Thoughts on Logos 9 Arrival?
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My question is....Do we really have nothing better to do than try and figure out when L9 is coming out?
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David Taylor Jr said:
My question is....Do we really have nothing better to do than try and figure out when L9 is coming out?
Nope [;)]
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David Taylor Jr said:
My question is....Do we really have nothing better to do than try and figure out when L9 is coming out?
Vote!
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Hey, I got paid for the month (I’m retired). Where’s Logos 9 [;)]
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Maybe like Windows they will skip 9 and go to 10!
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I can officially confirm that Logos 9 will be released.
Unless it's not.
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David Taylor Jr said:
My question is....Do we really have nothing better to do than try and figure out when L9 is coming out?
I can’t speak for FL but I’d i were running a software company I’d be happy with the chatter about an upcoming software release. It’s not for everyone to participate in these sort of threads I understand, so my question is don’t you have anything better to do than throw a wet blanket on others enthusiasm?
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Throw a dry one and escalate the fire?DIsciple II said:David Taylor Jr said:My question is....Do we really have nothing better to do than try and figure out when L9 is coming out?
I can’t speak for FL but I’d i were running a software company I’d be happy with the chatter about an upcoming software release. It’s not for everyone to participate in these sort of threads I understand, so my question is don’t you have anything better to do than throw a wet blanket on others enthusiasm?
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Except there is no fire to escalate, there is only people looking forward to something new. It’s a good thing there is interest in Logos 9 despite your personal take.
David Taylor Jr said:
Throw a dry one and escalate the fire?DIsciple II said:David Taylor Jr said:My question is....Do we really have nothing better to do than try and figure out when L9 is coming out?
I can’t speak for FL but I’d i were running a software company I’d be happy with the chatter about an upcoming software release. It’s not for everyone to participate in these sort of threads I understand, so my question is don’t you have anything better to do than throw a wet blanket on others enthusiasm?
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DIsciple II said:
Except there is no fire to escalate, there is only people looking forward to something new. It’s a good thing there is interest in Logos 9 despite your personal take.
David Taylor Jr said:
Throw a dry one and escalate the fire?DIsciple II said:David Taylor Jr said:My question is....Do we really have nothing better to do than try and figure out when L9 is coming out?
I can’t speak for FL but I’d i were running a software company I’d be happy with the chatter about an upcoming software release. It’s not for everyone to participate in these sort of threads I understand, so my question is don’t you have anything better to do than throw a wet blanket on others enthusiasm?
Clearly you don't get humor....
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A watched pot never boils. Is it wrong to ask people to quit watching? (rhetorical question for previous posters).
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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[:D]MJ. Smith said:A watched pot never boils. Is it wrong to ask people to quit watching? (rhetorical question for previous posters).
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Your humor anyway David, but people don’t often get mine either so we have something in common.
David Taylor Jr said:DIsciple II said:Except there is no fire to escalate, there is only people looking forward to something new. It’s a good thing there is interest in Logos 9 despite your personal take.
David Taylor Jr said:
Throw a dry one and escalate the fire?DIsciple II said:David Taylor Jr said:My question is....Do we really have nothing better to do than try and figure out when L9 is coming out?
I can’t speak for FL but I’d i were running a software company I’d be happy with the chatter about an upcoming software release. It’s not for everyone to participate in these sort of threads I understand, so my question is don’t you have anything better to do than throw a wet blanket on others enthusiasm?
Clearly you don't get humor....
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Given the recent flash sale of amazing expansion packages, I assume we have to wait for at least another 30 more days for Logos 9 to arrive. I don't think Logos would have two major sales events so close together, otherwise people will return the expansion packages and purchase L9.
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Yeah, I don't think they'll do it during black friday. I think the next couple of weeks.
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Armin said:
Given the recent flash sale of amazing expansion packages
I think, just the Masters ... did anyone bite? So, far the Logosian prophet (I didn't capitalize) is still accurate. Per the exegetical rule, prophesies are accurate if they haven't (yet) failed.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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My prediction is Nov. 16 or 23.
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Put a big "9" on your calendar on October 26th.
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Just as Apple had to delay the roll out of the iPhone 12, maybe FL has a "supply chain" issue. Or maybe they want to wait till after the US election, Maybe skip the version 9 release and go right to 10. Maybe a new name like "Logos X".
For myself I can't imagine that there is some have to have feature in the next release. I would be probably be looking for packages that might have deals on resources I think I must have. It's like I am still happy on my iPhone 7+ and resisted the need to upgrade my phone so far.
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Bruce Roth said:
For myself I can't imagine that there is some have to have feature in the next release.
I can imagine, but also be unrealistic. There's 3 features that would outshine everything from L6-8 (warmly regarded as the 'sleepy years'):
1. A good search UI. That alone, would 'change Logos' (also Verbum, but a different UI strategy)
2. User material. Christian-land is a teaching world. PBs (easily sharable, mobiles) and PDFs integrated.
3. Phrase/style searching (and not just the Bibles)
Ok, back to L9.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Use the example of the Babylonians. Put three drops of oil in water look at the pattern that it creates and that will give you the date.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Lynden Williams said:
Use the example of the Babylonians. Put three drops of oil in water look at the pattern that it creates and that will give you the date.
Sorry Lynden but the latest research suggests that what it will give you is a pattern. Unfortunately the pattern will not load on your computer or tablet.
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Mike
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Not trying to get it on the computer just want the date of release
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Now to wait and see if Dt. 18:22 applies? 😉
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Good question Brian, I don't know. I would like to say that Logos 8 was a simpler navigational and visual design. The problem with Logos is that you need to hire and IT guy in order to operate the software. I purchased the Portfolio Package when I started seminary 6 years ago. I now have over 3,000 resources at my finger tips. My most recent purchase was the NIV Application Commentary by Zondervan. It is my prayer that Logos 9 become user friendlier than Logos 8 in Jesus name, Amen. I have friends who purchased basic Logos packages and never used the software, including a pastor who is technically savvy.
Thomas
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Thomas Luke said:
It is my prayer that Logos 9 become user friendlier than Logos 8 in Jesus name, Amen. I have friends who purchased basic Logos packages and never used the software, including a pastor who is technically savvy.
I wholeheartedly agree. The lack of usability is my major problem with Logos, even though I consider myself as technically minded.
I purchased Logos base packages as gifts for three friends whom I thought would enjoy Logos. Unfortunately, none of them uses it. I wished I would have spent this money expanding my own library.
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Might sign them up for some morris proctor training.Armin said:Thomas Luke said:It is my prayer that Logos 9 become user friendlier than Logos 8 in Jesus name, Amen. I have friends who purchased basic Logos packages and never used the software, including a pastor who is technically savvy.
I wholeheartedly agree. The lack of usability is my major problem with Logos, even though I consider myself as technically minded.
I purchased Logos base packages as gifts for three friends whom I thought would enjoy Logos. Unfortunately, none of them uses it. I wished I would have spent this money expanding my own library.
Most people need to see it in action, before they realize what they have. you know?L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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I don't think they're promoting it. I think they just want Logos to do what the other guys do. If I were in a competition, and Logos is, then I would want to know what the other guys are doing. I'm sure these are all good Logos users here.
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Thomas Luke said:
I would like to say that Logos 8 was a simpler navigational and visual design. The problem with Logos is that you need to hire and IT guy in order to operate the software.
I would like to say that I use Logos/Verbum and have NEVER been tempted to hire an IT guy (perhaps, because I'm female with a lifetime career in IT?) [;)] But more seriously, while it has been in a number of small steps, Faithlife has been making changes to simplify the use, changes that should eventually come together for a much simpler experience:
- Bible browser to make many searches with special syntax unnecessary
- reorganization of the Context Menu to make its structure more obvious
- tagging of systematic theology and Biblical theology so the monographs are more easily found
- subdividing the library into many more types so it is easier to find books
- Bibliographic sections such as Ancient Literature and Catholic Topical Index to search materials for you
- Workflows to guide you to the appropriate sections of Guides
- Dividing Guides into their individual section so you can target what you are searching for rather than running full Guides
- Factbook as a survey of resources to help you choose what you need to read
Yes, none of these is a complete solution but it does indicate that Faithlife is trying to move in the right direction.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Couldn't agree more. In fact, if you see where we have come from during the Logos 4 days and now? It is night and day different!MJ. Smith said:Thomas Luke said:I would like to say that Logos 8 was a simpler navigational and visual design. The problem with Logos is that you need to hire and IT guy in order to operate the software.
I would like to say that I use Logos/Verbum and have NEVER been tempted to hire an IT guy (perhaps, because I'm female with a lifetime career in IT?)
But more seriously, while it has been in a number of small steps, Faithlife has been making changes to simplify the use, changes that should eventually come together for a much simpler experience:- Bible browser to make many searches with special syntax unnecessary
- reorganization of the Context Menu to make its structure more obvious
- tagging of systematic theology and Biblical theology so the monographs are more easily found
- subdividing the library into many more types so it is easier to find books
- Bibliographic sections such as Ancient Literature and Catholic Topical Index to search materials for you
- Workflows to guide you to the appropriate sections of Guides
- Dividing Guides into their individual section so you can target what you are searching for rather than running full Guides
- Factbook as a survey of resources to help you choose what you need to read
Yes, none of these is a complete solution but it does indicate that Faithlife is trying to move in the right direction.
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MJ. Smith said:Thomas Luke said:
I would like to say that Logos 8 was a simpler navigational and visual design. The problem with Logos is that you need to hire and IT guy in order to operate the software.
I would like to say that I use Logos/Verbum and have NEVER been tempted to hire an IT guy (perhaps, because I'm female with a lifetime career in IT?)
But more seriously, while it has been in a number of small steps, Faithlife has been making changes to simplify the use, changes that should eventually come together for a much simpler experience:- Bible browser to make many searches with special syntax unnecessary
- reorganization of the Context Menu to make its structure more obvious
- tagging of systematic theology and Biblical theology so the monographs are more easily found
- subdividing the library into many more types so it is easier to find books
- Bibliographic sections such as Ancient Literature and Catholic Topical Index to search materials for you
- Workflows to guide you to the appropriate sections of Guides
- Dividing Guides into their individual section so you can target what you are searching for rather than running full Guides
- Factbook as a survey of resources to help you choose what you need to read
Yes, none of these is a complete solution but it does indicate that Faithlife is trying to move in the right direction.
i agree with you MJ FL has made some good inroads in these aspects.
While i too admit the majority of my career has been IT focused while not always working in a direct IT role it has always utilized the IT skills i gaine in one of my degrees I've completed, I think an IT guy would be no better at making sense of Logos Bible Software than any other person for the majority of day to day activities one undertakes with the software. A lot of people who drive cars are not great at what happens under the hood but are ca[able drivers. The same can apply to software, you dont' need to know how the technology behind it works, you just need to know how to drive it. The only area, depedining upon their IT specialization they might be of use is if advanced searching but they'd also need to understand original languages with some of the advanced searching you can do.
I think at the moment because all of the great effort in making it more useable is there is just too many roads down which one can drive the software and the challenge is knowing what the software offers and how to access it. For those that need a map to drive the software workflows are a great starting point but possibly won't help with every question or task a users wants to complete.
For me personally I rely less on workflows and go directly to guides as I need but we are all different and so I respect Thomas view that his experience of the software at this point in time is that it is not as simple to navigate or drive as others of us might find it.
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DIsciple II said:
I think at the moment because all of the great effort in making it more useable is there is just too many roads down which one can drive the software and the challenge is knowing what the software offers and how to access it.
I agree this is probably the largest "pain point."
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DIsciple II said:
I think at the moment because all of the great effort in making it more useable is there is just too many roads down which one can drive the software and the challenge is knowing what the software offers and how to access it. For those that need a map to drive the software workflows are a great starting point but possibly won't help with every question or task a users wants to complete.
Conversely, one of the best things about the software---not intrinsic to it, but caused by it--is that anyone who wants to do anything with it or find out if it can do something or what it can do with something can post a new thread in these forums and find out really quickly, for free, from fellow users (and sometimes the software's designers).
These forums provide the best software help documentation I've ever even heard of.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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I have found that the best way is to sometimes jump in and start poking around. Of course you could look at Logos excellent training videos. https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Thankful to have been out of the IT world, and instead pastoring for nearly a decade by this point.DIsciple II said:I think at the moment because all of the great effort in making it more useable is there is just too many roads down which one can drive the software and the challenge is knowing what the software offers and how to access it. For those that need a map to drive the software workflows are a great starting point but possibly won't help with every question or task a users wants to complete.
For me personally I rely less on workflows and go directly to guides as I need but we are all different and so I respect Thomas view that his experience of the software at this point in time is that it is not as simple to navigate or drive as others of us might find it.
The plethora of roads is in my mind a blessing. Other than building a works cited page with dirty meta data, I've never come to a point where I have wanted Logos to do something it couldn't with 8. Even so I think the meta data is much better now than its been in the past.
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Agree with you but it might take time for a new user to arrive here and have the Dutch courage to post a question. Most of us commenting are medium to long time users of the software and many posts veterans. I try to think like some one that is brand new, maybe coming from a different product or even brand new to using bible software.
SineNomine said:DIsciple II said:I think at the moment because all of the great effort in making it more useable is there is just too many roads down which one can drive the software and the challenge is knowing what the software offers and how to access it. For those that need a map to drive the software workflows are a great starting point but possibly won't help with every question or task a users wants to complete.
Conversely, one of the best things about the software---not intrinsic to it, but caused by it--is that anyone who wants to do anything with it or find out if it can do something or what it can do with something can post a new thread in these forums and find out really quickly, for free, from fellow users (and sometimes the software's designers).
These forums provide the best software help documentation I've ever even heard of.
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Lynden Williams said:
I have found that the best way is to sometimes jump in and start poking around. Of course you could look at Logos excellent training videos. https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us
Agree with you but it might take time for a new user to find the right training or have the Dutch courage to poke around the software. Most of us commenting are medium to long time users of the software and poking around has become second nature. I try to think like some one that is brand new, maybe coming from a different product or even brand new to using bible software.
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DIsciple II said:
or have the Dutch courage to poke around the software.
Hmmm
That has put a whole new picture of budding theologians into my head.
Bible studies around your area must be jolly occasions?
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Mike
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Mike Binks said:DIsciple II said:
or have the Dutch courage to poke around the software.
Hmmm
That has put a whole new picture of budding theologians into my head.
Bible studies around your area must be jolly occasions?
[:)]
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My download update this morning showed Logos 9 in the blue Logo.
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Joe Griffin said:
My download update this morning showed Logos 9 in the blue Logo.
I can see it too.
Blessings in Christ.
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Not mine... :-(
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Hi Tom - and welcome to the forums
Tom Penning said:Not mine... :-(
Are you a Logos Connect subscriber?
Graham
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Probably not... since I do not know what a Logos Connected Subscriber is... although I am probably a lot of things that I am unable to define... :-)
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(And in 'searching' for it... my screen bumps again straight to the BIG ANNOUNCEMENT preample...) :-)
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Tom Penning said:
Probably not... since I do not know what a Logos Connected Subscriber is... although I am probably a lot of things that I am unable to define... :-)
Sorry - Logos Connect is a subscription offering that, among other things, provides automatic access to software updates. Only those with these subscriptions are getting the automatic update to Logos 9.
Others will be able to purchase when the website opens up again.
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Just saw that MP Seminars has training up on Wha'ts New in Logos 9 already. Carla
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Hi Graham
If I may jump in here.
My home page is blank. Except for one item in my dashboard.
No downloads except for a data set..
I have mentioned before. This whole Logos Connect thing is like some insider secret. I have been with Logos for maybe a decade. I hear it talked about but I know nothing about it, except you pay and fee and receive some benefits. I have even looked for it and couldn't find it.
What kind of marketing is that?
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