Favorite Wordsearch Features
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Mike Binks said:
Hi Jesse
Any chance of posting a screenshot of your Wordsearch Panel so that we can see if it is possible to replicate it?
I am struggling with uploading a picture but here is a link to a short video explaining how to use the cross reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYHYzmuMtHY
Thank you for your response to my post.
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You can copy from the search results without even clicking on the open in new window tab which saves me time.
You can also see all of the books that search results are found in by scrolling down the page.
Currently in Logos you have to click through pages to see all of the results.
I just find it to be quicker and more intuitive for me, especially when I select to search all books.
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As I believe has been suggested previously the Cited By Tool is the closest to this in Logos
You can scroll down and see where the reference is mentioned and see the first part of what the resource says about it
You can right click on the small arrow at the top of each section heading and Copy the text of what is shown
Clicking each result will open the linked resource in a separate window.
As I say its not the same but it might help a little
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This was something my wife wrote about WS. If anyone has any workarounds or suggestions, Please let me know.
Things I miss about WordSearch
- It was intuitive. WordSearch was user friendly and easy to figure out. Tools were clearly labeled and easy to find. No searching for instructions or tutorials to figure it out. Open and start using.
- It created a study or devotional layout without difficultly. A simple to find tab for setting up a layout from a template, from a current layout, or from a blank layout so I could make it exactly like I wanted. No searching for instructions or tutorials to figure it out.
- It kept my place. When I reopened a layout, it picked up where I left off, instead of where I set up the layout. No searching for instructions or tutorials to figure out how to make it do that.
- It opened one Bible chapter at a time. Scrolling through a chapter with a scroll wheel or using the scroll bar was easier because it was not scrolling the entire Bible, just one chapter. Simple arrow tabs went to the next chapter.
- It had a verse highlighter for tracking. The selected verse was highlighted, as well as the same verse in any parallel versions, to make it easy to see where I was and find the corresponding verse in the parallel version. The scroll wheel function took the highlighter to the next verse.
- It had a simple Bible drop-down tab. A window with the current scripture reference and a drop-down arrow to select a new book. Book selection went to a window for chapter selection, which went to a window for verse selection. Simple point-and-click to find a specific verse in any layout.
- It had parallel versions. It opened side by side views of multiple translations that stayed synched for easy comparison. Translations abbreviations linked to a drop-down menu to switch between any translation in the library.
- It was not so complex that it took weeks of study to figure out how to use it. Streamlined and straightforward.
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These are a great list of areas Logos would very much benefit from focusing on. So much in Logos is very unintuitive. Layouts not having even an option to remember where you left off is head scratching and favorites/bookmarks are also very user unfriendly. Reading books is core functionality, yet something Logos manages to way overcomplicate.
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Very observant and clearly stated. Thanks!!
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Scott Hoagland said:
1. It was intuitive. WordSearch was user friendly and easy to figure out. Tools were clearly labeled and easy to find. No searching for instructions or tutorials to figure it out. Open and start using.
Ongoing desktop application annoyance is Click & Wait (non intuitive). Thankful for Docs, Guides, and Tools having "Find" (at top of menu) as list of items can be long:
Not obvious is Library, Docs, Guides, & Tools menu size can be changed by dragging an edge.
Hovering mouse over "Close All" button does not have a pop-up so created thread => Bug: 9.4 Beta 2 Close All does not have a tool tip pop-up
Scott Hoagland said:2. It created a study or devotional layout without difficultly. A simple to find tab for setting up a layout from a template, from a current layout, or from a blank layout so I could make it exactly like I wanted. No searching for instructions or tutorials to figure it out.
Logos & Verbum desktop applications have a Layout menu, which has QuickStart Layouts (includes Devotional & Study Bible)
Scott Hoagland said:3. It kept my place. When I reopened a layout, it picked up where I left off, instead of where I set up the layout. No searching for instructions or tutorials to figure out how to make it do that.
Concur layout design remembers location when created OR updated (has keyboard shortcut)
Program Settings has Startup Open option to automatically pick up where left off (closing application saves current location into a layout)
Scott Hoagland said:4. It opened one Bible chapter at a time. Scrolling through a chapter with a scroll wheel or using the scroll bar was easier because it was not scrolling the entire Bible, just one chapter. Simple arrow tabs went to the next chapter.
Locator bar has Navigation options, which has clickable arrows for previous & next:
In a Bible, an Article = one Chapter.
Scott Hoagland said:5. It had a verse highlighter for tracking. The selected verse was highlighted, as well as the same verse in any parallel versions, to make it easy to see where I was and find the corresponding verse in the parallel version.
Corresponding ... options enable choice of how many word(s) for corresponding highlighting.
Screen shot does not show under Corresponding Words that Same Lemma and Same Root are checked. Opened New Living Translation (NLT) with visual filters unchecked followed by click on "praises" in Psalm 150:6 so many corresponding words were highlighted in many verses:
Searching for Milestone causes verse(s) to be highlighted: e.g. {Milestone <ps150.3-4>} as does Right Click on word(s) with Reference selected.
FYI: Chapter & verse numbering are relatively recent additions (~500 years ago), which in a number of places does not match original language sentence boundary. For example, Philippians 4:5 is in the middle of a Greek sentence. Disappointed by quotes of Philippians 4:6-7 "Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to יהוה God. And the peace of יהוה God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus." that leaves out "The יהוה Lord is near" reason for not being anxious about anything.
Scott Hoagland said:6. It had a simple Bible drop-down tab. A window with the current scripture reference and a drop-down arrow to select a new book. Book selection went to a window for chapter selection, which went to a window for verse selection. Simple point-and-click to find a specific verse in any layout.
Faithlife Feedback => Add Bible Book, Chapter, Verse selector to Locator Bar for Navigation has 6 votes, which could have similar ideas => Drop-down list when changing Bible chapters/verses with 2 votes plus => bible book, chapter & verse selection with 1 vote merged.
Faithlife mobile apps have Book, Chapter, Verse picker. Desktop applications can use Table of Contents in a Bible for clicking Book & Chapter (albeit may need to scroll OR collapse previously expanded Books). Thankful can change location using abbreviated Bible book (2 or 3 characters) followed by chapter # (period) verse # for quick typing: e.g. ss2.4 (for Song of Songs 2:4). Also Thankful can type word(s) in pericope(s) for drop-down list of pericope location(s).
Caveat: new feedback website needs a separate login so please vote => Add the feedback website to the Faithlife SSO system that has 15 votes.
Scott Hoagland said:7. It had parallel versions. It opened side by side views of multiple translations that stayed synched for easy comparison. Translations abbreviations linked to a drop-down menu to switch between any translation in the library.
Two options for syncing location changes is 1) Link Set(s) and 2) Multiview Resources
Left side of screen shot shows three Bibles in Link Set A. Changing Bible location in any of the linked tabs causes location update to be sent to all other tabs in the link set. Bibles & Bible Commentaries can be linked. Caveat: Bible Commentaries that do not have a comment for every verse can cause Link Set surprise location jumps: verse sent to Bible Commentary that does not have that verse results in location change to next Chapter/Verse in that Bible Commentary, which is then sent to the other resources linked together.
Right side of screen shot shows Multiview Resources where the primary resource *left most" is the location master. Secondary resources follow the Primary's location change plus can be scrolled without changing Primary's location: e.g. Lexham Hebrew Bible is Psalm 150 (Primary) while Lexham English Bible (LEB) is Psalm 149 (Secondary)
Scott Hoagland said:8. It was not so complex that it took weeks of study to figure out how to use it. Streamlined and straightforward.
Concur Logos & Verbum applications have a learning curve for effective use. Thankful for many friendly forum & Faithlife discussions: have learned a lot plus have a lot to learn. My favorite Logos & Verbum feature is visual filter highlighting that can combine thousands of search results for simultaneous display. Logos Wiki => Extended Tips for Highlighting and Visual Filters includes:
FYI: every verse in Psalm 150 has a command (Imperative OR Jussive) to Praise God! Hallelujah! is a command to Praise God!
Thankful for thread => Wordsearch-Logos Equivalent Features while noticing Logos & Verbum have many more features & capabilities than Wordsearch. For original language word navigation & study, Logos & Verbum use lemma's (dictionary spelling) instead of Strong's numbering of lemma's (useful in the Bible, but lacks lemma numbers for other original language resources).
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Scott Hoagland said:
. If anyone has any workarounds or suggestions, Please let me know.
This is not a rebuttal - simply a different perspective. Whatever software you are familiar with is always going to feel more intuitive. When I got my father Quickverse to replace his software that no longer ran, I had trouble figuring out how to open a specific Bible to a specific verse. When you are trying to convince a retired rancher in his mid-nineties that the new software is as manageable as what he had, that was embarrassing.
Need instructions for save a layout? I don't see how it could be much easier that click the layout menu, name current layout. But, years in IT with the same two peers taught me something very important. BP need videos, instruction, or documentation for every tool; I would get bored partway through the first lesson and simply jump in and try it ... figuring out problems as I went along. GP simply waited until BP and myself were comfortable with the tool, start using it and depend on us to answer any questions. The pattern never changed in 20 years. The degree to which people need to search for instructions and tutorials is only partially a reflection of the software. It is more a reflection of one's learning style.
One chapter at a time? I would be screaming bloody-murder. I hate the arbitrary chapter-verse divisions and adamantly demand that I can see any resource in a unit based on sense and logic. My point is that one person's favorite feature may be another person's biggest design flaw. Neither person is "right" and it would be very appropriate to ask for a feature that allowed you to request a passage and not scroll continuously. I can see that being very useful in some settings were Logos is being projected on a screen for all to see.
The fact that Wordsearch remained streamlined and lacked features that it's competitors had is probably a factor in its downfall. Yes, the fact that Logos has features that are used primarily by academicians makes complexity that the lay person and the seminarian student will never need. But much of it is hidden because you lack the resources that support it. The trick is to keep your focus on what you need to achieve what you want to do. For example, both the keeping one's place and the parallel versions are available in Logos. Yes, go ahead and try to find instructions - but don't waste your time on it. Come to the forums and ask. If you've found a way to do something that is slow or awkward or otherwise annoying, come to the forums to ask if there is a better way.
And don't forget to acknowledge that changing software for a familiar task is always going to be a frustrating, annoying task ... until the new software becomes what you are most familiar with.
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Thanks for that comment. As a former WORDsearch user, I have taken my time to get into using LOGOS 9, so I can use it successfully.
I use this software mainly for my own Bible study and also putting together a piece/talk, now and again, for our Zoom Sunday meetings. We are one small group of our larger Anglican church, that currently cannot yet meet in person due to the UK's COVID-19 "lockdown" restrictions.I have used LOGOS mainly with the New International Version (NIV1984 & NIV2011), but I have over 25 Bible versions on my desktop, which I can click along, in order to compare verses in the different translations/paraphrases to make the words speak clearly to me.This is something I learnt from working in radio, both mainstream and Christian in the UK and Zambia, as well as speaking in churches of many brands/groupings/denominations across the West Midlands, Yorkshire & Zambia. I, often, found that it was The Message (MSG) or the Contemporary English Version (CEV) that made a passage clear to an audience. In addition, I now also use the Bible for Everyone (B4E) and The Passion Translation (TPT).I am of a generation that when I started to use a computer in the 90s, firstly a Sinclair ZX-81, I found that the computer at our radio station had only enough memory for the jingles and commercials, so all the music had to be played out from CD or vinyl in our programmes, and not on a computer playout system as radio stations use today.It, therefore, takes me a little longer to get used to new software programs such as LOGOS.Blessings.
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Scott Hoagland said:
Things I miss about WordSearch
- It was intuitive
Hi Scott, welcome to the Logos user community. As a (very) long-time user of WS myself (since 1993) and also a Logos user (~10 years), I’d like to offer a rumination on my own ideas concerning some of this. I’d begin by echoing the thoughts of others that intuitiveness in software seems often to be essentially a combination of simplicity and familiarity.
It is true that tools in WS were clearly labeled and easy-to-find, but that’s because there were so few of them that they could basically all have their own dedicated location on the toolbar. An exception to this was the Sermon Manager and Notestack tools bizarrely sharing the same toolbar location prior to WS12, where you had to use a drop-down to pick which one would be visible! They separated them in WS12, when they also added an icon for the new Lexicon Explorer tool. However, when you clicked that tool icon, all it did was open a window that explained why the window didn’t do anything (you can only instantiate the tool by double-clicking an original language word within a text), and then provided a link to remove the icon from the toolbar!
On the other hand, the WS Verse Explorer tool was so un-intuitively designed that it had to provide written instructions on the Welcome screen to first open a resource selection window before entering a verse selection, but it would then run the search when the resource selection window was closed instead of returning to the Welcome screen for entering a verse selection!! I find similarly awkward construction in the Bible Notes implementation, which forces the user to start from the annotation tool instead of providing an easy way to add an annotation to a passage via mouse selection or right-click or something. I liked the tool, but it was backwards to me. Intuitiveness is truly in the eye of the beholder!
For my money, the primary (not only) measure of an application’s intuitiveness is what it offers in the right-click context menu for what I might want to do with a selected object/word. There is simply no comparison between the functionality offered between the two apps’ context menus…
The Layout-related concerns you raise suggest just an incomplete familiarity yet with the options Logos provides for Layout management, but it also reminds me of one of my biggest beefs with what I considered the un-intuitiveness of WS: the lack of ability to perform a kind of Save-As for a Desktop layout. There was no way to both “save your place” and keep the starting point intact. BTW, do you understand the difference between WS Desktops and Templates well enough to explain it to me? I never figured it out. Layout management is vastly better implemented in Logos, in my opinion. Not to mention that changing layouts in Logos never produces fatal application errors, as has happened so many times over so many years in WS, and just happened to me again 5 minutes ago as I was playing with it again:
FWIW - I considered the inability to display text across chapter divisions to be a major flaw in Wordsearch introduced at the time of the Epiphany Software merger (WS7, released in 2004), and never corrected.
Some of the other “missing” features of WS you mention I quite agree with. The WS verse picker for Book-Chapter-Verse indexed resources, and TOC/Index-style picker for Headword indexed resources, were fabulous, and hopefully will be adopted by Logos. I also liked the WS “current verse highlight” feature, and would love to see that implemented as an option in Logos, but not as a fixed feature (some Logos users have expressed a strong desire to not see this in Logos). I’ve also argued that the WS Parallel Bible tool was more usable than the alternative solutions in Logos, which include basic window linking, multi-resource display in a single window (works similarly to a WS linkset with a Driver window), and the Text Comparison tool – all of which are good in their own way. I’d love to see a simple Parallel Bible tool modeled on the WS tool implemented in future Logos editions.
All that being said, I think there’s an awful lot of subjectivity that goes into these kinds of comparisons. I’ve done extensive evaluations of various Wordsearch versions in the past, and my views are certainly colored by years of both productive use of the program and by long-simmering frustrations with its many shortcomings.
Logos is also far from perfect, but, compared to my Wordsearch experience, I’ve seen a far greater commitment to excellence in Logos since I started using it seriously about a decade ago. You’ve basically just gone from driving a jalopy to a luxury sedan, and you didn’t pay a nickel for the swap. I get that there are more buttons and knobs to figure out, but once you’ve figured this out, I’m confident you will consider yourself blessed that Lifeway gave up on their software, and Faithlife swooped in to salvage your ebook library investment, and provided you with overall superior tools for leveraging them.
Please continue to make constructive suggestions as to how Faithlife could improve the Logos toolset we’re all now so heavily invested it – we’re all in this together. These user forums are a good resource.
God bless you.
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Instant Verse Study!
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My sister in law, who was conducting Good News Clubs for Child Evangelism Fellowship would get stuck on a passage and ask for whatever I could send her for help. The IVS was so helpful. I selected 8-10 commentaries and sent what each had to say about the passage. It was wonderful.
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Exactly. So then, what is the Logos 9 equivalent to the IVS? How does one do that?
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Dave M said:
Exactly. So then, what is the Logos 9 equivalent to the IVS? How does one do that?
Please describe the functionality of IVS so we can see whether you can do something similar in Logos
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Graham Criddle said:
Please describe the functionality of IVS
Instant Verse Study (IVS) was a report generator used to look up a verse or range in a user-selected set of Bible-indexed resources. It aggregated the relevant content from each resource, and put it all on the Windows clipboard for pasting into a word processor document. It did not generate any kind of search results window in WS, nor did it provide citations, pagination information, footnote indicators or contents, etc.
Although it didn't always work right, the idea was that it would locate the referenced verse/range within the index structure of the resource, and return the entire contents of the smallest identified indexed section. For example, if I looked up John 18:27, it would return the text of that verse for each Bible selected, whereas in commentaries it would return the content of the commentary for 18:27 if the resource had a specific section for that verse, else it would return the content for the enclosing pericope if the resource was indexed pericope by pericope.
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Thanks John - that's a great explanation
I think the nearest to this in Logos is a Milestone search - and then using the Print / Export option to export the results
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I've had both Logos and WORDsearch for years. Here's one thing that I noticed in WORDsearch that Logos did not do: If I was looking for some commentary explanation of an Old Testament Scripture, WORDsearch would include New Testament Commentaries that would mention that Old Testament Scripture. Logos did not include a New Testament Commentary in its Passage Guide, when you pulled up an Old Testament Scripture and vice versa, when I pulled up a New Testament Scripture, Logos would not include any Old Testament Commentaries.
I also found that WORDsearch would include any Commentary that mentioned a Scripture passage that I was researching, where Logos would be "Scripture-specific," when I used the Passage Guide. I found some useful information in WORDsearch that I did not find using the Passage Guide in Logos. It would be great if Logos could expand the Passage Guide to have the Commentaries more than just "Scripture-specific."
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Thanks, Graham, for that reply. Somehow I never knew there was a search called "Milestone." I must have been asleep when that was shown.
Question: Is there a way to limit the resources Logos uses? I did that search and it had (I guess) all of my Bibles, including foreign language Bibles I never knew I had.
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depdad said:
I've had both Logos and WORDsearch for years. Here's one thing that I noticed in WORDsearch that Logos did not do: If I was looking for some commentary explanation of an Old Testament Scripture, WORDsearch would include New Testament Commentaries that would mention that Old Testament Scripture. Logos did not include a New Testament Commentary in its Passage Guide, when you pulled up an Old Testament Scripture and vice versa, when I pulled up a New Testament Scripture, Logos would not include any Old Testament Commentaries.
I also found that WORDsearch would include any Commentary that mentioned a Scripture passage that I was researching, where Logos would be "Scripture-specific," when I used the Passage Guide. I found some useful information in WORDsearch that I did not find using the Passage Guide in Logos.
Fortunately, the functionality you're looking for already exists. Simply add your Bible Commentaries (or the subset of them that you care about) to a Collection and add that Collection to the Passage Guide.
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James H. Schafer said:
Question: Is there a way to limit the resources Logos uses? I did that search and it had (I guess) all of my Bibles, including foreign language Bibles I never knew I had.
Yes. One library filter is: Lang:English Type:Bible
Another library filter is MyTag. My library has a custom Top 2 Commentary Series => Creating a New Series of Commentaries and subset of Bibles for use in Bible searches for displaying results in Grid
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Graham Criddle said:
I think the nearest to this in Logos is a Milestone search
Graham, I think that probably is the closest Logos can get with existing tools. It does point out how much more difficult it can be to do certain things in Logos though.
In WS, you click the tool icon (or right-click a Bible verse), and the tool opens up with the active verse loaded. You check or uncheck and boxes next to listed resources if you want to change the scope set determined at last usage, then click the button, and the info you want is on the clipboard in a few milliseconds, ready to paste. You could show somebody how to do it in 10 or 15 seconds.
For someone to try to replicate that in Logos, they’d have to somehow know to type a curly brace, followed by the word “Milestone”, followed by an angle brace, then type their reference, then be sure to close the angle brace and the curly brace. That’s just to enter the search term. I’m going to suggest that no more than 10% of Logos users are going to do that, or even know that they could.
In WS, you could load a Collection if desired into the search dialog box for defining resource scope, and either run as-is, or modify by checking/unchecking boxes from among 3 lists (Bibles, Notebooks, and “Commentaries”, which was really all B-C-V indexed resources besides Bibles and Notebooks). Logos, in its aversion to dialog boxes, presents only the usual (narrow!) scope drop-down which allows you to pick one object of pre-defined scope, so if you have a Collection created that fits the bill you can select it, but otherwise you have to stop and go create a new Collection first.
The Milestone search is actually pretty handy. If it were available to select as a Search Type on the Search menu bar, users could use that subsection to enter such terms without needing to know the search programming grammar. I’d think it would be more intuitive for users if it were labeled Article Search rather than Milestone Search, but that’s hair-splitting. (I doubt many users beyond the minority who use PBB have any idea what a Milestone is; everyone knows what an Article is. But maybe Entry is better. Or Section. ?? Whatever.)
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John W Gillis said:
It does point out how much more difficult it can be to do certain things in Logos though.
From the discussions I have seen here (I have never used Wordsearch) that does seem to be the case.
John W Gillis said:I’m going to suggest that no more than 10% of Logos users are going to do that, or even know that they could.
A long standing request has been for Logos search to be simplified - with some form of query builder, for example. But with the breadth of functionality on Logos I understand how doing that could be a real challenge. But, yes, I wouldn't expect everyone to know how to do this.
John W Gillis said:In WS, you could load a Collection if desired into the search dialog box for defining resource scope, and either run as-is, or modify by checking/unchecking boxes from among 3 lists (Bibles, Notebooks, and “Commentaries”, which was really all B-C-V indexed resources besides Bibles and Notebooks). Logos, in its aversion to dialog boxes, presents only the usual (narrow!) scope drop-down which allows you to pick one object of pre-defined scope, so if you have a Collection created that fits the bill you can select it, but otherwise you have to stop and go create a new Collection first.
In searches, you can use "Quick Collections" and define many of these options on the go as per the example below:
John W Gillis said:The Milestone search is actually pretty handy. If it were available to select as a Search Type on the Search menu bar, users could use that subsection to enter such terms without needing to know the search programming grammar.
Search Templates (available by clicking the icon at the top-left of the search panel) get close:
But I think it would be a real enhancement if it provided the option to just do a milestone search
John W Gillis said:(I doubt many users beyond the minority who use PBB have any idea what a Milestone is; everyone knows what an Article is. But maybe Entry is better. Or Section. ?? Whatever.)
Again I think you are right that not many would know what a milestone is - but it is at least documented in the Logos help file:
Milestones
A milestone marks a specific location in a Logos resource. It can be thought of as a waypoint or point of interest within the text of a resource.
For example, the beginning of every verse in a Bible will be marked as a location using a milestone that defines the verse. Milestones are called Indexes in Resource Information, because they tend to function as organizational markers within resources.
A single resource may have many milestones indexes. For example, many print editions of Josephus have one or both of two competing reference schemes (Whiston and Loeb, named for their creators) and Logos editions of the works of Josephus generally have milestone indexes for both schemes.
Logos Help (Bellingham, WA: Faithlife, 2018).
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I added the commentaries, but they don't appear on the list as an available commentary like WORDsearch does. (e.g. Old Testament passage does not access New Testament Commentaries).
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depdad said:
(e.g. Old Testament passage does not access New Testament Commentaries).
This works fine in the Passage Guide if you do what SineNomine suggested: add a Collections section to your Passage Guide (if not there already), and then in the Settings for that section, select a Collection containing the commentaries you want to query. If you don't specify a Collection, it will search everything, which will probably give you more that you want.
BTW - You are unlikely to find passages for OT passages in NT commentaries listed in the Commentaries section of the Passage Guide - that section does not appear to be looking for xrefs mentioning the target verse. Use a Collections section instead.
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John W Gillis said:
that section does not appear to be looking for xrefs mentioning the target verse.
The Commentary section does not contain that information. It is carried in the important passages section -- no need for adding a collections section.
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MJ. Smith said:
It is carried in the important passages section -- no need for adding a collections section
The Important Passages section is a nifty xref generator, and may very well provide the poster with some of the cross-Testament relationship information he's looking for, but I read the request as one for using the Passage Guide to query NT commentaries for content dealing with an OT passage. To do that in the PG, I believe having a collection of commentaries loaded into a Collections section of the PG is the way to go.
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Thank you, sir for your help. I put in the MacArthur NT Commentary, and it worked. Can you tell me how to put multiple commentaries into a personal collection?
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depdad said:
Can you tell me how to put multiple commentaries into a personal collection?
custom Collections are created/populated in the Collections tool window, which can be found under the Tools menu (scroll way down to the Library section in the list), or you can type Collections into the Search bar and "Show Collections" will appear as a choice.
The tool window is a bit of an odd duck, and it can be tedious to add items one-by-one, but you can use a filtering option as a shortcut.
Click New to create a new Collection, then give it a name. You can drag individual entries into the smallish "+ Plus these resources:" area from a Library window. You can also get things to show up in the "Resulting Collection" section by entering a filter term in the little box where I scrawled an F in the pic below. i.e. if you type MacArthur in that field, every book that matches that in title or author etc will show up in the bottom, and you can either drag them up to the + Plus section, or just leave the filter word in place so the results will keep showing up. You can enter multiple lookup terms and it will find either, as long as you separate them with commas. i.e. if you type "MacArthur, NAC, WBC" into the filter field, you'll get all three of those commentary sets to show up if you have them. You'll need to experiment a bit.
What I've done to create a Collection of most-used commentaries is to add a tag to each of my favorite volumes in the library, and filter on my tag. I use the word Shelf for my tag, as in the books I want on the shelf near-by. I then created a Collection I called Commentary Shelf, and populate it dynamically by putting the expression "mytag:Shelf" in the filter field, and just leave it like that. It's an extra step to add the custom tag to each good commentary first, but it's very handy for eliminating results from less interesting volumes and focusing on the ones I like best.
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Graham Criddle said:John W Gillis said:
I’m going to suggest that no more than 10% of Logos users are going to do that, or even know that they could.
A long standing request has been for Logos search to be simplified - with some form of query builder, for example. But with the breadth of functionality on Logos I understand how doing that could be a real challenge. But, yes, I wouldn't expect everyone to know how to do this.
I'm still waiting for the existing Search functionality to be accurately documented somewhere within the program. Like in Logos Help and Verbum Help, for instance. That would be handy.
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depdad said:
Can you tell me how to put multiple commentaries into a personal collection?
MyTag is a collection, which can also be used with custom series => Creating a New Series of Commentaries
Logos Wiki => Collections
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Thank you so much. You're a blessing
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I would greatly appreciate having my LESSONmaker back! When calling into the call center for help, I was told a year ago that it was going to "come out soon."
I used LESSONmaker almost every week to help lead group discussions groups and as I understand "it is or may be in production" but I was told that a year ago and we are still waiting on it. LESSONmaker is a great tool!!! I don't fully understand how LESSONmaker will run on the https://app.wordsearchbible.lifeway.com a "temporary site and will eventually will be taken down." Using the internet method does not work very well on a plane without out having to pay for internet.
I have used LESSONmaker well before WordSearch bought it. I ended up buying WordSearch for the sole reason of keeping up with the operating systems as they rolled out and having my LESSONmaker up-to-date.
I grew to really liking many features of WordSearch, such as ZScript. It really made my sermon preparation was MUCH easier than Logos method of pulling scriptures over into a Word or WordPerfect document. I'd really like to see ZScript to come back or something more user friendly than what we currently have.
Please don't get me wrong, I love my Logos as I have a vast Library that I have invested thousands of dollars in the program since it's infancy! I am however very disappointed that Logos has not delivered on their promise to take care of this LESSONmaker issue.
Thank you for your serious consideration as many like me who was very fond of WordSearch because it was made for people who like less complicated and user friendly operation. But even at losing Wordsearch, comparing both programs, Logos had many more features that really liked over WordSearch. [:)] I hope this is constructive and helpful in understanding how this is important to many who was accustomed to a very good resource. ~PJH
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P.J. HICKS said:
I am however very disappointed that Logos has not delivered on their promise to take care of this LESSONmaker issue.
Welcome to the forums. If you check on feedback.faithlife.com you will see that the Lesson Maker (Builder) is a project that is in progress. One would expect it to be a major project, similar in size perhaps to the Sermon editor (w/o the manager). Depending upon the source of the questions, there may also be tagging issues for resources . . . etc. If I recall correctly, Faithlife purchased WordSearch in September. Given their existing workload at that time (preparing for the release of Logos 9) and given the size of their development staff, your expectations that it should be done by now are unrealistic. Sorry that you were told "soon" when any retired IT professional would have scoffed at the idea that it was a short, quick and dirty project. I know this as a retired IT professional who is practicing her scoff.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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P.J. HICKS said:
I would greatly appreciate having my LESSONmaker back! When calling into the call center for help, I was told a year ago that it was going to "come out soon."
Agreed that LessonMaker is a great tool and glad to have it in Logos.
Using this I can cut and paste into Sermon Builder documents.
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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May I add my welcome to the forums as well P J it will be good to have an additional source of information among the community.
Just for the avoidance of doubt, I guess you know but others visiting this thread my not realise, none of the functionality of Wordsearch has been removed from that programme and at this, early stage, of the transition most folks copies of Wordsearch should be working as they did before.
That said P J have you somehow lost the ability to use your original programme in the interim period between Logos taking on the work of creating a 'lesson maker' clone and its completion? While I know nothing of Wordsearch I am sure somebody here can offer some advice about regaining temporary access to the facility.
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Mike
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P.J. HICKS said:
I would greatly appreciate having my LESSONmaker back! When calling into the call center for help, I was told a year ago that it was going to "come out soon."
LESSONmaker is a tool I use every week and was thrilled when I saw it in Resources Updated yesterday in Logos. The format is somewhat different, but totally usable. I think you will like it.
So, P.J., check your Library, I think you will be pleased. God bless you and your ministry to His glory.
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Logos seems to be more about the software than the books. WordSearch was more about the books than the software. I find it frustrating to look up a book and not be able to find it. WordSearch did have quicker, more efficient access to the books. If I look up "Ancient" in the Library, I get I & II Corinthinas, I & II Kings, I & II Peter, Abraham, etc. None of those have the word "ancient" in their titles. Really, the "Ancient Faith Bible Commentary" should be the first thing to come up. I am convinced that the degree of success which Logos will achieve can be measured by how successfully Logos merges these two together.
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JASON HINES said:
None of those have the word "ancient" in their titles
If you don't want references to "ancient" in product descriptions, try TITLE:ancient
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I guess I have a lot of "getting used to." I still have a lot to learn. So, your trick worked. I typed in TITLE:ancient and sure enough, the Ancient Faith Study Bible came up first. Any transition can be frustrating. I will just have to keep at it.
Just to be clear, I am thrilled with Logos and I'm very thankful for so many features. I would do a commercial! Still, it is hard to get over the feeling that WordSearch had things to offer that Logos doesn't. Where I am wrong, I just need to be patient and learn "the Logos way" of doing things. Where I am right, I do hope that Logos tech will recognize it and create the perfect marriage of WS to Logos.
Thanks again so much for your help.
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JASON HINES said:
Logos seems to be more about the software than the books.
That's a rather sweeping statement.
JASON HINES said:I find it frustrating to look up a book and not be able to find it. WordSearch did have quicker, more efficient access to the books. If I look up "Ancient" in the Library, I get I & II Corinthinas, I & II Kings, I & II Peter, Abraham, etc. None of those have the word "ancient" in their titles. Really, the "Ancient Faith Bible Commentary" should be the first thing to come up. I am convinced that the degree of success which Logos will achieve can be measured by how successfully Logos merges these two together.
By default the library listing will be in alphabetical order of titles, ignoring "a", "an", and "the". Thus if you know the title of the book you're looking for it's fairly easy to know exactly where it is in the list. If you want to sort in other ways, you can do so by clicking at the top of the column in the listing you want to sort by.
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David Thomas helped me out. He understood what I was talking about. I got it straightened out. I see how the Logos way of doing things works. I type in TITLE:ancient in the Library search bar and up comes my book. I understand what you were saying about the order of the books in the Library. That was not my issue. My frustration was looking up books by the search bar feature. Of course I can scroll down and all my books are in alphabetical order. I knew that. But I'd rather not scroll down through thousands of books. Were you with WordSearch before? I have talked to others who were with WordSearch before for years. They found my "sweeping statement" to be rather accurate. Perhaps you were with WS before. I'm just not sure how qualified you are to have an opinion.
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Jason, I understand the frustration we WS users have had, and are having learning Logos. When searching your library in WS you only had 1 of 2 choices, either a word in the Title, or the name of the Author. That was pretty straight forward.
In Logos when you typed in 'Ancient' Logos looked not only at the Title, but also searched all the words in the initial description. You can actually search on any of those filters in the top bar, i.e., My Tags, Publisher, Subject, Series, Type, etc..
When I searched on the word 'ancient' I got 747 hits, but when I limited to title:ancient I got 19. Being able to drill down on your Library allows you to build some really great Collections.
God bless you in your ministry to His glory.
--BroJames
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James H. Schafer said:
... are having learning Logos.
Thankful for many friendly Faithlife forum discussions: have learned a lot plus have a lot to learn.
James H. Schafer said:In Logos when you typed in 'Ancient' Logos looked not only at the Title, but also searched all the words in the initial description. You can actually search on any of those filters in the top bar, i.e., My Tags, Publisher, Subject, Series, Type, etc..
Filtering library for ancient searches many fields: description, Author, Publisher, Series, Subject, Title, ...
Screen shot shows six Library filters for ancient. Filter Author:(ancient,Fee) looks for one of two words in the author field: ancient OR Fee
Also Basic search can find Ancient articles/chapters => ([field heading,largetext] ancient) as well as Headword => {Headword ancient}
Keep Smiling [:)]
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That works great. Thank you!
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Bro. James, Just wanted to thank you again for your kind and helpful words.
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Jason, you are so welcome. We former WS users have to stick together. God bless you, my friend!!
--BroJames
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I agree, because it is frustrating to chat with someone and they sent you instructions on how to software to your email, and you still have no ideas what they are talking about. It's all Greek to you, and you are stuck back on square one. I enjoyed Preacher Outline and Commentaries- add that back in or better yet. Merge that into our subscription. Thanks.
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To James Goodman: Are you talking about the POSB (Preacher's Outline and Sermon Bible)? That has been merged into Logos from WORDsearch.
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LESSON MAKER, DROP DOWN MENUS FOR BIBLES AND COMMENTARIES, HEAR WORDS PRONOUNCED IN BIBLES!!!
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