( multi user ) Add My wife as a User but I don't want to mix my highlights, notes, etc.

Hi, I hope everybody is doing well.

So I am expending good amount of money on Logos, but I would like my wife also can take advantage of the, but I cannot pay twice the same things.

Is it a way to create in Logos different users so everybody keep their one highlights, notes, etc without mixing with the rest?

Thanks

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Doc B

Is it a way to create in Logos different users so everybody keep their one highlights, notes, etc without mixing with the rest?

No. That would violate the EULA. Your wife can use your copy, but you only get one account, so the created docs will be mixed together.

Your wife can get a second copy for free (the engine is free) and get an account that way, but you won't be able to share purchased resources.

Luis

Thanks, I guess that is a very weak point for Logos sadly.

MJ. Smith

Thanks, I guess that is a very weak point for Logos sadly.

Not a weak point in the sense that the license is a single user license. Logos graciously allows us to bend the license rule within a family resident as long as there is only one person employed in the ministry. The way most people handle it is to prefix the user documents by user initials.

Mark

The best you could probably do is to create a layout for your wife. She could have a separate notebook as well. But all notes would show up on both layouts. Highlights would also show up on bother layouts.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

Is it a way to create in Logos different users so everybody keep their one highlights, notes, etc without mixing with the rest?

Faithlife is aware of Homeschool Families => https://faithlife.com/homeschool-families/activity

Personally have a Faithlife demonstration account (different email) with order total of $ 0.00 that includes Logos 8 Basic , Verbum 8 Basic , Logos 7 Fundamentals and coupon upgrade to Logos 8 Fundamentals plus a number of free books, which is useful for Bible Study (for many tasks, demo setup with 393 resources on device is a bit quicker than my purchased library with 29,060 resources).

Thankful that Logos & Verbum can be used at the same time (so often have both open for my use).

Keep Smiling [:)]

Armin

Thanks, I guess that is a very weak point for Logos sadly.

I also wished that Logos would allow author-specific highlights for the same reason. However, if I had a physical book, my highlights would also be there when my wife reads the book.

Armin

Thankful that Logos & Verbum can be used at the same time (so often have both open for my use).

What are the benefits of this? How do you split their usage?

Luis

Sorry but that doesn't solve anything. I paid already 4K for all the packages and I cannot even separate users, so I have to pay another 4K for my wife to keep our different devotionals, study etc?

It doesn't make sense, and this is the weakest point of Logos.

David Thomas

I wish Logos would create a way to "loan a resource" to another user. If I would lose access to that resource while it is loaned to another user, it could fit within my understanding of a single-user license. In my honest opinion, this would make ebooks even MORE attractive than Dead tree. I would have my whole digital library on a portable device AND I could loan resources to those I am mentoring (including those in my family).

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

Thankful that Logos & Verbum can be used at the same time (so often have both open for my use).

What are the benefits of this? How do you split their usage?

Speed is one benefit (my smallish demonstration account has 30 Bibles, which is quite useful for Bible Study).

Larger library is useful when desire more advanced searches: e.g. Bible Sense, Syntax, Topical, ...

Keep Smiling [:)]

Jonathan Bradley

Sorry but that doesn't solve anything. I paid already 4K for all the packages and I cannot even separate users, so I have to pay another 4K for my wife to keep our different devotionals, study etc?

It doesn't make sense, and this is the weakest point of Logos.

The main reason that this type of services is not allowed...is what would keep a person from making a second user account, with access to all of your $4k+ in purchased resources, that's not their spouse, but someone outside of their family? There are plenty of nefarious ways a system like this could be used, costing Logos a lot of money. Remember, Faithlife is a business, and therefore has to rely on various agreements with publishers and the such, hence what we have the is allowed and not allowed in the EULA. I don't view this as a weakness at all, honestly. It is one of their strengths in being able to continue to offer such a strong product consistently over the years.

And, honestly, it's really not that bad. My wife just finished her degree at Spurgeon College, and she used my Logos resources. I value her notes and all that she has put into the program. Yes, sometimes, I as myself "Where did this come from?" But, hey, it's all good.

One solution you could do is making sure you label your notebooks separately, so you have "Luis Highlight", "Luis Notes on..." etc., but also "Luis's wife highlights", etc. (sorry, I don't know your wife's name!). You could then click through he visual filters to turn off her notes/highlights from being shown while you use it, and she could turn them on when she is using it.

Luis

It does cost to Logos for people who doesn't practice what the Bible teaches, but it does cost me more than them!
Sorry Jonathan, but your logic just failed here.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

Is it a way to create in Logos different users so everybody keep their one highlights, notes, etc without mixing with the rest?

Faithlife is aware of Homeschool Families => https://faithlife.com/homeschool-families/activity

Thankful for Faithlife's COVID-19 response => https://faithlife.com/coronavirus that includes Family resources => https://faithlife.com/coronavirus/family-home-discipleship-resources with link to Free classic literature

My demonstration account with order total of $ 0.00 now has 546 library resources (with 133 in the cloud), which includes 10 Calendar Devotional resources. Thankful for Logos 8 base package purchase including gift of Logos 7 Fundamentals and $ 20 upgrade price for Logos 8 Fundamentals (annual birthday coupon of $ 20 covered "purchase" cost). Thankful for Faithlife offering => Free Logos Books !! (including monthly ones) plus periodic coupons. For demonstration, have purchased free non-fiction eBooks plus periodically check for new ones using URL => https://ebooks.faithlife.com/search?query=price%3A0&limit=60&page=1&filters=status-live_Status&ownership=unowned&sortBy=Savings (found one today: Turning Toward Joy) My purchased library includes free Perseus collections, which have 1,743 resources (so my demonstration library with $ 0.00 order total could freely be expanded to 2,333 resources by adding Perseus and free fictional eBooks).

Recommend every family member having their own digital library (allows every family member to have their own highlights, notes, layouts, ...). Family can create a private Faithlife group for sharing documents: e.g. devotional notes.

Abuse isn't difficult to detect, and the user population does have reputations at risk (ignoring morality, ethics, and other minor Christian inconveniences).

Faithlife Terms => https://faithlife.com/terms (last updated on 15 Mar 2019) include Intellectual Property and Logos Bible Software (LBS)

3. Intellectual Property and Right to Use the Services.">
You acknowledge that the Services are proprietary to Faithlife or its partners or suppliers and protected under intellectual property and other applicable laws. The Services are licensed, not sold. For all Services provided to a User by Faithlife, other than Faithlife’s Logos Bible Software Services (“LBS”) and any Content provided through LBS, Faithlife Corporation grants the User a worldwide, limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable (except as expressly permitted by Faithlife), non-sublicensable and royalty-free right and license under its intellectual property rights to use the Services, subject to these Terms and for the duration and subject to any other limits specified in the corresponding Order (any purchase of Faithlife Software, Content, or Subscriptions whether paid or unpaid constitutes an “Order”) (a “License”).

For LBS and Content provided through LBS only, Faithlife grants you a worldwide, limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable (except as expressly permitted by Faithlife), non-sublicensable and royalty-free perpetual right and license for the relevant Software and “unlocked” Content provided through LBS subject to these Terms and any other limits specified in the corresponding Order (an “LBS License”).

The Services may contain Content that is not licensed to you. This Content is “locked” in electronic form and is included for your convenience. Should you desire to “unlock” “locked” Content you may do so by placing an Order to purchase a license for it.

Each License or LBS License is valid only for an individual’s non-commercial purposes or internal commercial purposes consistent with the intended uses of the Software as described in the Documentation or elsewhere, or for the internal purposes of a Community and its Users, as applicable. Faithlife does not transfer any right, title or interest to the Services or other intellectual property rights owned or distributed by Faithlife, other than the rights granted in these Terms. All rights not expressly granted in these Terms are reserved. Without in any way limiting the foregoing, Faithlife may suspend or terminate access to the Services for any licensee in breach of these Terms.

4. Acceptable Use Policy includes authority for Faithlife to suspend abusive accounts.

5. Rights and Access Privileges for LBS Licenses.">
LBS Licenses may ONLY be used on devices owned by the licensee in whose name the LBS License is registered. Each LBS License is granted for use by one human user only, even where the LBS License is registered in the name of an institution such as a church. We reserve the right to monitor use of the Services subject to LBS Licenses to detect, prevent and disable excessive simultaneous logins on different devices indicating use of the Services by more than one human user. We do not offer site-licenses, shared licenses, co-op licenses, or library licenses.

Imagine Intellectual Property Rights were included in contracts with various publishers of copyrighted material (along with royalty payment to publisher for copyright material license so part of user purchase paid to Faithlife for personal license flows to publisher).

Keep Smiling [:)]

Ken McGuire

The reason I am a Logos user is because Logos has had sufficient Digital Rights Management that they have been able to license many "top shelf" books into digital form. It started when I was getting tired of going to the local Community College library to look up articles in their copy of the Anchor Bible Dictionary, but there are many other such works in the Logos ecosystem.

Like all systems of Digital Rights Management, it can be a bit of a pain. In the ideal world, this pain would not be necessary. But the scholars who do this work need to be paid so they too can eat, and so something is necessary.

Faithlife as a company has in general tried to be flexible in allowing a household to be "one user". But since they negotiate the rights on a per user basis, there are limits to how flexible they can be since they need to work with the copyright owners.

I have been a user for almost two decades. In that time my library has gone from being available to me only on Windows computers where I had installed it to being also available on my phone, on my cheap Kindle Fire, and from a web interface, potentially any internet connected computer. The transition was not entirely smooth since Faithlife did not have the rights to do this for everything, but they worked it out over time.

In addition I am seeing some hints that Faithlife is working to be able to work with multiple "users" through church groups and some schools, although since my local congregation has not really done anything with this, I don't know details. But it looks like things like this are coming.

Might there be a Bible Software out there that has negotiated the rights to the resources you need or want that has negotiated somewhat different restrictions with the copyright owners? It is certainly possible. But my experience with Faithlife has generally been quite positive, specifically with making available my digital library in ways I could barely imagine when I got it.

Genghis

I suspect that this is tied up with the licensing terms Logos has entered into with copyright holders.

Many holders are wary of granting licensing for electronic use because they are afraid of piracy damaging sales.

Consequently, Logos may have little ability to influence this.

Mike Binks

There is much weeping and gnashing of teeth about this problem of two lots of notes created by the one body that is a marriage.

The the way forward is very simple.

Imagine you buy the book in hard copy.

Devise a system of both being able to make notes in the margin without annoying each other.

Propose solution to Logos to be applied to the book you have purchased.

Friedrich

There is much weeping and gnashing of teeth about this problem of two lots of notes created by the one body that is a marriage.

The the way forward is very simple.

Imagine you buy the book in hard copy.

Devise a system of both being able to make notes in the margin without annoying each other.

Propose solution to Logos to be applied to the book you have purchased.

I've not used it, but it seems like I remember there are ways to turn off and on certain notes, aren't there? Does someone do that? Could this be adapted to allowing people to make notes and markings and just turn on their set? I, too, would like the family usage aspect to be more flexible, but I get the reason why it's not, and thankful that they are allowed to use it. Honestly, though, most of my family doesn't use Logos because it looks to complex to them. Even the apps. Even when I show the FaithLife app, etc. But it's installed on their devices. They will be using it a bit more for reading, especially with the generous Logos gift the other day that had several books that are part of their homeschool reading list.

David Paul

I NEVER recommend Logos to anyone else, and the EULA is one of the main reasons. I'm not that far from having a 50K investment in Logos, and the idea that it's use is so drastically limited still floors me. My Logos library is larger than probably 99% of the church libraries in the world...and I'm the only one with a card to use it. It's practically insane.

David Ames

There is much weeping and gnashing of teeth about this problem of two lots of notes created by the one body that is a marriage.

The the way forward is very simple.

Imagine you buy the book in hard copy.

Devise a system of both being able to make notes in the margin without annoying each other.

Propose solution to Logos to be applied to the book you have purchased.

One uses the left margin the other the right! Problem Solved, for the couple, but I have no clue as how to program that as a fix in logos.

[[and I programed in B, Cobol, C, SQL, Perl, and others for 30+ years]]

[[Warning: if Logos sees lots of notes for a user with names like DLxxx and JKxxx they may think that two live people are using that user id one with the initials of DL and the other of JK especially if the owner has one of those initials]]

Armin

I believe Bob once wrote something on his understanding of fair use within a family. Does anybody remember this post?

Jack Caviness

[[Warning: if Logos sees lots of notes for a user with names like DLxxx and JKxxx they may think that two live people are using that user id one with the initials of DL and the other of JK especially if the owner has one of those initials]]

Not to worry since FL considers husband & wife to be one.

Armin—I remember Bob's message but am too lazy to go find it again [:P]

Found it—3265.aspx

David Ames

I believe Bob once wrote something on his understanding of fair use within a family. Does anybody remember this post?

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/341/3265.aspx#3265 But that was back in 2009. Things have changed

[[ found it using a google search for "site:community.logos.com family" ]]

Michael

I wish Logos would create a way to "loan a resource" to another user. If I would lose access to that resource while it is loaned to another user, it could fit within my understanding of a single-user license. In my honest opinion, this would make ebooks even MORE attractive than Dead tree. I would have my whole digital library on a portable device AND I could loan resources to those I am mentoring (including those in my family).

This would be such a great improvement! If Logos had that feature it would be just like my paper library - if I loan a book to a friend, I can't use it until he hands it back. And it shouldn't violate any terms of use - so I'd love to see that feature one day. [:D]

JT (alabama24)

I'd love to see that feature one day.

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greypilgrim

Have you tried creating different highlighing palettes, then you could turn one on and one off

Mark Smith

Luis, you seem quite upset. I am sorry that is so and it is frustrating to find out that something you spent a lot of money for doesn't work as you'd like.

However a couple of suggestions have been made to work around the limitations you are experiencing, and while not giving you exactly the same experience as having two accounts, would work.

Almost everything you create in Logos - note files, clippings, custom highlighting palettes, highlight (note) files, visual filters, layouts, guides, collections, etc. you get to name. Separating your and your wife's files, highlights, etc. can be accomplished by naming the files according to a scheme you develop. A simple scheme adds your first initial to everything you create, and your wife's first initial (if it is different from yours) to everything she creates. You can then easily see what is yours and what is hers. With highlights, you can turn on the ones you created and turn off those your wife created. Just do all your highlighting in a highlight file (note file) with your initial on it (or a series of such files) and visa versa.

It's a bit more work to create and to use, but it isn't onerous and will allow you both to enjoy your own personal experience of Logos.

Why not look into this approach and see if you can make it work?

If you knew ahead of time this is what you'd have to do, I imagine you'd have wished it was different, but would likely have accepted it and decided to put the little bit of extra work in in order to own the benefits Logos offers you.

Feel free to ask questions. There are a lot of helpful people here,

Jonathan St.Clair

Have you tried creating different highlighing palettes, then you could turn one on and one off

^^^ I was going to suggest this as well...

GaoLu

My wife and I once started having separate note files, but it was more hassle than it was worth for us and lasted a few weeks--or maybe it was just days. I am the note-hog / highlight king in the family and my wife enjoys reading my notes and seeing my highlights. That makes is both feel closer. I'd say give that a whirl.

1Cor10 31

Awright, I know this is an old thread, but my wife is finally interested in reading the Bible digitally in Logos. Well, once you get used to doing it electronically, it is a matter of time before you like the software features (extrapolating my experience) and go full bore into using the software for everything. Before she gets started, I went and searched the Forums for how we should handle this. I found this Forum post. I read all of it. I have some thoughts.

Devise a system of both being able to make notes in the margin without annoying each other.

Propose solution to Logos to be applied to the book you have purchased.

I’m going to try to give a solution below. I am 100% sure that there will be some flaws in my proposed solution. Point out the issues that my brain couldn’t think of, and I am happy to try to think if the solution can be tweaked. The collective brains of the Forum members is sufficient to come up with a solution that is a win-win for both Faithlife and its customers.

So here it goes…

Allow multiple email IDs per family (similar to allowing multiple members to read the same physical book that they have at home).
Allow only one 1 login device per person at any given time. That is, a person within the family, at any one point in time, could stay logged in either their phone, or iPad, or laptop or computer or…. In other words, every user in the family can be logged on in only 1 device at any point in time. This is a reasonable limitation because I have never felt the need to use my laptop and desktop at the same time.
Place limitations in the software such that a resource can be opened by only one user at any given time. (This is akin to what we see with physical books wherein only 1 person can read the book at any given time).

Since the user has to logon with their own ID and since only 1 login per user is allowed at any point in time, the software can easily identify who did the Highlight/Note/Clipping etc. There is no need to use initials to identify whose Note/Highlight/Clipping…. it is. The software automatically knows. In fact, the software can even ensure that once a Note icon shape and color has been taken by one user, the other users cannot use the same. Thus, just looking at the page will tell you whose Notes/Highlight/… it is.

the license is a single user license. Logos graciously allows us to bend the license rule within a family resident as long as there is only one person employed in the ministry. The way most people handle it is to prefix the user documents by user initials.

I don’t find this to be gracious at all. My wife and I did our PhDs together, not in a seminary, but in the field of Finance. We didn’t buy 2 sets of physical books. We bought 1 set of physical books. Those were the days when journal articles were published in a book and would be mailed home. Nobody was buying 2 sets of journals. If we had done our PhD in a seminary, we would not have bought 2 sets of books/journals either. Why does the restriction depend on whether the family members are going to a seminary or not? The key is to make sure that the same resource is not being used at the same time by 2 different people. That is accomplished with my solution above.

I wish Logos would create a way to "loan a resource" to another user. If I would lose access to that resource while it is loaned to another user, it could fit within my understanding of a single-user license. In my honest opinion, this would make ebooks even MORE attractive than Dead tree. I would have my whole digital library on a portable device AND I could loan resources to those I am mentoring (including those in my family).

David: There is no reason for anyone to “loan a resource”. With my solution, 2 people in a family cannot open the same resource at the same time because each user has their own ID and each ID can be used to logon to only 1 device at any time.

Is it a way to create in Logos different users so everybody keep their one highlights, notes, etc without mixing with the rest?

As people have said, this is not possible right now, but allowing person-specific email IDs for a family will ensure that each one can take Notes/highlights individually and the software will know who did what.

I also wished that Logos would allow author-specific highlights for the same reason. However, if I had a physical book, my highlights would also be there when my wife reads the book.

You are right. Yes, when my wife and I shared a physical book, my highlights and her highlights were both visible to both of us. But the software can identify who the user is with my solution.

I understand that there are visual filters to ensure that each person sees what they have done. But this is a service that is given to us by Logos using software programming and, hence Faithlife should charge a $ amount/user because this is a benefit that we don’t get if we are sharing physical books.

Would love to hear people’s feedback.

Graham Criddle

I’m going to try to give a solution below. I am 100% sure that there will be some flaws in my proposed solution. Point out the issues that my brain couldn’t think of, and I am happy to try to think if the solution can be tweaked. The collective brains of the Forum members is sufficient to come up with a solution that is a win-win for both Faithlife and its customers.

It is certainly an interesting idea. It would require some work to make happen and so I expect Faithlife would need to have some understanding of the benefit to their customers vs the cost and complexity involved.

Allow multiple email IDs per family (similar to allowing multiple members to read the same physical book that they have at home).

This seems to me like a really significant change to the software that currently does not have to take anything like this into account at all. Currently the software does allow multiple accounts to be added but each one ends up with a separate set of resources in a different folder structure.

Allow only one 1 login device per person at any given time. That is, a person within the family, at any one point in time, could stay logged in either their phone, or iPad, or laptop or computer or…. In other words, every user in the family can be logged on in only 1 device at any point in time. This is a reasonable limitation because I have never felt the need to use my laptop and desktop at the same time.

Conversely there are many times when I am logged in to different resources at the same time. One obvious case is when I use the software at home and then when I get into my church office. There is only one user active at a time in that scenario but both are logged in.

Or I am currently typing this response on my Macbook which is logged into Logos as is my Windows desktop.

Or I can be studying something on my desktop and want to check something on my iPad. Or I leave the office for a time - leaving my computer logged in - and get into a conversation with someone where I want to check something in Logos on my iPhone.

The current way the software works means I don't need to think about any of this - the software just works. The change you are suggesting would have a major impact on this.

Place limitations in the software such that a resource can be opened by only one user at any given time. (This is akin to what we see with physical books wherein only 1 person can read the book at any given time).

This I think I'm ok with so long as I can open it on multiple systems at the same time (see comments above)

1Cor10 31

Thanks Graham for your thoughts. I can always expect a thoughtful gracious response from you.

It is certainly an interesting idea. It would require some work to make happen and so I expect Faithlife would need to have some understanding of the benefit to their customers vs the cost and complexity involved.

Mr. Graham. You are speaking the language of a financial economist when you talk about the costs and benefits. I have listed the benefits of my solution to Faithlife’s customers, but I hadn’t explicitly listed the benefits to Faithlife. Here is David Paul (in the same thread), who is not recommending Logos to others because of the restriction, explaining the benefits to Faithlife: “I NEVER recommend Logos to anyone else, and the EULA is one of the main reasons. I'm not that far from having a 50K investment in Logos, and the idea that it's use is so drastically limited still floors me. My Logos library is larger than probably 99% of the church libraries in the world...and I'm the only one with a card to use it. It's practically insane.”

Thus, while there is a cost to Faithlife, finding a software solution also confers benefits Faithlife with more sales.

1Cor10 31">Allow multiple email IDs per family (similar to allowing multiple members to read the same physical book that they have at home).

This seems to me like a really significant change to the software that currently does not have to take anything like this into account at all. Currently the software does allow multiple accounts to be added but each one ends up with a separate set of resources in a different folder structure.

I agree that the software allows multiple accounts now, but each account has different sets of resources. We want multiple accounts that share the resources. That is the problem that we are collectively trying to solve. So it is a constrained optimization problem. Goals:

(i) Confer benefits to customers from buying resources in Logos by make it easier for family members to share the resources like that of a print library.

(ii) Impose costs on customers similar to sharing resources like that of a print library.

(iii) Confer net benefits to Faithlife by either bringing in new customers or from existing customers buying more. I think if adding up (i) and (ii) results in net benefits to customers, then it automatically will bring in more $ to Faithlife.

1Cor10 31">
Allow only one 1 login device per person at any given time. That is, a person within the family, at any one point in time, could stay logged in either their phone, or iPad, or laptop or computer or…. In other words, every user in the family can be logged on in only 1 device at any point in time. This is a reasonable limitation because I have never felt the need to use my laptop and desktop at the same time.

Conversely there are many times when I am logged in to different resources at the same time. One obvious case is when I use the software at home and then when I get into my church office. There is only one user active at a time in that scenario but both are logged in.

Or I am currently typing this response on my Macbook which is logged into Logos as is my Windows desktop.

Or I can be studying something on my desktop and want to check something on my iPad. Or I leave the office for a time - leaving my computer logged in - and get into a conversation with someone where I want to check something in Logos on my iPhone.

The current way the software works means I don't need to think about any of this - the software just works. The change you are suggesting would have a major impact on this.

I agree with you, but I implicitly assumed that this is trivial cost. I am thinking of my stock brokerage account where this cost is ZERO. If I am logged on to my laptop at home and then I head off somewhere in my car. Let’s say I want to buy some stocks using my iPhone. When I try to log on, it prompts me “You are already logged on in another device. Do you want me to log you off in the other device?” I say “Yes” and my broker automatically logs me off my laptop and now I am logged on in my iPhone. There is an option to save my laptop setting before I am logged off and logged on to my iPhone. So there is ZERO cost to me. Thus, by definition, I can be logged on in only one device. I am sure this is not a complicated software solution to mimic by Faithlife

I hope more people will chime in.

Jerry Bush

Thanks, I guess that is a very weak point for Logos sadly.

Not a weak point in the sense that the license is a single user license. Logos graciously allows us to bend the license rule within a family resident as long as there is only one person employed in the ministry. The way most people handle it is to prefix the user documents by user initials.

Said better than I could have come up with. Not a weak point at all for Logos, but a generous allowance.