Wordsearch Moving to Logos Bible Software

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  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,963

    Will free resources that we have accumulated over the years be part of the transfer?

    Yes, they should. It doesn't look like we have your Wordsearch licenses yet; please check back on Monday.

  • (‾◡◝)
    (‾◡◝) Member Posts: 924 ✭✭

    Resources: Resources owned in Wordsearch will move to your Logos account.

    Phil/Bradley,

    FL/Logos acquiring WS is very good news!  And, I appreciate the list of titles that are going to be transitioned over to Logos. However, I have several titles that were produced for the WS application but not by LW/WS nor sold by them.  Quickly comparing my WS library list with your list of transitioning titles, I have already spotted some that are not on the transitioning list.

    Is there a similar, official list of titles that will NOT be transitioning over?

    And, if they are not transitioning over (for whatever reason), is there some way to at least convert them into, say, PDFs or Word documents?  Or are they simply lost to me forever unless I laboriously copy and paste and copy and paste and copy and paste ... ?

    Thanks. 

    p.s. Sorry to throw more questions/work at you ... I am sure everyone at FL/Logos feels as busy as the proverbial "one-armed paperhanger" right now!

    p.s.s. And while we're at it, as long as you have now taken over WordSearch ... how about bringing back good ol' InstaVerse?  I really miss that great little app.

    Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)

  • Mattillo
    Mattillo Member Posts: 6,115 ✭✭✭

    Mattillo said:

    could a facet be made on the logos store page so we can sort just by WS titles

    We don't think of these as "WS titles". They all are (or will become) Logos resources, and many already existed in the Logos catalogue.

    You will be able to facet by publishers who may not previously have had a lot of content in the Logos catalogue, e.g., B&H.

    Thank you Brad. How will we know when the titles appear in logos? Could a thread be started with the titles added this week? I’m interested in a bunch and constantly searching to see if they are in sounds boring :)
  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,963

    JRS said:

    However, I have several titles that were produced for the WS application but not by LW/WS nor sold by them.  Quickly comparing my WS library list with your list of transitioning titles, I have already spotted some that are not on the transitioning list.

    We have acquired the licenses to Wordsearch content that was sold by LifeWay (or by Wordsearch before they were acquired by LifeWay). If you have licenses that were purchased from a third party, we have no record of that, and will not be importing them into Logos. Do you have some examples of such titles and where you purchased them from?

    JRS said:

    Is there a similar, official list of titles that will NOT be transitioning over?

    We do not have a list of Wordsearch titles that were not produced/sold by LifeWay, so we can't produce this list (if I'm understanding you correctly).

    But I guess the list of titles that's not transitioning over is everything that's not on our list of titles that are migrating?

    JRS said:

    And, if they are not transitioning over (for whatever reason), is there some way to at least convert them into, say, PDFs or Word documents?  Or are they simply lost to me forever unless I laboriously copy and paste and copy and paste and copy and paste ... ?

    Since there's no "Export Ebook" function in Wordsearch (AFAIK) you'll probably have to contact the seller/rightholder of those resources and ask if there's any way they can provide a DRM-free version of that content for you.

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,963

    Mattillo said:

    How will we know when the titles appear in logos? Could a thread be started with the titles added this week? I’m interested in a bunch and constantly searching to see if they are in sounds boring :)

    If you have Automatic Updates enabled in Logos 8, then you'll get a notification in the desktop software as soon as they download.

    That's a good suggestion that we should post in the Wordsearch forum when a batch of titles is released, but I can't promise that will always happen consistently.

  • Bill Moore
    Bill Moore Member Posts: 974 ✭✭

    Bradley -- I appreciate all that you men and women at Logos are doing with the Wordsearch transition to Logos. I'll hold onto any questions for a couple of weeks while all of this plays out.

    Thanks, again.

    Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC

  • Joe Grimes
    Joe Grimes Member Posts: 10 ✭✭

    I had Galaxie's The Theological Journal Library - Editions 1-21 in Wordsearch.  It looks like most of the journals have been added to my Logos library but not all of them.  Since Logos has these journals already how come they are not showing up in my library?

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,963

    I had Galaxie's The Theological Journal Library - Editions 1-21 in Wordsearch.  It looks like most of the journals have been added to my Logos library but not all of them.  Since Logos has these journals already how come they are not showing up in my library?

    Which volumes are missing?

  • (‾◡◝)
    (‾◡◝) Member Posts: 924 ✭✭

    We have acquired the licenses to Wordsearch content that was sold by LifeWay (or by Wordsearch before they were acquired by LifeWay). If you have licenses that were purchased from a third party, we have no record of that, and will not be importing them into Logos. Do you have some examples of such titles and where you purchased them from?

    I think they are pretty much the ones included in this screenshot.  I don't remember the small company they were purchased from, but I do know they no longer exist.  Most titles appear to be public domain.  A few, like The Potter's Freedom and Boice' works, are still protected by copyright.  I know there is some overlap with Logos resources.

    Note that I possess the actual files for these resources which I always had to manually install any time WS was (re)installed or upgraded.

    It would be fantastic if Logos could convert these over for me (at least the public domain titles).

    Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)

  • Joe Grimes
    Joe Grimes Member Posts: 10 ✭✭

    Which volumes are missing?

    A good portion of the Bibliotheca Sacra volumes are missing.  Maybe just a few others at quick glance.  But the Bibliotheca Sacra gap really sticks out.

  • Jordan Litchfield
    Jordan Litchfield Member Posts: 539

    Is it possible your WS/BW account was under a different email account, eu[...]6@googlemail.com? (redacted)

    If so, your WS account isn't linked with your Logos account yet and needs to be merged in.

    Hi Bradley, yes, that is correct. I've now sent an email to cs@logos.com in order to get the old WS account merged into my primary FL account. So that will probably sort things.

    Thanks

  • Dan Francis
    Dan Francis Member Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭

    Not all Wordsearch resources are available in Logos right away; some are still being converted.

    See the FAQ for more: https://www.logos.com/wordsearch-faq#mybooks 

    Wordsearch use to sell the New Oxford Annotated Bible 3rd Augmented edition. Will this volume eventually make it to my Logos even though WS was no longer sells it?

    -dan

  • Daniel Radke
    Daniel Radke Member Posts: 234 ✭✭

    JRS said:

    I don't remember the small company they were purchased from, but I do know they no longer exist.  Most titles appear to be public domain.  A few, like The Potter's Freedom and Boice' works, are still protected by copyright.  I know there is some overlap with Logos resources.

    Note that I possess the actual files for these resources which I always had to manually install any time WS was (re)installed or upgraded.

    It would be fantastic if Logos could convert these over for me (at least the public domain titles).

    I am in the same situation. Years ago there was a company called Doxa Digital Press which sold lots of titles compatible with WS. Whenever I've changed computers, I've had to manually install their files when re-installing WS. There were a few other physical disks I had purchased from other places and also had to install those separately. One of those was the Complete Biblical Library. By and large, these resources are not showing up in my "Products Owned" pages on the WS website and thus are not transferring over to Logos. There is actually quite a lot of discrepancy between what I have unlocked in my WS library and what is displayed on the Products Owned page. This morning I emailed WS about this, and I hope they can provide a good solution to this issue.

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  • Dan Francis
    Dan Francis Member Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭

    JRS said:

    Phil/Bradley,

    FL/Logos acquiring WS is very good news!  And, I appreciate the list of titles that are going to be transitioned over to Logos. However, I have several titles that were produced for the WS application but not by LW/WS nor sold by them.  Quickly comparing my WS library list with your list of transitioning titles, I have already spotted some that are not on the transitioning list.

    Is there a similar, official list of titles that will NOT be transitioning over?

    I was very disappointed to not see the Interpreter's Bible on the list.

    -dan

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,963

    I was very disappointed to not see the Interpreter's Bible on the list.

    I see it at https://www.logos.com/wordsearch-library-migration when I type "Interpreter" into the Search box at the top of the page.

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,963

    By and large, these resources are not showing up in my "Products Owned" pages on the WS website and thus are not transferring over to Logos.

    If they don't show up as Owned Resources in your account on the Wordsearch website, then unfortunately they're not part of the licenses we acquired and we can't import them.

  • Dan Francis
    Dan Francis Member Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭

    Apologies I didn't look under T for the and I do see the NOAB when i search.

    All my questions are answered, now to get my licences  to my LOGOS account (my WS account email was same one as I used for a test demonstration account i made to demonstrate the power of Logos before you even spent a penny)....

    -dan

  • Daniel Radke
    Daniel Radke Member Posts: 234 ✭✭

    By and large, these resources are not showing up in my "Products Owned" pages on the WS website and thus are not transferring over to Logos.

    If they don't show up as Owned Resources in your account on the Wordsearch website, then unfortunately they're not part of the licenses we acquired and we can't import them.

    If on the WS end they are able to update my list of products owned, would the updated list be able to be imported into Logos? Or is the import a one-time, already done thing?

    eChristianResources.com - Connecting Christians With Quality Evangelical Resources Available For FREE On The Internet (including links to free Logos/Vyrso resources!)

  • Steven Dresen
    Steven Dresen Member Posts: 2

    In 2016 B&H had an offer for the Wordsearch edition Spurgeon's Sermons from the Metropolitan Tabernacle for free. Does anyone know if those are being transferred? 

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    (‾◡◝) Member Posts: 924 ✭✭

    Years ago there was a company called Doxa Digital Press which sold lots of titles compatible with WS.

    Yep. You win the coconut!  Doxa was, indeed, the company I bought from.  They had a nice catalog/ministry while it lasted.

    Oh well, such is life.

    __________________

    I'll hang on to the Doxa files at least until WS no longer works.  Maybe a miracle will happen and the Owner of what was Doxa Digital will see this thread and release all of his titles/licenses to Logos ... Oh, look - a flying pig!  [;)]

    __________________

    FWIW: I checked my email archives.  Doxa Digital Press was located in Lake Monroe, FL.  The domain, doxapress.com, is no longer active.

    Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,963

    If on the WS end they are able to update my list of products owned, would the updated list be able to be imported into Logos? Or is the import a one-time, already done thing?

    We're discussing if and how we can handle Doxa licenses. I don't have an answer at this point, and I don't know if WS would be able to update their systems to include these non-Wordsearch licenses.

  • Joe Grimes
    Joe Grimes Member Posts: 10 ✭✭

    Bradley, did you look into those missing journal volumes?

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,963

    In 2016 B&H had an offer for the Wordsearch edition Spurgeon's Sermons from the Metropolitan Tabernacle for free. Does anyone know if those are being transferred? 

    The Wordsearch resource titled Spurgeon's Collected Sermons (Met. Tabern. Pul.) should be imported to Logos.

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,963

    Bradley, did you look into those missing journal volumes?

    Not yet.

  • RHC
    RHC Member Posts: 138 ✭✭✭

    Will all the Wordsearch resources that will be migrated to Logos have page numbers in the Logos editions?

  • Rusty Davidson
    Rusty Davidson Member Posts: 90

    Phil, I have noticed a few of WS links go to different Logos resources. (e.g. https://wordsearchbible.lifeway.com/products/21347-holiness) and other issues (e.g. owned WS book shows owned on one Pre-Pub but not for a different Pre-Pub.) And that some licensed works do not show available or 'Coming Soon'. 

    How/to whom do we report the discrepancies?

  • Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife)
    Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 991

    How/to whom do we report the discrepancies?

    Thanks for pointing them out. Please send them to weberrors@faithlife.com (the more issues you can report in one single email the better).

    Senior Director, Content Products


  • (‾◡◝)
    (‾◡◝) Member Posts: 924 ✭✭

    We're discussing if and how we can handle Doxa licenses. I don't have an answer at this point, and I don't know if WS would be able to update their systems to include these non-Wordsearch licenses.

    Thank you so much ... couldn't ask for more. Looking forward to the answer and hoping for the best.

    Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,963

    I have noticed a few of WS links go to different Logos resources. (e.g. https://wordsearchbible.lifeway.com/products/21347-holiness) and other issues (e.g. owned WS book shows owned on one Pre-Pub but not for a different Pre-Pub.)

    I just want to point out that we used a "fuzzy match" when linking the product pages together, as we felt it wasn't a big deal if the link went to the wrong Logos product.

    We were much more conservative with linking the licenses for imported accounts, since that's much more critical to get right. This is why you may see reports of missing licenses; they haven't been linked up yet.

    So don't worry if you see erroneous links from the Wordsearch Store to Logos; that won't affect the quality of the migration of your library to Logos. But please still report them when you see them so we can get them fixed.

  • John Simpson
    John Simpson Member Posts: 143 ✭✭

    Years ago, I purchased up a number of Wordsearch libraries on CD from bookstores. I also purchased CD’s and downloads from Doxa/Rejoice Software and Galaxie for books that Wordsearch did not carry. Over the years, most of those books became directly available from Wordsearch.

    A while back I noticed that although the books worked fine in Desktop and could be downloaded and updated, they did not show on my account. The *.ulk unlock files were only local on my PC. Since I still had the CD's, I scanned them and asked my sales rep to register them to my account. He was also able to register a couple of resources I had purchased as a Doxa download since the resources were now available from Wordsearch itself.

    I'm sure there are a number of Wordsearch users who have a similar situation, but never realized their online account did not reflect all their purchases and never registered their CD's.