Logos Desktop on Surface Pro X?

Is there anyone who participated in Windows Insider program, owns a Surface Pro X, and managed to run Logos Desktop? The x64 emulation whilst still on beta, looks somewhat promising. Just wondering if anyone out there is able to test this out for those deciding between the usual Surface Pro/Pro X. I know the Pro with Intel chip is theoretically far more powerful than the Pro X, but I'm really leaning towards the Pro X for its design and battery life.

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David Thomas

see https://community.logos.com/forums/t/185519.aspx and https://community.logos.com/forums/t/187873.aspx

The ARM-based processor that runs 32-bit Win10 applications is NOT supported by Logos at this time (as of Jan 2020) with no plans to do so.

Perhaps with the demand for Apple silicon (that moves away from Intel chips), Logos will write for some of the newer hardware in both the MAC and PC worlds.

Joshua

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1145565#Comment_1145565

Yes I am aware that Logos does not officially support ARM devices. But I thought it might be worth asking about how the recent release of 64-bit emulation is holding up now. As I've seen on Youtube some people have been able to run 64-bit softwares via emulation on the Pro X.

Bill Anderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1145567#Comment_1145567

Joshua, having used Surface Pro devices in the past, I would be interested in the answer to your question. Judging by the threads on the Apple M1 chips here, as soon as the Faithlife team accesses the version of the OS and their own Surface Pro X, we might learn more. Phil Gons got a Mac Mini with an M1 chip in it and provided some responses earlier in the fall.

Mark Nolette

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1145608#Comment_1145608

Logos Desktop needs good specs. The Pro X chip is nowhere near the Apple M1 in performance. To run Logos Desktop on a beta emulator on a device that reviewers call slow (except when running Edge) is not what I'd call promising. You'd probably get the performance of the original Surface Go, at best. An Intel Surface Pro would do better. I'd guess that the Surface Go 2 would do better.

Dennis C. Davenport

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1145567#Comment_1145567

The fact is that Logos 8 worked on my Surface Pro X initially albeit it was clunky. So I heard about the emulation software on windows insider and Logos 9 so I installed them both and now Logos won't even open. I installed another update today and a window comes up when I click on Logos for the first time with a screen that says contact the publisher. So. Logos is out, done obsolete at this point. I am thankful for the fact I already had Wordsearch and it still works great and doesn't spend anywhere near the time updating my library as Logos does. The sad thing is that Logos now owns Wordsearch and so they might take Wordsearch down the same road as Logos making Wordsearch as useless as Logos. I am praying they leave Wordsearch alone. If you can still find a download for Wordsearch it works great of the Surface Pro X. By the way the Surface Pro X battery life, and screen along with how thin it is makes it a great machine in my opinion. I use it to teach from. Just my two cents. Blessings Dennis Davenport.

Joshua

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1148232#Comment_1148232

Thanks for the info Dennis! Real insightful! Would it be possible to show some video footage of it running logos 8? I would be very interested to see how the Pro X is holding up. Do you think the clunkiness is due to software optimization or hardware limitation? As I can tell from the available benchmarks, the Pro X at least seems to be more capable than the Surface Go 2 m3 in multicore benchmark, while slightly falling behind in single core. And the Go 2 is said to be quite a significant upgrade from Go, which I've used before, and it wasn't particularly bad as far as I can remember. So, I'm gonna assume performance should rank like this: Go<Go 2<Pro X.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1148232#Comment_1148232

I am thankful for the fact I already had Wordsearch and it still works great and doesn't spend anywhere near the time updating my library as Logos does. The sad thing is that Logos now owns Wordsearch and so they might take Wordsearch down the same road as Logos making Wordsearch as useless as Logos.

Welcome [:D]

Concur Logos & Verbum are a resource intensive applications that benefit from gaming hardware (fast processor, fast SSD, & fast graphics).

Wordsearch FAQ => https://www.logos.com/wordsearch-faq includes

Wordsearch FAQ">
Can I still use my Wordsearch software? For how long?

Yes, you can continue to use your Wordsearch desktop software. It will continue to run on any computer that currently supports it for as long as you wish to run it. There will be no further developments made to the desktop software. The Wordsearch web and mobile app will continue to run, though the content available will become more limited over time.

In Jul 2019, Faithlife => ANNOUNCEMENT: End of support for Windows 7, Windows 8.1 & MacOS 10.11–10.13 included 32-bit Windows no longer being supported by Faithlife for desktop applications by the end of 2020 (hindsight: Logos 9 & Verbum 9 would be developed as x64 bit only applications for Windows 10 and macOS 10.14+).

Logos Web App => https://app.logos.com and Verbum Web App => https://app.verbum.com are usable on operating systems that are not supported for Faithlife's desktop applications.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Joshua

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1148232#Comment_1148232

https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-build-212921010-breaks-x64-emulation-on-arm-pcs/

Apparently there's been an update that 'broke' the emulation function. Perhaps some troubleshooting could be done to fix it. Any update would be greatly appreciated! For now I'm going to assume if it runs Logos 8, there should be no reason why it shouldn't run Logos 9, since all it takes is x64 emulation.

Joshua

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1149362#Comment_1149362

Good news! As of now, Logos 9 runs on my Surface Pro X which is at Windows Insider 21318 build. It's still indexing, so while not super snappy, it is perfectly functional.

Ryan Vance

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1154769#Comment_1154769

Interesting, I am running Logos 9 on my Surface Pro X running the latest Insider build and it just crashes at the splash screen. Am I missing any compatibility settings/drivers?

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1160130#Comment_1160130

Interesting, I am running Logos 9 on my Surface Pro X running the latest Insider build and it just crashes at the splash screen. Am I missing any compatibility settings/drivers?

You should create a new thread and post logs. See my signature line

Joshua

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1160130#Comment_1160130

That's strange. For me, it just takes a bit longer (ard 10secs) to load than say, a regular i5-10thgen. Try to check and see if you're in the dev channel or beta. AFAIK, it's the dev channel that has the emulation atm.

Btw, interestingly, the release date for the build that got my Logos 9 running in the first place, was actually quite close to me reporting the issue via Microsoft's feedback hub, like just a couple days after. Could be coincidental, or that they're really keen on improving their emulation capacity. But ultimately, we know it's providential. [:P]I plunged into buying the Pro X without knowing if it'd ever run Logos because of the design and mobility. But thankfully things are looking better now.

Ryan Vance

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1160230#Comment_1160230

Thanks, guys! Strangely, when I initially set up 64-bit emulation, I was on the dev channel and it wasn't working so I went into the insider settings and switched back to Beta. I switched back to dev again just now, it downloaded the latest dev build, and now works as it's supposed to.

JoshInRI

I just got quoted a good cost for Surface pro x but its arm based? i do not want Logos to crawl? Any better on surface pro 7?

Is Logos on a Surface Pro X an unwise choice?

danwdoo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1175896#Comment_1175896

Is Logos on a Surface Pro X an unwise choice?

At this point consider it a beta experience that is a work in progress. Probably not for the faint of heart. Give it a few more years and revisions to bake and we'll see. Logos Desktop is excellent on a Pro 7, though the touch experience could use improvement.

Joshua

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1175896#Comment_1175896

My Pro X is currently on the Windows 11 beta, and I can tell the experience as a whole is getting smoother. I'm rather optimistic since I've been using it the day the emulation first worked, While it won't be as powerful as the Pro 7, if you don't mind 4-5sec delay while running multiple tabs, and would love the versatility, I'd say you probably won't regret it. As for touch optimization, that's up to Logos to decide when to get it sorted, both Pro 7 and Pro X face the same problem here. However, if you don't use a whole lot of x64 exclusive app, and can live with the gradually improving emulation, you should be happy with the Pro X. Not to mention, I don't miss Chrome at all ever since I moved to Edge due to the limited power of the Pro X. It's so power efficient with the SQ1 chip that I think the charging frequency is doubly less than my previous Pro 7.

JoshInRI

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1145608#Comment_1145608

Bill I briefly considered an Ipad Pro MI but have abandoned the idea. I was told by a reliable source I need

MAC OS BIG SUR

to future proof my upgrade or next purchase and to date I can find no portable device (except a laptop with a screen that will NOT detach) that has it.

Apple wants people to have a Macbook and some other device not roam about with a powerful tablet that replaces a computer outright.

I am returning to possibly just upgrading my Surface Pro but NOT to the X.

Post closed in my opinion.

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1177029#Comment_1177029

I know Joshini has closed the thread.

I would not like the last word in it to contain something that might mislead.

I briefly considered an Ipad Pro MI but have abandoned the idea. I was told by a reliable source I need

MAC OS BIG SUR

to future proof my upgrade or next purchase...

iPads of whatever type, and including the iPad Pro mentioned above, run on iPadOS not MacOS. From the first iPad any updates to iPadOS (or its forerunners) have been issued as free upgrades.

Apple desktops run various flavours of MacOS (the current one being named "Big Sur") it is soon to be replaced by the next edition. For at least the last couple of decades all upgrades to MacOS have been issued as free upgrades.

Nobody should bulk at purchasing a new (or even recent) Apple product for fear of the OS becoming outdated or the cost of moving to the latest version that their unit will run.

Methinks that either the reliable source was not so reliable or that their advice has been quoted out of context.

Bill Anderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1177084#Comment_1177084

Methinks that either the reliable source was not so reliable or that their advice has been quoted out of context.

Or, that Josh decided he needed the full desktop app for his needs and not the iPad OS app that isn't full featured.

Over the years, Josh has indicated he likes mobile devices and detachable tablets in particular. That he can't have with MacOS running Big Sur, the upcoming OS version or any other unless Apple decides to allow it to run on tablets.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1177084#Comment_1177084

Apple desktops run various flavours of MacOS (the current one being named "Big Sur") it is soon to be replaced by the next edition. For at least the last couple of decades all upgrades to MacOS have been issued as free upgrades.

Wikipedia about macOS Big Sur => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Big_Sur includes macOS Big Sur being released on 12 Nov 2020, whose System requirements show three Mac models released seven years ago: Mid 2013 MacBook Air (MBA), Late 2013 MacBook Pro (laptop) & Mac Pro (desktop) are currently supported. Personal quirk is shopping Refurbished Macs => https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac for recently released Mac models (knowing tendency of Apple to support Mac releases for 6+ years). Also aware of Apple transitioning all Mac models to Apple Silicon.

Threads => Logos 9 and MAC M1 Chip & => Logos and the MacBook Air M1, compared to a maxed out 2019 MacBook Pro 16"

Reading rumors of MacBook Pro 14" & 16" being released this fall (by November). Since Apple Silicon allows iPadOS apps to run on macOS Big Sur (and upcoming macOS Monterey), am dreaming of touch screen for interaction with iPadOS apps (caveat is no mention of touch screen in mini LED screens). Like idea of running iOS apps by Faithlife along with desktop applications on one Mac.

Keep Smiling [:)]

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1177117#Comment_1177117

Like idea of running iOS apps by Faithlife along with desktop applications on one Mac.

I do this now and enjoy it. [Y]

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1177029#Comment_1177029

Post closed in my opinion.

You might try and close the thread Joshin but the MVP (it seems like all of them) will have the last word.

;-)