makes me wonder that I have zero entries on the word "hope"
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