What are your favorite Wordsearch features? What would you like to see us add to or improve in Logos?
ZipScript, easiest way for me to paste verses into my sermons
Logos has an "Action" that works in MS Word that allows you to type in a reference, right click on it, select "Additional Actions" - Logos Bible Software - Replace with passage and your scripture is pasted in. Within Logos Bible Software you can select the Bible you want to use, and you have virtually unlimited control over the format of what is pasted. I find this quick and easy. Here's a screenshot of the Action the MS Word right click menu:
Their search feature was much easier to use; it would be nice to add a second search feature to Logos that copied theirs.
Wordsearch has a "carousel" feature that lets you compare different Bible versions without having to open each Bible individually. For example I have a carousel set up with the NASB95, ESV, CSB, KJV. NIV, and NRSV included, with NASB95 open I can click on the icon and it will cycle through the various translation (displayed in the same frame or window) synced to the same passage without the need to open and close each volume separately.
Yes, I used that as well. It was very useful.
Logos does the same thing. We call it Parallel Resources. You can navigate your parallel resources through the Parallel Resources icon (the two slanted parallel lines) or by pressing the left or right arrows on your keyboard.
You can set up parallel resource sets as well.
Can you explain more about how its different and what you liked about it?
That feature in Word looks great, I would still love to see a full "zipscript" though. Ive used it tons on social media, messaging and emails.I also loved the search in Wordsearch 12, but will withold further comment until I'm better acquainted with Logos
Lots of "Hand holding" I guess. Maybe?
A pop-up Greek/Hebrew keyboard may work a little better for those who use such things.
The Library Tree may make finding the resource to include in a search a bit better.
With the WORDSearch system you can also specify multiple resources from the tree without having to create a collection.(although if i remember correctly W.S. Suggests creating the collection. See the "Save selected books as" link))
The Sermons Organizer was my favorite feature. I could see the sermons by Date or title, record usage. I know the logos Sermon Editor has a similar thing, but I could cut and paste my sermon from LibreOffice straight in, add some verses, the usage date and place and select keywords.
I was building up a pretty good collection of Sermon Illustrations also.
I could also scroll down the list of keywords or instantly search my sermons.
The search feature collections were very nice. I was just figuring them out. I've always used Swordsearcher for my Bible searches.
+1 for ZipScript.
The WORDsearch search feature was not as complicated as Logos. a screen would appear and ask you for the search term, with buttons labeled AND, ANDNOT, OR, etc. to refine your search. The complete search feature they had is difficult to explain; I deleted Wordsearch from my computer already. I wish I would have taken a screen shot of the search panel to post before deleting it. Sorry I am supplying very little information. Maybe of Logos has a copy of wordsearch, you can pull up the search function and see what i mean.
Hi Joel,
I've been a Wordsearch user since the Bible Explorer days, but I transitioned to Logos a few years back. Check out the "Copy Bible Verses" tool in Logos. It's actually better than Zipscript, and gives you full control over the formatting. I'll admit that I haven't used Zipscript in a long time, so perhaps it's better than I remember, but I love "Copy Bible Verses" and use it all the time in my lesson prep.
Bob
Certainly, I was going to say "Carousel" but you demonstrated a way to do it in Logos. In Wordsearch you can choose how many Bibles and in what order they are, which is very nice. I'd also echo Wordsearch's "Search" function BUT, I need to get familiar with Logos' first to see whether it is needful.
"Strongs" also has been mentioned and I'll second it here. But again, I think I accidently came upon something that mimics it, If only I can remember how... haha
Zipscript
I love Instant Verse Study. It is so much fadter than using the passage guide. I was recently attending axworkshop and a verse was mentioned I wanted to check out. In a 15 min break. I was able to get a quick analysis instantly. I love the passage guide, but it is too slow and too in depth for this kind of instant check.
While I've never used it, it sounds like a nice feature to be added to Logos. [Y]
"Strongs" also has been mentioned and I'll second it here. But again, I think I accidently came upon something that mimics it, If only I can remember how..
Strongs are supported by Logos (even though real Hebrew and Greek lemmas are superior - I can understand going by a number rather than signs in a script one can't even read) - Reverse interlinears will display those and some lexicon resources are keyed to Strongs.
The screenshot shows a bible with "reverse interlinear" functionality to the right (I choose the LEB, which is free, but you may have NIV, CSB, KJV, ESV, NRSV.... with this functionlity in your library). Click the Aleph&Omega Button and make sure Strongs is selected. Clicking the Strong-# will open the highest prioritized lexicon you own that is keyed to Strongs, mouse-over will offer the definition from this lexicon in a popup.
My favorite feature of Wordsearch is the ability to generate a listing of all the books that I own. This list could then be copied to the computer clipboard and pasted into Word or Excel to create an index of the books. I do not see anything like that in Logos.
Go to the Library and hit Ctrl-P (or go to the "kebap" menu with the three vertical dots on the top right of the library pane and select Print/Export), this will allow you to export the list of resources you own to a spreadsheet file.
Certainly, I was going to say "Carousel" but you demonstrated a way to do it in Logos. In Wordsearch you can choose how many Bibles and in what order they are, which is very nice.
In Logos, the answer to how many is "All of them"* and the order is determined by Prioritization: https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360019683652-Prioritize-Resources
*Unless a particular Bible doesn't have the reference in question. For example, the Lexham English Septuagint will not appear if you're cycling through versions of John 6!
faster not fadter.
In Wordsearch I could click a button to get the Strong's Numbers for a passage, not just a word search for the Greek or Hebrew; and I can't do that with Logos 8. The tutorials on this are for Logos 7, and are not applicable, because it keeps referring to an Interlinear Function that I don't see in Logos 8. I think I clicked on at least a dozen links on the FaithLife website, none of which were helpful. Make it where you can add Strong's Numbers to any passage with a click of a button. All of this makes me not want to use this software as it's not as user friendly as Wordsearch. More bells and whistles aren't necessarily a good thing... it's biblical equivalent of a "clanging gong or cymbal" Sometimes simpler is better because it's more intuitive
My Logos 8 doesn't have that button. How do you get that button?
Check out the "Copy Bible Verses" tool in Logos.
Copy Bible Verses tool is indeed a great tool but the program has to be open in order to use it. If I'm writing a casual email, or something else, and want to quote a verse, I have to open Logos, wait for it to load etc... With ZipScript, I just click on it in my taskbar and it is immediate.
Granted, if you are writing papers and things, you'll probably have the program open. I am just a layperson though and if I'm emailing something to a friend, having ZipScript is a much faster and convenient way of getting the verses into the document or email.
Sometimes simpler is better because it's more intuitive
This is very true. But it is also possible to use Logos in a simple, intuitive way depending upon what tools and resources you choose. My only experience with WordSearch is as a simple program to replace software he had used for years that no longer worked. He was in his mid 90's at the time and the transition was not easy.. The point is that initially any new software may seem foreign and exotic. It takes time to become familiar and intuitive. And as for those "more bells and whistles" remember that while they may mean nothing to you they may be essential to other users. The larger the user base, the more likely some users need unfamiliar bells and whistles.
Thanks Mark, very helpful when I use Word. I still use WordPerfect most all of the time and ZipScript is fast, always available in the taskbar, and it also makes it easy to insert verses in emails, etc. (And using a little program called Pure Text allows the verses I paste to conform to my formatting with a simple click.)
I liked the Second Monitor Support. Just click on the Display icon from the toolbar and it opens a second space. You can drag a window into the second workspace.
open a new tab, then in the 3 dots in the top right, select "float this window". Drag and drop it on the other monitor
So far from the videos I've watched Logos is combersome. The search on Wordsearch was much easier and straight to the point. I've lost most of my Bibles too.
One thing I would really like to see come over to Logos from Wordsearch is the linking. In Wordsearch, when you linked resources, you could set one as the lead, and others as followers, that way, the links only moved if the lead resource did. When I have a Bible linked to several study Bibles, and the next one in the resource set does not have that exact reference, the entire set moves. It would be really nice to set the Bible as the lead so none of the other links move unless you change the Bible reference.
Thanks, Carla
You want to use the Multiple Resource display to get the lead-followers relationship. Link sets provides the same function except all resources are treated as equals.
you could set one as the lead, and others as followers,
Carla, many have asked for that capability in Logos over the years. I'm not sure why it hasn't been implemented.
One thing I would really like to see come over to Logos from Wordsearch is the linking. In Wordsearch, when you linked resources, you could set one as the lead, and others as followers, that way, the links only moved if the lead resource did. When I have a Bible linked to several study Bibles, and the next one in the resource set does not have that exact reference, the entire set moves. It would be really nice to set the Bible as the lead so none of the other links move unless you change the Bible reference. Thanks, Carla
Hello Carla and welcome!
I completely agree that having a leader resource when using link sets would be great. Sadly, as you’ve discovered, it’s never happened.
Give the Multiple Resources feature a try and see if that gets you what you want. There’s also a support article on the website concerning Multiple Resource View.
If we can help with anything, please do not hesitate to ask.
I'm not sure why it hasn't been implemented.
We have a spec for improve panel linking that we were planning to addressing this year, but it's not going to make it. It adds a new automatic mode as well as the ability to control whether it follows only or follows locations or clicks or both. I hope we can get to it next year.
pagination in ws was more ”book” like. Felt more natural.
Btw, I’m referring to the iPad version of logos
Jan, I'm not sure what you mean as I was not a Wordsearch user.
Logos lets you set on a per-resource basis how you read that resource. If you choose you can see the resource 'page by page' or as a continuously scrolling single page. Go to the stacked three dots and under Columns choose none for scrolling view, and one of the other options for a 'page by page' view.
EDIT: only saw your clarification after I wrote and posted this.
In iOS you have the same options: scrolling or page by page. Page by page is selected by selecting one of the Column settings under the resource's View Settings menu item (under the three stacked dots). You have to toggle scrolling view on and off to either use or not use that option.
Does that make a difference?
Thanks for the tip. Already tried that. It is more the option that every chapter is its own page. it is a visual ”thing”.
if I modify the scrolling, then to switch between bible and commentary takes an extra step.
FYI, I’m glad that logos is now in charge as ws had just abandoned the iOS solutions long ago.
I think WordSearch ' User Books ' feature is much easier to work with than Logos. I also like that WordSearch has it's own built in word processor. The ' Sermons and Illustrations ' feature is probably the one I will miss the most in WordSearch which I use frequently.
I miss the current verse being highlighted. I found a forum post from 2010 that said this can not be done in Logos.
I liked that Desktops (Layouts in Logos) saved when you closed them. In Logos we have to update before we close a layout. I would like to see an option where we can specify to save layouts when we close them.
WS allowed copy and paste of verses in formats we could customize. i.e. Verses without numbers followed by citation, and customize how the citation is displayed, etc. That would be helpful to me in Logos as well
The Logos Copy Bible Verse functionality does exactly that. See this wiki page for all the options you have: https://wiki.logos.com/Copy_Bible_Verses Check it out or yourself or come back if you need more help.
Play around with the Copy Bible Verses tool, John. It’s customizable.
I will also miss being able to view PDF directly in the software. I didn't use it a whole lot but it was nice to have when I did.
This may fall under the "Panel Links" issue that is to be addressed in the future, but I am not sure. In WS, I could have an entire commentary series (e.g. Interpretation Commentaries, Tyndale Commentaries, etc.) linked under one tab so the appropriate volume would open to the correct verse when I opened that verse in a linked Bible version. I have not found a way to do that in Logos.
Thanks, Scott. Chalk that one up to my not looking far enough. I was trying it the way I did in WS. I have my favorite format style up and running. Thanks again.
Note: I am talking about multi-volume commentaries that were brought into Logos from WS. Perhaps these have not been fully integrated yet, but I have found that if I link one volume, only that volume is linked rather than the entire set.
I have not found a way to do that in Logos.
It's pretty simple to do. Open a commentary that covers the whole Bible (no matter how many volumes). Just open one volume. (Logos automatically puts all the volumes of a commentary set in a series.) Open a Bible. Under the 3 stacked dots menu, select Link Set A (or any other letter you choose). Do the same for the commentary series, using the same letter you chose in the Bible. Now type a reference in the Bible. Your commentary will jump to that reference.
Few sets of commentaries cover the whole Bible. In the case where some books of the Bible do not have coverage, the linked commentary won't open to your selected reference. That's easy to understand.
How do I get to the Multiple resource display?
only that volume is linked rather than the entire set
That is not Logos' set-up, so either the other volumes have not downloaded, or they may still be being indexed or integrated into your library.
Try opening a commentary that you know you have a second volume of that commentary in your library. Do what I explained to link them. Type a reference that would open one of the volumes and see if it does, Then type a reference that should open a second one you know you have.
One way to enable something similar in Logos is to go to your Program Settings and change the "At Startup Open to" option to "Most recent layout" (pick "local" unless you specifically have multiple computers and want to sync your layout across all your installations).
Where do you find the "Additional actions" link. I typed a reference in MS Word and right clicked but don't see an option for additional actions.
In WS, I could have an entire commentary series (e.g. Interpretation Commentaries, Tyndale Commentaries, etc.) linked under one tab so the appropriate volume would open to the correct verse when I opened that verse in a linked Bible version.
Welcome [:D]
Two options in Logos (OR Verbum) are 1) using Linked Tabs OR 2) Multi-View ||
Screen shot shows Library filtered for Interpretation Commentaries and Tyndale Commentaries for Ephesians & Philippians. LEB is the Lexham English Bible (modern language translation with literal style) in two tabs using MultiView || (duplicated top tab followed by dragging tab to change location then changed Bible location to Philippians 4:4-9). The Top LEB tab has LEB Bible plus three Commentaries due to Tyndale Commentary series having more than one volume for Ephesians: Also have scrolled down in the Interpretation Commentary to verse 19 without changing Bible location.
Bottom LEB tab shows Bible with two commentaries from volume changes following LEB Bible location change from Ephesians 5:17 to Philippians 4:4-9. MultiView || allows commentary scrolling up OR down without changing Bible location, but changing Bible location causes commentary to scroll: e.g. Interpretation Commentaries have Bible milestone ranges so scrolling Bible within range causes Interpretation location to change to first verse in that range. Scrolling LEB to Ephesians 5:17 causes IC scroll to beginning of Ephesians 5:1-20 (linked tabs would cause Ephesians 5:1-20 to be sent to other tabs in link set so LEB location would change from Ephesians 5:17 to Ephesians 5:1).
Screen shot includes information for one commentary showing my title customization, see thread => Creating a New Series of Commentaries
Keep Smiling [:)]
There are so many features of WordSearch that I would love to see added to Logos. I loved the Desktops feature, the Carousel, the Collections feature enabling more specific library searches, etc. I also loved the search abilities: Cross-Reference Explorer, Instant Verse Study, Verse Explorer...WordSearch was GREAT!! The User Interface may not have been as appealing as Logos, but WordSearch had a lot, I mean A LOT going for it. I really do hope that LIfeway takes WordSearch seriously and implements the best of both worlds. I look forward to seeing what will be done.
Jason
Welcome, Jason!
the Carousel, the Collections feature enabling more specific library searches, etc.
As noted earlier in this thread, Logos already has Carousel-equivalent functionality (called Parallel Resources), and it also has Collections.
Also mentioned some here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/193917/1117766.aspx#1117766
Hi Jason - and welcome to Logos and these forums.
Are you able to provide some details on functionality provided by the Collection Feature, Cross-Reference Explorer, Instant Verse Study, Verse Explorer?
If Logos does provide similar functionality we should be able to outline how it works
Graham
Thanks for your speedy response. I guess I am too new to Logos to realize all of their features. I am glad to know so many features carry over and I look forward to using them.
Sure, I can provide some details on those features. I got a response saying that Logos has the Collections feature. It is called Parallel
something or rather. I still have to look into it. The Cross Reference Explorer was great because a search could be done through all
of your material based on where your books just use the Cross Reference. For instance, you could actually search every time "John 3:16" is cited
throughout your books. There you would find the context and comments which could benefit your study.
Instant Verse Explorer (I don't know how they do it!) puts together a quick "I'm in a hurry and need stuff fast" collection of material for quick
preparation.
Verse Explorer is different than the Cross Reference Explorer... though they sound the same. Where Cross Reference Explorer searches
through your books for a Bible reference, The Verse Explorer feature breaks down a verse and gives you matching material on each part
of the verse. Brilliant!! So, for example, a study on John 3:16 you would find material from your books on "God" "love" "world" "giving"
"Son" "eternal" "eternal life" etc. What a great tool!
I would be thrilled to see all of these work in Logos just as effectively as they did in Word Search.
I loved the Desktops feature,
Thread => Wordsearch-Logos Equivalent Features shows
Faithlife has two desktop applications: Logos and Verbum that are substantially similar. Each Application has Help:
I also loved the search abilities:
Screen shot(s) showing your favorite search(es) and results would allow others the opportunity to replicate using Logos and/or Verbum.
Thankful for Faithlife Corporation creating a Logos Wiki that has release notes from Faithlife while remaining content is user created and maintained, which includes => Search HELP along with links to Faithlife Help Center (Support) articles: LT Search + VT Search
I have used wordsearch for many years. I have always loved it's ease of use. That includes Zipscript. But other features were very easy to use such as clicking on my library and all of my resources are listed. Now I have not had a chance to dig into Logos yet so these things may be there and I see as I use it more.
Larry, welcome to the Logos forums.
You might be interested in the information on what Logos features line up with Wordsearch features found in this thread: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/193917.aspx
I would really like to see the instant verse study feature of Wordsearch added to Logos.
It goes through the books that you indicate and gathers material on the Scripture that you choose and then makes it into a document that can be pasted into your word processor.
In my opinion this is what a true research assistance does. It does not just look up the information but also places it into a nice, readable document.
You can then do such things with the document as make it into a kindle book to read on your e-reader or amazon device.
You can also turn it into a Logos personal book and then make a note file based on it and further funnel down to the most useful material for your research.
Many people would like to see the send document feature to kindle restored but it looks like that will never be done.
Instant verse study is a nice option that helps you get one step closer to turning your research material into a kindle document.
Jesse
Save your Desktop - last desktop used or create your own.
Desktops are called layouts in Logos and you can save them. Look for the Layouts icon in the upper right of the main Logos window.
BTW: You also can set how Logos opens. Take a look at Program Settings under the Tools Menu. The first item in settings lets you select what you want the program to open to.
One of the things I liked in WordSearch was that ability to minimize panes. I also liked that I could name those panes. When I have a lot of resources open in a desktop it makes it easier to work with. I can work around the minimizing by resizing a pane to its shortest possible height (clicking on the top of the pane if it is in a lower quadrant and dragging it down to its shortest possible height). If it is in an upper quadrant of my desktop I click and drag it up. If I want to move a pane to another area of my desktop I press SHIFT, click on any tab in the pane and drag it to where I want it. The only thing that I really cannot do is to name a pane that has multiple resource tabs. There is a work around for this as well. I create a personal book for each type of pane such as commentaries, dictionaries, study bibles, etc. I then place that personal book at the far right of the pane in which it belongs. In this personal book I list other possible resources that I might find helpful including web links and then add whatever comments I might like to have regarding this particular pane. using this system I am able to have a large number of panes on my desktop at a time and not have to switch between different layouts. I am open to any suggestions or recommendations on how to make my desktops more efficient.
Michael - I use multiple displays. I have a cheap 41" 4k tv in the middle - ~200$ on sale from best buy, and on either side a pair of 100$ 24" displays. In general, I put what I'm working on (read/writing/etc) in the middle along with the 2-3 resources I'm referencing most, and then the rest of them go on one of the other two displays., Usually my desk is covered with dead tree format books also...
I tired this on the Interpreters Bible, but the different volumes in set still do not link.
I don't see this option to export in Logos 8. Is there another way?
Hi,
1) Zipscript, as others have said it allows you to paste Bible verses even if Logos is not running as well as it doesn't matter what program your pasting into.
2) In WS you can right-click on a Strong's number in a Bible passage and search where else that word was used in the Bible. This is very handy and quick when looking for additional comparisons of how a word.is translated and used.
3) I love the Strong's talking dictionary (which I see is in process)
4) I like the info window, when it was open and you hovered over a verse reference... instead of it showing up in a floating window (which is nice for quick references) the Bible reference is instead directed to the info window in the translation(s) you wish... so you can get a better context of the passage.
5) I like the resource view...
6) Lessonmaker... while very dated is a good concept for organizing our Bible Studies
7) I also like when I click on a verse in WS... it will highlight that verse
It's worth looking at the context menu in Logos (right-click a word to open it) which allows you to search on a range of options including Strong's Number as shown
The Power Lookup Tool does something similar - though not identical
Thank you, for you quick reply I had seen the context menu... and was overwhelmed with it's content... I missed the search in section... your example helped greatly
And as far as the info window goes... I think I answered my own question... there's an option in the kabab to "send hyperlinks here" so I opened another version of the Bible I wanted and set that... so now when I click on a hyperlink for a Bible reference that bible gets repositioned there and I'm all good.
Logos uses original language Lemma more than Strong's numbering of Greek & Hebrew Lemma's.
Right Click context menu in a Bible with Reverse Interlinear (OR an original language Bible) includes Lemma and Root
Right Click => Lemma has Bible Word Study link, which can show translation rings (can click on a ring segment to show verses).
Right Click => Lemma has Pronounce so can hear Lemma spoken. Homeschool starter bundle included Greek Pronunciations Dataset (Koine)
Bible Word Study includes Root section that shows related original language Lemma's (something missing from Strong's numbering).
Right Click => Root can search Bible to find related word translations: e.g. <Root = lbs/el/χαιρω> (as shown in screen shot bottom left)
Most (if not all) Lexicons in Logos/Verbum have original language Lemma indexing: e.g. Greek Headwords. Some Lexicons also have Strong's number indexing. One option is prioritizing Lexicons so Right Click Lemma lookup has Top Five lexicons of Lemma indexing (without Strong's) while Strong's Number lookup has five more Lexicon choices. Thread => searching strong's numbers has prioritization example from 2011.
Personally like Greek Audio New Testament so can use Read Aloud for Greek New Testament: e.g. Revelation 4:8
Ἅγιος ἅγιος ἅγιος κύριος, ὁ θεός, ὁ παντοκράτωρ, ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ὢν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος.
Before replying, I guess I'd say I wish this forum was more intuitive in terms of how to post, upload pics and both quote and reply directly to someone. Perhaps you can't do that OR perhaps it just doesn't work well with Safari. Particularly the uploading of pics doesn;t work and the reCAPATHA works intermittently. No need to respond to this as I won't be monitoring. [:^)]
Anyway, what I am starting to miss most is the ability to highlight (by selection) a passage of scirpture in a Bible- my group driver- and have that passage sync so that it is also highlighted when I select or carousel to any other Bible. It saves a lot of time directing your eyes exactly where they need to go in the next Bible when the paragraphs are formatted differently.
Now, let's see if reCAPTCHA will work... [:D]
Anyway, what I am starting to miss most is the ability to highlight (by selection) a passage of scirpture in a Bible- my group driver- and have that passage sync so that it is also highlighted when I select or carousel to any other Bible.
Three Bibles open with Corresponding Selection checked in Visual Filter menu (three dots). Selecting Bible Text in Center Bible with Corresponding Selection highlighting in the other two Bibles
Thankful can turn off display of chapter & verse numbering (a number of places lack alignment with original language discourse thoughts).
Before replying, I guess I'd say I wish this forum was more intuitive in terms of how to post, upload pics and both quote and reply directly to someone.
Logos wiki has => Using the Forums
FYI: personally use Opera on macOS 10.15.7 for Community Forum discussions (use Safari for other websites).
Many months ago, thousands of SPAM posts/replies flowed in so posting became a bit more challenging. One residual effect from SPAM is needing to use an internet search engine to find previous posts. If a forum search includes SPAM, then an error appears.
Bibles or commentaries can be flagged as "group drivers" for other a sync group. When a book is a group driver other books in its sync group will follow it, but it will not follow other books in its group. To toggle the group driver on or off, use the down-arrow next to the window's sync button:
Bibles, commentaries, and dictionary windows have a feature known as a carousel. A carousel allows you to set up a list of favorite books that you can flip to rapidly without opening multiple windows. To set up or use a carousel, use the controls at the bottom of a carousel-equipped window (on the bottom left corner of a Bible, commentary, or dictionary window):
Use the Manage Carousel button to add, remove, or reorder books in the carousel. Use the arrow buttons to flip between books in the carousel.
I miss
However, I can not seem to put them in the order that I want them... It defaults to alphabet order???
How do you put the parallel collections in the order that you want them... It defaults to alphabetic order. Carousels allowed you to order them so that you can click right to the ones you want to see first.
I will also miss being able to view PDF directly in the software. I didn't use it a whole lot but it was nice to have when I did. I second that I have long missed that feature in Logos as well.
What is the usefulness of that feature for you?
In Wordsearch I setup a devotional desktop (Bible on one side, devotionals on the other) When I open it the devotional(s) are automatically open to today's date.
In Logos, I have to go back to the home screen and click on the devotionals again in order to update them to today's date. Even if I update the current layout I will always be at least a day off.
ZipScript. It's not just a favorite feature. It's an essential.I use it in various applications and browsers.
Thanks!
I have studied the Bible (New Testament) for years, and using WordSearch note system was the tool that really got me. I love taking notes, and I have them on just about all of the NT, and a few on the OT. I have used WS for around 10 years, and I was very pleased with how easy it was to use and to setup for my study-time. I don't do change that good anymore, and I have played around with Logos note taking, and I don't like it. Is my notes going changed when they are imported into Logos?
Hi Danny - and welcome to the forums
Is my notes going changed when they are imported into Logos?
As another Logos user I don't know what mechanism - if any - will be used for importing notes into Logos so I'm afraid I can't comment on that
and I have played around with Logos note taking, and I don't like it.
What aspect of Logos note taking don't you like? I'm wondering if there are any pointers we could provide.
Is my notes going changed when they are imported into Logos? As another Logos user I don't know what mechanism - if any - will be used for importing notes into Logos so I'm afraid I can't comment on that
There will be a mechanism, because they will be imported. Faithlife has committed to that.
How do you backup you Bible program? I could go into my library and back it up. I had a backup set for every Sunday to backup my notes.
You don't :-)
The logos engine is a relatively small download that is always available from the Logos site. The data files etc are always available to download in a similar way. Some index files would be worse than useless if backed up because they change so often as things are added, removed or updated.
Best exclude your Logos installation from your backup and save some space, time and electricity.
How do you backup you Bible program? I could go into my library and back it up. I had a backup set for every Sunday to backup my notes. You don't :-)
A bit of deja vu: https://wiki.logos.com/Feature_Wishlist (and right there at the top!)
Is there a way to make each verse of the Bible on one line instead of a paragraph?
Yes - try experimenting with the One verse per line in the Bible Text Only visual filter for the resource
Yes, that is what I wanted. Thanks so much.
Danny
I really like how you help us get acclimated to the changes. I am going to be reading and looking for your insights during my time here. Bless you brother.
John Simpson, highlighted verse was one of my favorite features. Especially when I used two monitors. When reading and following hyper-links it is NOT always easy to return to your original place of reading. With the highlighting you never lost your place even if you took a bathroom break!
When reading and following hyper-links it is NOT always easy to return to your original place of reading.
Hi Jimmy and welcome to the Logos Community.
I know very little about Wordsearch but I do know that the wonderful ability of the Logos Software to instantly jump to links can be a mixed blessing until you discover this little facility which I use all the time.
Here I have clicked on the three dot dropdown on the ESV panel in my layout and gone to 'Send Hyperlinks Here'
When I click on that the Bible Tab has a Target Icon Added to it.
Now any hyperlink in any bible will open in this panel in this translation of the Bible and the main panel will remain at the place I am reading.
I real life I float a panel on my second monitor that contains the target version of the bible so my eyes alway know wher to go to see the results of a link.
Hi Jimmy - and welcome to the forums
When reading and following hyper-links it is NOT always easy to return to your original place of reading. With the highlighting you never lost your place
How did that work? Didn't following a hyper-link change the current verse (and hence the highlight)?
By far the "instant verse study" was my favorite. I would be on a verse and wanted more information so I would highlight the verse and click on the instant verse icon, my library would show up and allow me to select the sections then it would do the search and I could then open up the Wordsearch word processor and click and paste, the entire search would now be available for me to go through, edit, add, comment on any part, highlight etc, it had a integrated word processor, then I could save the study for future reference. And read or make changes as I saw fit. I have a lot of studies saved into the word processor that I don't want to go through all that time and effort to redo, it would be nice if that part of Wordsearch could transfer into Logos.
I have jumped into Logos with both feet, purchased a Platinum package, listened to MP Seminars 3, training videos about 8 times each...and appreciate all that Logos has/is doing to make this unexpected change as seamless as possible. Thank You and God bless
Yes, that was my favorite feature as well. Logos has committed to bringing in our personal documents from WordSearch.
Carla
Hello
The features that I find most useful in WORDsearch are:
1. When I highlight an individual verse in one of my Bibles (I have at least 10-15 showing so I can click from translation/paraphrase to another) then all my most-used commentaries, including Adam Clark, Living Commentary by Andrew Wommack, Open Your Bible Commentary Page by Page Old & New Testament, Matthew Henry's Concise, Jamieson-Fausett-Brow, J Vernon McGee's Thru The Bible and the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge by Reuben Archer Torrey also highlight the same verse.
This is a very useful tool when I am doing my own Bible readings.and preparing the Sunday talks, that in 'normal' times I give to our Anglican church plant.
2. The ability to highlight either Biblical text, from whichever of my Bibles I believe gives the clearest rendering of the verses as well from other books in my WORDsearch collection and paste them into my Microsoft WORD script (I used to work in radio) for my Sunday talk or for use in a Bible study.
I haven't found these, so far, in LOGOS and therefore I am still mainly using WORDsearch when I need these functions.
Blessings
Peter
Just checking exactly what you mean here.
Depending on which you mean, Logos should be able to do it
You should simply be able to select a portion of text, copy it (using Ctrl/Cmd-C) and then paste it into Word. For more control over layout and formatting you can use the Copy Bible Verses Tool - https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360015518272-Copy-Bible-Verses
Hello Graham
Thanks for these suggestions.
I will try them out and see if I can get them to work.
It's like learning to use a new type of music radio software for the first time. It all comes down to getting the parameters right for how you wish to use the software and how you categorise the music you will be playing.
I would really appreciate if you could update InstaVerse. It is a small program that was owned by WordSearch. It has not been updated in years and does not play well with Windows 10. It is a stand alone program that allows you to paste a Bible passage into any program by typing the reference and then using a hotkey. It is so much quicker than cut and paste. Also it used to open a pop up window when you hovered over a Bible reference in any program. This amazing part of InstaVerse does not work any longer. The only way I can get instaVerse to work in Windows 10 is to install it before each use. I must uninstall it after each use or it will not work the next time I boot up my computer.
The next time I buy a new computer I am afraid that all will be lost! I must have WordSearch installed on the computer to use any other Bible than the 2 that came with the original program. The program only uses Bibles that are installed by WordSearch.
I would gladly pay extra money for this program. It saves so much time in research (by bring up the reference in a separate popup window) and writing (instantly inserting a Bible passage with only the reference).
It is an orphan program that nobody seems to care about. Hopefully FaithLife will see the value in it and use their resources to bring it up to date. Thank you!
P.S. Please keep it a stand alone program so that it can be used with Microsoft Word, the internet etc.
I would really appreciate if you could update InstaVerse
Greetings James and welcome to the Forum Community
I find this facility useful on my Mac devices
Does Windows have anything similar?
Yes - using the (unsupported) Smart Tags feature - https://wiki.logos.com/Smart_Tags
User Books was a great tool. I used it to work on a variety of books I am writing as an author. I know Logos has something similar but, I just found Wordsearch more manageable to use. However, I do plan to see what Logos has.
However, I do plan to see what Logos has.
Logos Wiki has links (LT = Logos Training, VT = Verbum Training)
Personal Book creation & updating uses the same process in Logos & Verbum.
Hello Darnell. I think that Logos Personal Books is way ahead of the Wordsearch User Books. I had a number of issues with User Books and spoke to people at Wordsearch numerous times. User Books were not searchable so you needed to do a workaround if you wanted to be able to search them. My biggest issue though was that you were limited in the size of the book. It would fail if my book was too large so then I had to go back and break it down to smaller books. Definitely not what I wanted. Keep Smiling posted a link to a video that gives the basics of Personal Books in Logos. Personal Books are much more powerful than what you will see in that video. Make yourself acquainted with them and then play around with them. I think you will like them. It is one of my favorite features in Logos.
Hi Phil Gons:
If my memory serves me well, I think in WS you can add pdf to the content.
To me, what makes Logos software top of line is the superb proximity search capabilities.
If there was a way to allow Logos 9 to be able to let pdf to be searched, in my opinion that would put the software light years ahead of other software.
Peace and Grace.
Thread => What is the status of being able to import PDF and ePub into Logos? includes:
The "technical" answer is that it's much, much simpler to extract the text from a DOCX file (which is based on XML, an open standard), than a PDF file. This article is a great overview of some of the many problems you will encounter when attempting to do so: https://filingdb.com/b/pdf-text-extraction
Thanks KS4J:
If I am not mistaken someone mentioned using notes by importing the pdf content to it.
Do you know if that is feasible? are notes in L9 searchable using proximity search?
what about the option of importing webarchive files (saves from Safari browser in Mac)?
Many times there is interesting / useful information from the web, that is unretrievable after a while, if unable to use proximity search to get to the particular location for the info.
Any ideas?
Yes! Absolutely!
Give us back the option to use WordSearch. If the 1000's of pastors that invested in building their WordSearch libraries had wanted LOGOS, they would have bought LOGOS and not WordSearch. Why add this burden to pastors that are in the midst of cultural chaos and a covid pandemic? LOGOS and WordSearch existed separately and gave pastors a choice according to their needs and preferences. It is pointless to have tell you what we want to see integrated or added to LOGOS when we had a wonderful tool at our disposal in WordSearch.
Give us back the option to use WordSearch
No one has taken away your ability to use WordSearch. You may continue to use it until you move to an incompatible operating system. You simply have the option to use Logos starting anytime from now until WordSearch fails due to operating system or hardware failures.
Jeff I also had a large Wordsearch library even though I have a large Logos library as well. I do agree that Wordsearch should have given its customers the option of their input. Wordsearch was a good program but it did have its limitations and realistically its day was over. Some of the functions did not work as they were intended to. Wordsearch would have had to do a major overhaul in order to provide us with a decent upgrade. They were not willing to make that investment. I think that if we were given the option of voting on which compatible program to move to the majority of us would have chosen Logos. Yes there is a large learning curve in making the transition but I have found it to be well worth the investment both in terms of time and cost. I can use as little or as much of the computing power of Logos as I want and most days I don't use a lot of it. But when I need it I know that it is there and if I have problems figuring something out I can come to the forums and multiple Logos users are more than happy to help me out with that. Wordsearch disabled their forum features a number a years ago and so if I had a problem with a Wordsearch feature I only had Wordsearch employees to turn to. I could never figure out why Wordsearch did that. Yes there were a couple of Wordsearch forums set up by individual users but they were not very active. What I have found is the more I use Logos the more I appreciate what I can do with it. I am also thankful that now I have the majority of my digital resources in one library where I can utilize them together. My advice would be to continue to use Wordsearch as long as you have access to it while at the same time develop your skills with Logos. If I had the choice of Logos or Wordsearch I would have chosen Logos hands down. God bless you as you study His Word and seek to serve Him.
One of the things I thought was really nice in Wordsearch that I've missed in Logos is the verse picker navigation tool for Bibles and other resources with Bible indexes. Unlike the similar Logos navigation box, you could click the down arrow and drill down as far as verse number level with your mouse - no need to type (although you could if you wanted to).
A similar control was used in Dictionary/Headword type resources, and the drop-down would be populated with an alphabetical list of the headword entries. For multi-index resources, Logos offers a drop-down on click to select which index to navigate by. Wordsearch solved that by providing a second drop-down of available indexes, which would drive the content of the navigation control:
Now that my old resources are (mostly) over into Logos, arguably the biggest thing I miss from Wordsearch is the the verse picker navigation control on Bibles and other resources with Bible indexes. You could click the drop-down arrow on the control to drill down thru book-chpt-verse screens to change your location without having to type (although you could type if you wanted).
They had something similar for Dictionary/Headword type resources, where the drop-down would be populated with an alphabetical list of the headword entries. For multi-index resources, Logos provides a drop-down (on click) for selecting the index to navigate by in its similar but type-only box. Wordsearch solved that multi-index problem by providing a 2nd drop-down for selecting the index, which would drive the content of the navigation control, so you could still drop down the navigation control to select an entry from its list, based on the index selected.
I must say that this click-down feature in WORDsearch from Bible book to Chapter to verse was/is very helpful.
I have found in LOGOS that I have to type in the book, chapter & verse that I am wanting to read in various Bible versions.
That facility together with the 'Back' & 'Forward' arrows on the bar at the top of the WORDsearch page were/are a very useful facility. I haven't found anything similar in LOGOS yet.
I trust that this helps.
J Peter Wilson
Bridlington, East Riding of Yorkshire, England/UK
Mobile App has Selector: Book, Chapter, Verse next to location, which would be an appreciated addition so Please Vote:
Desktop => https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/add-bible-book-chapter-verse-selector-to-locator-bar-for-navigation
Web App => https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-web-app/posts/add-bible-book-chapter-verse-selector-for-navigation
Thankful for Bible Book Abbreviations
Entering Abbreviation shows verse & pericopes for location selection (can use period between chapter & verse) (verse default is 1)
Locator Bar in Logos Tab has (Back) < > (Forward) along with History drop down
Tools => History has Tab Navigation list (can click an entry to open Tab to a previous location)
How do I search for variant rating in the UBS Version 5 Apparatus? It does not search the standard way with <{D}> or <D>.
Inline search can find {D}
What version of Logos do you have?
I miss the ease and functionality of ZipScript
I've kept ZipScript and use it to import versed into Word and PowerPoint. The verse copy feature works well in Logos for Word. You have to monkey around with formatting, when using PowerPoint, so I use ZipScript there.
Instant Verse Study was also a favorite Wordseach feature of mine.
Thanks for the input.
I loved Word Search and the very useful item I miss, and now waste much time by not having is the great convenience of Zip Script. I can hardly wait until it becomes available in my Logos 8 software.
I can hardly wait until it becomes available in my Logos 8 software.
Logos 8 (& Verbum 8) are no longer supported (as of 3 Mar 2021) => https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360007391412-About-Free-Support (so not anticipating any more Logos 8 & Verbum 8 software updates)
Suggest "purchasing" free Logos 9 Basic and/or Verbum 9 Basic for upgrading Logos 8 to Logos 9.
Faithlife feedback has 1 vote => add Zipscript application (surprising considering how many times Zipscript has been mentioned in this thread)
Caveat: new feedback website needs a separate login so please vote => Add the feedback website to the Faithlife SSO system that has 14 votes.
Not sure about all this, but I still use Zip Script all the time. It loads each time I boot or reboot my computer and I have it load when I hold Alt and click Z. Here is a post using the feature.
Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
I loved Word Search and the very useful item I miss, and now waste much time by not having is the great convenience of Zip Script. I can hardly wait until it becomes available in my Logos 8 software. Not sure about all this, but I still use Zip Script all the time. It loads each time I boot or reboot my computer and I have it load when I hold Alt and click Z. Here is a post using the feature. Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
On macOS Big Sur 11.2.3, am Thankful for Text Service => Replace with Passage, so selected Php 4.4-8 followed by Replace with Passage:
FYI: for Faithlife forum discussions, personally use Opera web browser on macOS. Also could use my modified keyboard shortcut.
Philippians 4:4–8 (LEB)
Be Anxious for Nothing
4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I say, rejoice. 5 Let your gentleness be made known to all people. The Lord is near. 6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. 7 And the peace of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are honorable, whatever things are right, whatever things are pure, whatever things are pleasing, whatever things are commendable, if there is any excellence of character and if anything praiseworthy, think about these things.
Thankful for Logos & Verbum being usable at the same time: Verbum has my demonstration library with order total of $ 0.00 while Logos has my purchased library. Replace with Passage text service copies Bible verse(s) from highest prioritized Bible (Lexham English Bible in Verbum & Complete Jewish Bible in Logos). Logos Replace with Passage of pp 4.4-8
Philippians 4:4–8 (1998:CJB)
4 Rejoice in union with the Lord always! I will say it again: rejoice! 5 Let everyone see how reasonable and gentle you are. The Lord is near! 6 Don’t worry about anything; on the contrary, make your requests known to God by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving. 7 Then God’s shalom, passing all understanding, will keep your hearts and minds safe in union with the Messiah Yeshua. 8 In conclusion, brothers, focus your thoughts on what is true, noble, righteous, pure, lovable or admirable, on some virtue or on something praiseworthy.
Caveat: MS Word recent update is unfriendly to Text Services => Insert/replace Scripture reference in Word on a Mac no longer working while Messages needs additional paste => Replace with Passage (Logos) service not working for Logos 9.3.0.0040 in MacOS Big Sur 11.2.1's iMessage app
This was something my wife wrote about WS. If anyone has any workarounds or suggestions, Please let me know.
Things I miss about WordSearch
These are a great list of areas Logos would very much benefit from focusing on. So much in Logos is very unintuitive. Layouts not having even an option to remember where you left off is head scratching and favorites/bookmarks are also very user unfriendly. Reading books is core functionality, yet something Logos manages to way overcomplicate.
Very observant and clearly stated. Thanks!!
1. It was intuitive. WordSearch was user friendly and easy to figure out. Tools were clearly labeled and easy to find. No searching for instructions or tutorials to figure it out. Open and start using.
Ongoing desktop application annoyance is Click & Wait (non intuitive). Thankful for Docs, Guides, and Tools having "Find" (at top of menu) as list of items can be long:
Not obvious is Library, Docs, Guides, & Tools menu size can be changed by dragging an edge.
Hovering mouse over "Close All" button does not have a pop-up so created thread => Bug: 9.4 Beta 2 Close All does not have a tool tip pop-up
2. It created a study or devotional layout without difficultly. A simple to find tab for setting up a layout from a template, from a current layout, or from a blank layout so I could make it exactly like I wanted. No searching for instructions or tutorials to figure it out.
Logos & Verbum desktop applications have a Layout menu, which has QuickStart Layouts (includes Devotional & Study Bible)
3. It kept my place. When I reopened a layout, it picked up where I left off, instead of where I set up the layout. No searching for instructions or tutorials to figure out how to make it do that.
Concur layout design remembers location when created OR updated (has keyboard shortcut)
Program Settings has Startup Open option to automatically pick up where left off (closing application saves current location into a layout)
4. It opened one Bible chapter at a time. Scrolling through a chapter with a scroll wheel or using the scroll bar was easier because it was not scrolling the entire Bible, just one chapter. Simple arrow tabs went to the next chapter.
Locator bar has Navigation options, which has clickable arrows for previous & next:
In a Bible, an Article = one Chapter.
5. It had a verse highlighter for tracking. The selected verse was highlighted, as well as the same verse in any parallel versions, to make it easy to see where I was and find the corresponding verse in the parallel version.
Corresponding ... options enable choice of how many word(s) for corresponding highlighting.
Screen shot does not show under Corresponding Words that Same Lemma and Same Root are checked. Opened New Living Translation (NLT) with visual filters unchecked followed by click on "praises" in Psalm 150:6 so many corresponding words were highlighted in many verses:
Searching for Milestone causes verse(s) to be highlighted: e.g. {Milestone <ps150.3-4>} as does Right Click on word(s) with Reference selected.
FYI: Chapter & verse numbering are relatively recent additions (~500 years ago), which in a number of places does not match original language sentence boundary. For example, Philippians 4:5 is in the middle of a Greek sentence. Disappointed by quotes of Philippians 4:6-7 "Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to יהוה God. And the peace of יהוה God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus." that leaves out "The יהוה Lord is near" reason for not being anxious about anything.
6. It had a simple Bible drop-down tab. A window with the current scripture reference and a drop-down arrow to select a new book. Book selection went to a window for chapter selection, which went to a window for verse selection. Simple point-and-click to find a specific verse in any layout.
Faithlife Feedback => Add Bible Book, Chapter, Verse selector to Locator Bar for Navigation has 6 votes, which could have similar ideas => Drop-down list when changing Bible chapters/verses with 2 votes plus => bible book, chapter & verse selection with 1 vote merged.
Faithlife mobile apps have Book, Chapter, Verse picker. Desktop applications can use Table of Contents in a Bible for clicking Book & Chapter (albeit may need to scroll OR collapse previously expanded Books). Thankful can change location using abbreviated Bible book (2 or 3 characters) followed by chapter # (period) verse # for quick typing: e.g. ss2.4 (for Song of Songs 2:4). Also Thankful can type word(s) in pericope(s) for drop-down list of pericope location(s).
Caveat: new feedback website needs a separate login so please vote => Add the feedback website to the Faithlife SSO system that has 15 votes.
7. It had parallel versions. It opened side by side views of multiple translations that stayed synched for easy comparison. Translations abbreviations linked to a drop-down menu to switch between any translation in the library.
Two options for syncing location changes is 1) Link Set(s) and 2) Multiview Resources
Left side of screen shot shows three Bibles in Link Set A. Changing Bible location in any of the linked tabs causes location update to be sent to all other tabs in the link set. Bibles & Bible Commentaries can be linked. Caveat: Bible Commentaries that do not have a comment for every verse can cause Link Set surprise location jumps: verse sent to Bible Commentary that does not have that verse results in location change to next Chapter/Verse in that Bible Commentary, which is then sent to the other resources linked together.
Right side of screen shot shows Multiview Resources where the primary resource *left most" is the location master. Secondary resources follow the Primary's location change plus can be scrolled without changing Primary's location: e.g. Lexham Hebrew Bible is Psalm 150 (Primary) while Lexham English Bible (LEB) is Psalm 149 (Secondary)
8. It was not so complex that it took weeks of study to figure out how to use it. Streamlined and straightforward.
Concur Logos & Verbum applications have a learning curve for effective use. Thankful for many friendly forum & Faithlife discussions: have learned a lot plus have a lot to learn. My favorite Logos & Verbum feature is visual filter highlighting that can combine thousands of search results for simultaneous display. Logos Wiki => Extended Tips for Highlighting and Visual Filters includes:
FYI: every verse in Psalm 150 has a command (Imperative OR Jussive) to Praise God! Hallelujah! is a command to Praise God!
Thankful for thread => Wordsearch-Logos Equivalent Features while noticing Logos & Verbum have many more features & capabilities than Wordsearch. For original language word navigation & study, Logos & Verbum use lemma's (dictionary spelling) instead of Strong's numbering of lemma's (useful in the Bible, but lacks lemma numbers for other original language resources).
Instant Verse Study!
My sister in law, who was conducting Good News Clubs for Child Evangelism Fellowship would get stuck on a passage and ask for whatever I could send her for help. The IVS was so helpful. I selected 8-10 commentaries and sent what each had to say about the passage. It was wonderful.
Exactly. So then, what is the Logos 9 equivalent to the IVS? How does one do that?
Please describe the functionality of IVS so we can see whether you can do something similar in Logos
I've had both Logos and WORDsearch for years. Here's one thing that I noticed in WORDsearch that Logos did not do: If I was looking for some commentary explanation of an Old Testament Scripture, WORDsearch would include New Testament Commentaries that would mention that Old Testament Scripture. Logos did not include a New Testament Commentary in its Passage Guide, when you pulled up an Old Testament Scripture and vice versa, when I pulled up a New Testament Scripture, Logos would not include any Old Testament Commentaries.
I also found that WORDsearch would include any Commentary that mentioned a Scripture passage that I was researching, where Logos would be "Scripture-specific," when I used the Passage Guide. I found some useful information in WORDsearch that I did not find using the Passage Guide in Logos. It would be great if Logos could expand the Passage Guide to have the Commentaries more than just "Scripture-specific."
I've had both Logos and WORDsearch for years. Here's one thing that I noticed in WORDsearch that Logos did not do: If I was looking for some commentary explanation of an Old Testament Scripture, WORDsearch would include New Testament Commentaries that would mention that Old Testament Scripture. Logos did not include a New Testament Commentary in its Passage Guide, when you pulled up an Old Testament Scripture and vice versa, when I pulled up a New Testament Scripture, Logos would not include any Old Testament Commentaries. I also found that WORDsearch would include any Commentary that mentioned a Scripture passage that I was researching, where Logos would be "Scripture-specific," when I used the Passage Guide. I found some useful information in WORDsearch that I did not find using the Passage Guide in Logos.
I also found that WORDsearch would include any Commentary that mentioned a Scripture passage that I was researching, where Logos would be "Scripture-specific," when I used the Passage Guide. I found some useful information in WORDsearch that I did not find using the Passage Guide in Logos.
Fortunately, the functionality you're looking for already exists. Simply add your Bible Commentaries (or the subset of them that you care about) to a Collection and add that Collection to the Passage Guide.
I added the commentaries, but they don't appear on the list as an available commentary like WORDsearch does. (e.g. Old Testament passage does not access New Testament Commentaries).
I would greatly appreciate having my LESSONmaker back! When calling into the call center for help, I was told a year ago that it was going to "come out soon."
I used LESSONmaker almost every week to help lead group discussions groups and as I understand "it is or may be in production" but I was told that a year ago and we are still waiting on it. LESSONmaker is a great tool!!! I don't fully understand how LESSONmaker will run on the https://app.wordsearchbible.lifeway.com a "temporary site and will eventually will be taken down." Using the internet method does not work very well on a plane without out having to pay for internet.
I have used LESSONmaker well before WordSearch bought it. I ended up buying WordSearch for the sole reason of keeping up with the operating systems as they rolled out and having my LESSONmaker up-to-date.
I grew to really liking many features of WordSearch, such as ZScript. It really made my sermon preparation was MUCH easier than Logos method of pulling scriptures over into a Word or WordPerfect document. I'd really like to see ZScript to come back or something more user friendly than what we currently have.
Please don't get me wrong, I love my Logos as I have a vast Library that I have invested thousands of dollars in the program since it's infancy! I am however very disappointed that Logos has not delivered on their promise to take care of this LESSONmaker issue.
Thank you for your serious consideration as many like me who was very fond of WordSearch because it was made for people who like less complicated and user friendly operation. But even at losing Wordsearch, comparing both programs, Logos had many more features that really liked over WordSearch. [:)] I hope this is constructive and helpful in understanding how this is important to many who was accustomed to a very good resource. ~PJH
I am however very disappointed that Logos has not delivered on their promise to take care of this LESSONmaker issue.
Welcome to the forums. If you check on feedback.faithlife.com you will see that the Lesson Maker (Builder) is a project that is in progress. One would expect it to be a major project, similar in size perhaps to the Sermon editor (w/o the manager). Depending upon the source of the questions, there may also be tagging issues for resources . . . etc. If I recall correctly, Faithlife purchased WordSearch in September. Given their existing workload at that time (preparing for the release of Logos 9) and given the size of their development staff, your expectations that it should be done by now are unrealistic. Sorry that you were told "soon" when any retired IT professional would have scoffed at the idea that it was a short, quick and dirty project. I know this as a retired IT professional who is practicing her scoff.
Agreed that LessonMaker is a great tool and glad to have it in Logos.
Using this I can cut and paste into Sermon Builder documents.
May I add my welcome to the forums as well P J it will be good to have an additional source of information among the community.
Just for the avoidance of doubt, I guess you know but others visiting this thread my not realise, none of the functionality of Wordsearch has been removed from that programme and at this, early stage, of the transition most folks copies of Wordsearch should be working as they did before.
That said P J have you somehow lost the ability to use your original programme in the interim period between Logos taking on the work of creating a 'lesson maker' clone and its completion? While I know nothing of Wordsearch I am sure somebody here can offer some advice about regaining temporary access to the facility.
Logos seems to be more about the software than the books. WordSearch was more about the books than the software. I find it frustrating to look up a book and not be able to find it. WordSearch did have quicker, more efficient access to the books. If I look up "Ancient" in the Library, I get I & II Corinthinas, I & II Kings, I & II Peter, Abraham, etc. None of those have the word "ancient" in their titles. Really, the "Ancient Faith Bible Commentary" should be the first thing to come up. I am convinced that the degree of success which Logos will achieve can be measured by how successfully Logos merges these two together.
None of those have the word "ancient" in their titles
If you don't want references to "ancient" in product descriptions, try TITLE:ancient
Logos seems to be more about the software than the books.
That's a rather sweeping statement.
I find it frustrating to look up a book and not be able to find it. WordSearch did have quicker, more efficient access to the books. If I look up "Ancient" in the Library, I get I & II Corinthinas, I & II Kings, I & II Peter, Abraham, etc. None of those have the word "ancient" in their titles. Really, the "Ancient Faith Bible Commentary" should be the first thing to come up. I am convinced that the degree of success which Logos will achieve can be measured by how successfully Logos merges these two together.
By default the library listing will be in alphabetical order of titles, ignoring "a", "an", and "the". Thus if you know the title of the book you're looking for it's fairly easy to know exactly where it is in the list. If you want to sort in other ways, you can do so by clicking at the top of the column in the listing you want to sort by.
That works great. Thank you!
LESSON MAKER, DROP DOWN MENUS FOR BIBLES AND COMMENTARIES, HEAR WORDS PRONOUNCED IN BIBLES!!!
MAYBE THIS IS NOT THE PLACE, BUT I DO WISH THAT FAITHLIFE WOULD CORRECT SO MANY ERRORS IN PRODUCTS BROUGHT OVER, FOR EXAMPLE DAILY LIGHT ON DAILY PATH DEVOTIONAL IS OT THE SAME VERSION OF THE WORK, EVERY PAGE HAS LINKS THAT DO NOT WORK, AND THERE IS NO MORNING AND EVENING DEVOTIONS, ONLY ONE, DATES ARE NOT USED ETC., THIS IS NOT THE SAME PRODUCT AS WORDSEARCH, AS A LONG TIME LOGOS USE I AM DISAPPOINTED. I WAS HAPPY AT THE MERGE, NOW I WISH IT NEVER HAPPENED. THANKS FOR LISTENING
I DO WISH THAT FAITHLIFE WOULD CORRECT SO MANY ERRORS IN PRODUCTS BROUGHT OVER
DLDP is currently an Ebook. (automatically scanned and tagged). Faithlife has asked us to be patient as the 10s of 1000s of titles are brought up to Faithlife standards.
Welcome to the forums. Please come frequently and ask questions. To hear the words pronounced in a Bible, right click on the word, select lemma on the left and speaker on the right:
I want the carousel function feature that was in Wordsearch. If you have never used Wordsearch than you might not be familiar with its functions. Has Faithlife considered offering an experienced Wordsearch user or trainer to help them understand what has been lost to us?
I created 5 window panes in my layout. There were no maximum panes in Wordsearch or how you laid out your columns as there is in Logos.
Once you configured your layout you could continue to save multiple layouts. Now comes the most important part:
As a WS user scrolled through the scripture pane all their commentaries, cross reference panes, etc would scroll or carousel with the scripture. If there was not an entry by a commentary for that particular verse then that tab would vanish and reappear when it did.
For the life of me, I cannot find a way to do this in logos and I was able to study much faster and deeper this way without constantly changing resources. Also I can't simply choose an entire commentary set for a tab...I have to select which volume rather than have all my favorites loaded in tabs which simply appeared as you scrolled through the scripture.
I just can see that in logos yet. It's easy to talk about the "greatness" of Logos when you have only been a Logos user and have never experienced Wordsearch. I could also do an inline search of my entire library and perhaps I can here to but when I did it in WS each resource opened in a new tab in the "appropriate" window pane in my layout.
I didn't even know this migration and acquisition took place until last weekend and it appears that Faithlife (aka Moneylife) doesn't seem to care to give me an exe of my purchased WS10 and 11 but have already shutdown the servers for them. Just wonderful! I am sure Jesus is just ecstatic over how this transition has taken place especially that most of the WS users are not mega pastors with mega salaries who can afford the "exorbitant" prices that faithlife charges for its resources while LIfeway was more of a "ministry" to pastors making it very, very affordable.
I would simply call my salesman, text him personally, email him anytime night or day and he would sell what I wanted for even less than the sale price on the WS website which was always 1/3 to 2/3 cheaper than logos was charging and as always your personal sales person would thrown in some free resources with EVERY purchase!! Very loving people and located in the U.S. in Nashville. Now I talk to people in Mexico who the owner has put to work in place of the all the U.S citizens out of work right now.
Wow! I'm very upset if you couldn't tell.
Most of what you want is available in Logos. It is just a matter of learning where and how. To get panels to scroll together see: Link Sets – Logos Help Center See Parallel Resource Sets – Logos Help Center for the carousel for commentaries. Every time you get stuck, come to the forums - you'll get 7/24 help. However, "insulting" those of us who have always used Logos is not the best way to get helpful answers from me - yes, I recognize it is just frustration but before my first cup of coffee?? I don't know how you got someone other than Bellingham or Arizona.
Hi Mark. Yes I can tell. I was both a WS and Logos user and had a fair amount invested in both products. I agree, the learning curve is much steeper in Logos than it was in WS. It takes some time to make the transition. Morris proctor has some good trainings and although they are on subscription basis you could subscribe for one month and then decide from there. LearnLogos also has good trainings. The folk here on the forums are very helpful. I have discovered that it works much better on the forum if I ask just one question in a post. I get more pointed suggestions and there are usually more replies to my posts. In terms of Logos provided training Wiki and Logos Features are a good place to start. One of the things I liked about WS was the online trainings, they weren't just videos to watch. We could register for a training and attend it with a few other WS users where we could ask questions. I took advantage of that numerous times. I would like to see something like that in Logos where new users could connect with more experienced users in online trainings on Zoom or some other platform. I think that would make the transition a lot easier.
I want the carousel function feature that was in Wordsearch.
You can setup Logos to be similar, but Logos is missing some valuable Wordsearch features.
I'm hoping some of this code makes it into the next version.
Agree, the carousal and search feature in WordSeach was so much easier and I liked the Library feature in WS, it was easier to find my books. It has been two years, are they working on it?
Hi, 1) Zipscript, as others have said it allows you to paste Bible verses even if Logos is not running as well as it doesn't matter what program your pasting into. 2) In WS you can right-click on a Strong's number in a Bible passage and search where else that word was used in the Bible. This is very handy and quick when looking for additional comparisons of how a word.is translated and used. 3) I love the Strong's talking dictionary (which I see is in process)
I quit using the strongs number 30 years ago. In Logos you can use the Lemma which is the dictionary form of any biblical word and consult your lexicons on that particular word. This is a much more efficient system. Currently, I have the Strongs number turned off in my interlinear bibles. Bible Word Study guide will be your friend if you use it and prioritize your go to lexicons for Greek and Hebrew.
Hi, 1) Zipscript, as others have said it allows you to paste Bible verses even if Logos is not running as well as it doesn't matter what program your pasting into. 2) In WS you can right-click on a Strong's number in a Bible passage and search where else that word was used in the Bible. This is very handy and quick when looking for additional comparisons of how a word.is translated and used. 3) I love the Strong's talking dictionary (which I see is in process) I quit using the strongs number 30 years ago. In Logos you can use the Lemma which is the dictionary form of any biblical word and consult your lexicons on that particular word. This is a much more efficient system. Currently, I have the Strongs number turned off in my interlinear bibles. Bible Word Study guide will be your friend if you use it and prioritize your go to lexicons for Greek and Hebrew.
I believe you can also right click on a word, select the lemma, and run a search for the lemma. It works similar to how Strong’s Number searching worked in Wordsearch, but more precise.
I believe Bible Word Study can also show Hebrew and Greek Pronunciations if you have those resources purchased. They work as well as Talking Strong’s.
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