( multi user ) Add My wife as a User but I don't want to mix my highlights, notes, etc.
Hi, I hope everybody is doing well.
So I am expending good amount of money on Logos, but I would like my wife also can take advantage of the, but I cannot pay twice the same things.
Is it a way to create in Logos different users so everybody keep their one highlights, notes, etc without mixing with the rest?
Thanks
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Is it a way to create in Logos different users so everybody keep their one highlights, notes, etc without mixing with the rest?
No. That would violate the EULA. Your wife can use your copy, but you only get one account, so the created docs will be mixed together.
Your wife can get a second copy for free (the engine is free) and get an account that way, but you won't be able to share purchased resources.
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Thanks, I guess that is a very weak point for Logos sadly.
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Thanks, I guess that is a very weak point for Logos sadly.
Not a weak point in the sense that the license is a single user license. Logos graciously allows us to bend the license rule within a family resident as long as there is only one person employed in the ministry. The way most people handle it is to prefix the user documents by user initials.
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The best you could probably do is to create a layout for your wife. She could have a separate notebook as well. But all notes would show up on both layouts. Highlights would also show up on bother layouts.
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Is it a way to create in Logos different users so everybody keep their one highlights, notes, etc without mixing with the rest?
Faithlife is aware of Homeschool Families => https://faithlife.com/homeschool-families/activity
Personally have a Faithlife demonstration account (different email) with order total of $ 0.00 that includes Logos 8 Basic , Verbum 8 Basic , Logos 7 Fundamentals and coupon upgrade to Logos 8 Fundamentals plus a number of free books, which is useful for Bible Study (for many tasks, demo setup with 393 resources on device is a bit quicker than my purchased library with 29,060 resources).
Thankful that Logos & Verbum can be used at the same time (so often have both open for my use).
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Thanks, I guess that is a very weak point for Logos sadly.
I also wished that Logos would allow author-specific highlights for the same reason. However, if I had a physical book, my highlights would also be there when my wife reads the book.
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Thankful that Logos & Verbum can be used at the same time (so often have both open for my use).
What are the benefits of this? How do you split their usage?
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Sorry but that doesn't solve anything. I paid already 4K for all the packages and I cannot even separate users, so I have to pay another 4K for my wife to keep our different devotionals, study etc?
It doesn't make sense, and this is the weakest point of Logos.
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I wish Logos would create a way to "loan a resource" to another user. If I would lose access to that resource while it is loaned to another user, it could fit within my understanding of a single-user license. In my honest opinion, this would make ebooks even MORE attractive than Dead tree. I would have my whole digital library on a portable device AND I could loan resources to those I am mentoring (including those in my family).
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Thankful that Logos & Verbum can be used at the same time (so often have both open for my use).
What are the benefits of this? How do you split their usage?
Speed is one benefit (my smallish demonstration account has 30 Bibles, which is quite useful for Bible Study).
Larger library is useful when desire more advanced searches: e.g. Bible Sense, Syntax, Topical, ...
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Sorry but that doesn't solve anything. I paid already 4K for all the packages and I cannot even separate users, so I have to pay another 4K for my wife to keep our different devotionals, study etc?
It doesn't make sense, and this is the weakest point of Logos.
The main reason that this type of services is not allowed...is what would keep a person from making a second user account, with access to all of your $4k+ in purchased resources, that's not their spouse, but someone outside of their family? There are plenty of nefarious ways a system like this could be used, costing Logos a lot of money. Remember, Faithlife is a business, and therefore has to rely on various agreements with publishers and the such, hence what we have the is allowed and not allowed in the EULA. I don't view this as a weakness at all, honestly. It is one of their strengths in being able to continue to offer such a strong product consistently over the years.
And, honestly, it's really not that bad. My wife just finished her degree at Spurgeon College, and she used my Logos resources. I value her notes and all that she has put into the program. Yes, sometimes, I as myself "Where did this come from?" But, hey, it's all good.
One solution you could do is making sure you label your notebooks separately, so you have "Luis Highlight", "Luis Notes on..." etc., but also "Luis's wife highlights", etc. (sorry, I don't know your wife's name!). You could then click through he visual filters to turn off her notes/highlights from being shown while you use it, and she could turn them on when she is using it.
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It does cost to Logos for people who doesn't practice what the Bible teaches, but it does cost me more than them!
Sorry Jonathan, but your logic just failed here.0 -
It does cost to Logos for people who doesn't practice what the Bible teaches, but it does cost me more than them!
Sorry Jonathan, but your logic just failed here.How does it cost you more than Logos?
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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I'd think multi-account for spouses is no more nefarious than single-account. Stealing-capability is the same. The detection equation is no different. Thus, the nefarious argument doesn't work well. One returns to contracts and pricing. I'd assume pricing to customers can be reduced (marginally) assuring publishers, single-user.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I'd think multi-account for spouses is no more nefarious than single-account. Stealing-capability is the same. The detection equation is no different. Thus, the nefarious argument doesn't work well. One returns to contracts and pricing. I'd assume pricing to customers can be reduced (marginally) assuring publishers, single-user.
The nefarious play is that it would be easier to share the library with someone, let's say, going to Seminary somewhere by giving them their own login-credentials to your account, versus sharing your username and password. We must remember that we pay for the books, as in ownership, versus something like Netflix, where we pay for access, not ownership. And if the detection equation is as easy as your post portrays it to be, how do so many people get away with password sharing services such as Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, and more, without repercussion?
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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Jonathan, you're digging deeper, and no need. I assume you're familiar with FL's detection approach. Abuse isn't difficult to detect, and the user population does have reputations at risk (ignoring morality, ethics, and other minor Christian inconveniences).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Is it a way to create in Logos different users so everybody keep their one highlights, notes, etc without mixing with the rest?
Faithlife is aware of Homeschool Families => https://faithlife.com/homeschool-families/activity
Thankful for Faithlife's COVID-19 response => https://faithlife.com/coronavirus that includes Family resources => https://faithlife.com/coronavirus/family-home-discipleship-resources with link to Free classic literature
My demonstration account with order total of $ 0.00 now has 546 library resources (with 133 in the cloud), which includes 10 Calendar Devotional resources. Thankful for Logos 8 base package purchase including gift of Logos 7 Fundamentals and $ 20 upgrade price for Logos 8 Fundamentals (annual birthday coupon of $ 20 covered "purchase" cost). Thankful for Faithlife offering => Free Logos Books !! (including monthly ones) plus periodic coupons. For demonstration, have purchased free non-fiction eBooks plus periodically check for new ones using URL => https://ebooks.faithlife.com/search?query=price%3A0&limit=60&page=1&filters=status-live_Status&ownership=unowned&sortBy=Savings (found one today: Turning Toward Joy) My purchased library includes free Perseus collections, which have 1,743 resources (so my demonstration library with $ 0.00 order total could freely be expanded to 2,333 resources by adding Perseus and free fictional eBooks).
Recommend every family member having their own digital library (allows every family member to have their own highlights, notes, layouts, ...). Family can create a private Faithlife group for sharing documents: e.g. devotional notes.
Abuse isn't difficult to detect, and the user population does have reputations at risk (ignoring morality, ethics, and other minor Christian inconveniences).
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Imagine Intellectual Property Rights were included in contracts with various publishers of copyrighted material (along with royalty payment to publisher for copyright material license so part of user purchase paid to Faithlife for personal license flows to publisher).
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The reason I am a Logos user is because Logos has had sufficient Digital Rights Management that they have been able to license many "top shelf" books into digital form. It started when I was getting tired of going to the local Community College library to look up articles in their copy of the Anchor Bible Dictionary, but there are many other such works in the Logos ecosystem.
Like all systems of Digital Rights Management, it can be a bit of a pain. In the ideal world, this pain would not be necessary. But the scholars who do this work need to be paid so they too can eat, and so something is necessary.
Faithlife as a company has in general tried to be flexible in allowing a household to be "one user". But since they negotiate the rights on a per user basis, there are limits to how flexible they can be since they need to work with the copyright owners.
I have been a user for almost two decades. In that time my library has gone from being available to me only on Windows computers where I had installed it to being also available on my phone, on my cheap Kindle Fire, and from a web interface, potentially any internet connected computer. The transition was not entirely smooth since Faithlife did not have the rights to do this for everything, but they worked it out over time.
In addition I am seeing some hints that Faithlife is working to be able to work with multiple "users" through church groups and some schools, although since my local congregation has not really done anything with this, I don't know details. But it looks like things like this are coming.
Might there be a Bible Software out there that has negotiated the rights to the resources you need or want that has negotiated somewhat different restrictions with the copyright owners? It is certainly possible. But my experience with Faithlife has generally been quite positive, specifically with making available my digital library in ways I could barely imagine when I got it.
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I suspect that this is tied up with the licensing terms Logos has entered into with copyright holders.
Many holders are wary of granting licensing for electronic use because they are afraid of piracy damaging sales.
Consequently, Logos may have little ability to influence this.
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There is much weeping and gnashing of teeth about this problem of two lots of notes created by the one body that is a marriage.
The the way forward is very simple.
Imagine you buy the book in hard copy.
Devise a system of both being able to make notes in the margin without annoying each other.
Propose solution to Logos to be applied to the book you have purchased.
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There is much weeping and gnashing of teeth about this problem of two lots of notes created by the one body that is a marriage.
The the way forward is very simple.
Imagine you buy the book in hard copy.
Devise a system of both being able to make notes in the margin without annoying each other.
Propose solution to Logos to be applied to the book you have purchased.
I've not used it, but it seems like I remember there are ways to turn off and on certain notes, aren't there? Does someone do that? Could this be adapted to allowing people to make notes and markings and just turn on their set? I, too, would like the family usage aspect to be more flexible, but I get the reason why it's not, and thankful that they are allowed to use it. Honestly, though, most of my family doesn't use Logos because it looks to complex to them. Even the apps. Even when I show the FaithLife app, etc. But it's installed on their devices. They will be using it a bit more for reading, especially with the generous Logos gift the other day that had several books that are part of their homeschool reading list.
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It does cost to Logos for people who doesn't practice what the Bible teaches, but it does cost me more than them!
Sorry Jonathan, but your logic just failed here.There is much I could say to your attitude and unfair judgement of FL on this issue but it would end up being unkind so instead I'll leave you with some advice on the issue instead:
Be thankful for the $4,000 library that you have at your finger tips!
Deal with the inconvenience of having to share some aspects of the program the your wife!
(after all are not the two called together to become one?)
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My attitude and unfair judgement...?
Do you read English? And if you read it, do you comprehend what you read?
What is your problem coming here and insulting people? Are you under some strong drug?
Really, what is your problem when you read and try to comprehend something that bring you to insult?
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Let me add, if you can't wisely add a solution, or have a smart exchange of opinion, please go away and do not even bother to answer. What you wrote is such a huge lie, and false claim that os is clear that you cannot have a smart comment.
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Luis, there are a number of people on the forums who do not necessarily word things in the best possible way. But they have been around long enough for most of us to have learned how to respond to them appropriately. One of our guidelines is
Please treat each other with the love, courtesy, respect, and kindness that you would if you were sitting in your living room together.
If the two of you were in my living room, it is you I would take aside and ask you to give a little slack until you get to know the forum members. And, if you, like my daughter, would not respond to that approach, I would ask you to explain to me what makes you react so strongly.
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I NEVER recommend Logos to anyone else, and the EULA is one of the main reasons. I'm not that far from having a 50K investment in Logos, and the idea that it's use is so drastically limited still floors me. My Logos library is larger than probably 99% of the church libraries in the world...and I'm the only one with a card to use it. It's practically insane.
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My attitude and unfair judgement...?
Do you read English? And if you read it, do you comprehend what you read?
What is your problem coming here and insulting people? Are you under some strong drug?
Really, what is your problem when you read and try to comprehend something that bring you to insult?
Let me add, if you can't wisely add a solution, or have a smart exchange of opinion, please go away and do not even bother to answer. What you wrote is such a huge lie, and false claim that os is clear that you cannot have a smart comment.
Despite having a Scottish surname and been born I’m Australia i can read English quite well, it is my first language. You need to step back and look at yourself before you start getting offended because someone has called you out your attitude and unfair judgement of Faithlife on this particular issue. Your response to me and other people clearly demonstrates the attitude for which I refer and it remains you are unfairly judging FL on the basis if of then implementing what are reasonable licensing restrictions. FL are the broker between us and publishers. They are also a business, they are not a charity and just because you view yourself as a law abiding Christian does not mean the publishers will agree that make a difference and you and your wife should be granted in effect two licences for the price of one. Stop being so self focussed, appreciate what you do have an just as you have to work out how share resources in other aspects of your marriage, work it out in this instance as well.
It did not make any insult toward you and still have not, I have simply questioned your attitude about the issue that seems to come from a focus on self and unwillingness to see my see FL as the villain in this issue. You though have become the villain with your rants at people who take a different view to you.
If you came to this whole issue with a different attitude and approached It as a feature enhancement request rather than saying Logos Software Is weak and costing you more money than it would cost them to give you and your wife separate accounts to the one license because in your eyes your are both good law abiding Christians who have spent $4,000 on the software, you might have been better received.
Has not what is happening in the world at the moment taught your anything, lest of all life does not always fall the way of what we would call fair.
i hope you can move beyond this, find peace in your heart and work out with your wife how you can both together make best use of your investment in Logos software.
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If you make the same comment on your job about somebody, you probably would be fire.
If you make the same comment on the school, you probably would be discipline,
If you make the same comment on the Church, you probably would be also discipline,But, hey! This is a blog, so you can say whatever you want to say without adding to the main topic, and use all kind of negligent words without fear consequences, right?. Well there you go, your malicious words had consequences, and I don't care if somebody see me like I am a villain, since I am 45 and not a child to think of that way, I can read, I can understand, and I can properly answer under CONTEXT what things have been said.
It is more than clear that your out of CONTEXT comment came with a malicious intentions and end up in your words, because of how you accused me of something, insult me by your accusation, and YOU CANNOT SEE IT YET! but you still feel a victim of circumstances, you are amazing.
Let me give you an advice for your life in general: If you cannot add to a circumstance, do not talk, same way that you behave in your job, or school, or whatever place, do it here! Simple, Right?0 -
There is much weeping and gnashing of teeth about this problem of two lots of notes created by the one body that is a marriage.
The the way forward is very simple.
Imagine you buy the book in hard copy.
Devise a system of both being able to make notes in the margin without annoying each other.
Propose solution to Logos to be applied to the book you have purchased.
One uses the left margin the other the right! Problem Solved, for the couple, but I have no clue as how to program that as a fix in logos.
[[and I programed in B, Cobol, C, SQL, Perl, and others for 30+ years]]
[[Warning: if Logos sees lots of notes for a user with names like DLxxx and JKxxx they may think that two live people are using that user id one with the initials of DL and the other of JK especially if the owner has one of those initials]]
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I believe Bob once wrote something on his understanding of fair use within a family. Does anybody remember this post?
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