BUG: Corresponding Selection Behaving Unpredictably
When I try to use "Corresponding Selection" it does not always work. Sometimes it does, and then suddenly, for no reason, it will stop and I will need to restart Logos again to get it to work. Any ideas at solving this problem would be appreciated.
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What are the resources (and references) in which you are having the problem?
Are you on Mac or PC?How long are you waiting before deciding it isn't working?
We need this basic information before we can look at what may be causing the problem.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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What are the resources (and references) in which you are having the problem?
The specific resources are these: KJV 1900, Cambridge Paragraph Bible 1873, RSV Reverse Interlinear, NIV
Are you on Mac or PC?
PC
How long are you waiting before deciding it isn't working?
LONG
The problem is intermittent and unpredictable.
It happens regardless of whether I use the SBLGNT or Scrivener 1881 as my base Greek text. See how that in the image below Corresponding Selection is not working in the NIV or RSV.
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For some documentation see:
That answer is very out-of-date. Some more recent answers:
- https://community.logos.com/forums/p/135093/878557.aspx#878557
- https://community.logos.com/forums/p/123946/809476.aspx#809476
Most NTs are aligned with SBLGNT. The OT is aligned with LHB.
Rick Brannan (Faithlife) said:In Logos, you can find out the source of the alignment text by viewing resource information. Look for the "Reverse Interlinear" section.
Note that translations of the Hebrew OT are always aligned with the Lexham Hebrew Bible.
This doesn't necessarily answer the question "which text did the translators use?" (sometimes difficult or impossible to answer) but will tell you where the text you see in Logos comes from.
Without the references which have caused the problem, I can't trace the issue but I would suspect that it is a matter of what is/is not included in the text used for alignment. I doubt that a restart is necessary to reset the alignment but ...
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I don't think the underlying text is the reason because if a selected portion of text fails to show it does show after a restart.
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One other quirk related to this problem which makes me suspect a bug is that sometimes after I try to use Corresponding Selection in a text, and thereafter click the down verse arrow to go to the next verse, it jumps to the start of the same chapter.
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logosed said:
I don't think the underlying text is the reason because if a selected portion of text fails to show it does show after a restart.
I get unpredictable behaviour with two resources (ESV/SBLGNT). At the moment, it is not working at all!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Thanks for your post Dave. Thought I was the only one. Its a pity that such a great feature does not work reliably.
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Bump to Faithlife.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave and logosed,
I am sorry that you have not received a FL response sooner.
I am not able to duplicate the problems that you describe.
Can either or both of you confirm that this is still a problem for you? Or can other users reading this confirm it is a problem for them?
Is this still a problem for you if you restart Logos, and immediately try using this tool with only one English Bible and the SBLGNT?
Does the problem only occur if you are using this tool with several resources simultaneously?
If this is only happening sporadically, can you give some idea of how often it happens?
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Yes, this is still a problem. The sympathetic highlighting is temperamental. It disappears without warning and can be righted by changing the translation and then changing it back. The problem occurs for me in all Strong's tagged versions linked to SBL or Scrivener 1881. It is not always righted by a restart, but sometimes is. I cannot predict when this will happen although I have tried several configurations.
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Joe McCune (Faithlife) said:
Can either or both of you confirm that this is still a problem for you?
It wasn't working between ESV & SBLGNT, so I switched to NA28 with the same result. Then it started to work. It is least successful with one or two words, more successful with 3 or more selected, but it will fail as I continue to select words!
Using touchpad.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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logosed said:
One other quirk related to this problem which makes me suspect a bug is that sometimes after I try to use Corresponding Selection in a text, and thereafter click the down verse arrow to go to the next verse, it jumps to the start of the same chapter.
Earlier screen shot showed many resources in Link Set A, which includes Geneva Bible Notes. If Link Set A is located at 1 Corinthians 11:30, then navigating down one verse in a Bible sends 1 Corinthians 11:31 location to other resources in Link Set A. Geneva Bible Notes goes from 1 Corinthians 11:30 to 1 Corinthians 12:1 so sends location update of 1 Corinthians 12:1 to other resources in Link Set A, which causes Bibles to jump over 1 Corinthians 11:32-34 to the start of the next chapter (Link Set navigation working as designed).
Screen shot shows Multi-View Resources feature is not enabled so may want to consider purchasing Logos 8 Fundamentals
Encountered Corresponding Selection bug in 8.15 Beta 1 on macOS 10.15.5 by selecting "is Paul" in KJV 1 Corinthians 3:5 that highlights Paul correctly in SBLGNT, but highlights the "is" verb for Apollos in SBLGNT. Arrows show corresponding selection words that should be highlighted:
Screen shot also shows Multi-View Resources. Geneva Bible Notes follow KJV 1900 navigation (plus can be scrolled without changing KJV 1900 location). Greek Apparatus follows Greek New Testament location changes. Both Geneva Bible Notes and Greek Apparatus skip over verses (so unwise to link with Bibles for verse by verse navigation). For example, Geneva Bible Notes skips from 1 Corinthians 3:21 to 1 Corinthians 4:1
Personally prefer Visual Filter Highlighting of Logos Greek Morphology, which can be used with Corresponding Words: Lemma & Root.
Screen shot shows Paul clicked in 1 Corinthians 3:5 (KJV 1900) that causes corresponding Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:4 to be highlighted in KJV 1900 and highlights both Paul's in SBLGNT. Logos wiki has => Examples of visual filters (Visual Filter documents can be freely copied for your use).
Also prefer to hide chapter and verse numbering, which were added ~500 years ago for use in concordance(s). A number of chapter and verse numeric alignments are in the middle of original language thoughts. Right click on a word shows numeric location.
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Just to note that this bug remains in force.
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Raoul Comninos said:
Just to note that this bug remains in force.
Earlier reply is this thread by a Faithlife employee => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/191396/1106169.aspx#1106169 included several questions. First one is answered by "this bug remains in force"
Joe McCune (Faithlife) said:Dave and logosed,
I am sorry that you have not received a FL response sooner.
I am not able to duplicate the problems that you describe.
Can either or both of you confirm that this is still a problem for you? Or can other users reading this confirm it is a problem for them?
Is this still a problem for you if you restart Logos, and immediately try using this tool with only one English Bible and the SBLGNT?
Does the problem only occur if you are using this tool with several resources simultaneously?
If this is only happening sporadically, can you give some idea of how often it happens?
Using Verbum 8.15 on macOS 10.15.6 replicated Corresponding Selection bugginess using SBLGNT with two Bibles. Selecting a phrase in KJV has Corresponding Selection highlight appear in SBLGNT and ESV
Clicked word γυνὴ in SBLGNT that appears in Information Tool (configured to update on click) along with Corresponding Word highlighting of lemma/root in SBLGNT, ESV, and KJV.
Selecting a phrase in SBLGNT lacks Corresponding Selection highlight in ESV and KJV:
With five Bibles open and linked, clicked word κυρίου in 1 Corinthians 7:32 (appears in Information) followed by selecting phrase in SBLGNT
Corresponding Selection highlight appeared in NRSV and KJV while missing from LEB and ESV (buggy).
Selecting a phrase in ESV has Corresponding Selection highlight appear correctly:
Clicked in ESV to clear selection followed by selecting phrase in SBLGNT shows Corresponding Selection highlight correct in LEB and NRSV while lacking in ESV and KJV (buggy):
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