Is it possible to share Logos with my wife?
She wouldn't be using it professionally.
We have different devices.
Welcome Steven!
Is it possible to share Logos with my wife? She wouldn't be using it professionally.
Your Logos license is for "one user." Bob (the owner and founder of Faithlife) has graciously defined "one user" to include a spouse, provided that the software isn't being used vocationally. As you have described your situation, it sounds like you fall into that category perfectly.
Do be aware, however, that Logos IS designed for "one user." There aren't multiple user accounts, preferences, bookmarks, etc. As long as you can live with that and its implications, you will be OK.
You are able to install Logos on as MANY devices as YOU own, provided that it is for your own personal use. Your wife's devices fall under that same category.
Bob (the owner and founder of Faithlife) has graciously defined "one user" to include a spouse,
The 'has' in the above statement has sometimes been changed to 'had' as in had been defined in times past.
It has been discussed many times but, to the best of my knowledge, has not been tested in court.
You spend thousands for your library and your wife and sons can not use it just might not stand up before a judge.
Often the cost of some resources are questioned. The publishers that set the prices sometimes seem to want to change us the same price that they charge a library. The library has hundreds of users to spread the cost over. We are allowed to spread the cost over just one - 'me'.
I really WAS just looking for information. For example, how do we set it up?
But, yeah, Logos is cost-prohibitive in our situation. I am not single any longer.
In my opinion, it is short-sighted because a family would potentially buy more because each member would be interested in different subjects. But someone in my situation probably won't even introduce them to it.
It's not my company, though. What do I know?
Please consider this discussion.
We have different devices. Please consider this discussion.
I don't believe you are correct, but we never received an official answer. I just wrote to Bob for clarification.
In most states in the US, there is a legal understanding that "what's mine is hers and what's hers is mine," so there would not be any legal distinction about it being "her" computer rather than "my" computer.
For that matter, the license agreement makes no provisions whatsoever that your spouse can even use the license at all... so I am not sure where you are drawing this distinction. It is Bob himself who has "defined" what is meant by the licensing agreement.
You can make that even easier. There's no distinction between "my" library and "her" library.
In most states in the US, there is a legal understanding that "what's mine is hers and what's hers is mine,"
And here I thought I was special for living in a community property state What Are the Community Property States? - SmartAsset [:(]
I really WAS just looking for information. For example, how do we set it up? But, yeah, Logos is cost-prohibitive in our situation. I am not single any longer.
Welcome [:D]
If your wife has her own email, an idea is creating a Faithlife account followed by "purchasing" free Logos 9 Basic , Verbum 9 Basic , Lexham Intro Collection (5 vols) , Price:0 Live Unowned (caveat: some subscriptions have $ 0.00 for first month so appear in Price:0 search plus Price:0 can be used monthly for more Free books). Free "purchases" do not need a credit card plus includes email from Faithlife with software Install link, which needs device meeting Logos Minimum System Requirements
May want to consider purchasing Logos 9 Fundamentals (excellent value for $99.99 price, which may have special pricing reductions at times)
Do be aware, however, that Logos IS designed for "one user." There aren't multiple user accounts, preferences, bookmarks, etc.
Wife's installation allows her to personalize preferences, bookmarks, prioritizations, highlighting, notes, clippings, layouts, shortcuts, ...
Another idea is creating a private family Faithlife group for sharing Documents, which has sharing options for collaborative editing.
Thankful for a personal demonstration account having an order total of $ 0.00 that includes older Logos 7 Fundamentals and Logos 8 Fundamentals, which is quite usable for Bible Study. Thankful for Faithlife coupons [:D] while my purchased library causes my wallet to [:'(] Right Click on a Bible Word in my demonstration account appears faster than my purchased account since significantly less is enabled so depends on Bible Study task for which account is used (more in-depth study, which uses many commentaries needs purchased library). Thankful for Logos & Verbum being usable on one computer at the same time (using different Faithlife accounts).
Faithlife Group suggestion => https://faithlife.com/homeschool-families/activity (included a free base package a couple year ago) so am watching for more family friendly stuff, including licensing & sharing.
Possibility for reading resource(s) in your library is using Web App => https://app.logos.com or https://app.verbum.com (in a Web Browser: e.g. Chrome that has your Faithlife account sign-in so Web App & her Logos installation can be open at the same time on one device). Due to syncing with Faithlife servers, would recommend only one person be reading resource(s) in your library at a time. Having same library resource (or prioritization) open on more than one device has opportunity for sync surprises. Caveat: while this idea is technically feasible (especially using devices in one location sharing one local network), it currently violates section 5 of Faithlife Terms
Logos Bible Software Services (“LBS”)"> 5. Rights and Access Privileges for LBS Licenses. LBS Licenses may ONLY be used on devices owned by the licensee in whose name the LBS License is registered. Each LBS License is granted for use by one human user only, even where the LBS License is registered in the name of an institution such as a church. We reserve the right to monitor use of the Services subject to LBS Licenses to detect, prevent and disable excessive simultaneous logins on different devices indicating use of the Services by more than one human user. We do not offer site-licenses, shared licenses, co-op licenses, or library licenses.
LBS Licenses may ONLY be used on devices owned by the licensee in whose name the LBS License is registered. Each LBS License is granted for use by one human user only, even where the LBS License is registered in the name of an institution such as a church. We reserve the right to monitor use of the Services subject to LBS Licenses to detect, prevent and disable excessive simultaneous logins on different devices indicating use of the Services by more than one human user. We do not offer site-licenses, shared licenses, co-op licenses, or library licenses.
Keep Smiling [:)]
Is it possible to share Logos with my wife? She wouldn't be using it professionally. We have different devices.
There are long answers to your question Steven may I attempt a short one.
No problem with your wife signing into your account on her device.
Good idea to prefix note titles (for at least one of you) with 'His', 'Hers', or other discriminator.
Live with the fact that you may need to make careful use of Layouts to retain sanity.
Every time you open Logos and find a surprise setting; give thank for a spouse that loves the King (that's not you BTW)
I'm not sure from where you are coming. What exactly did Bob say/define? What distinction am I supposed to be making?
Dave - I will contact you through another means. [:)]
Logos is cost-prohibitive in our situation
KS4J provided a detailed response which I wanted to touch on briefly. He is right that Logos does not have to be expensive. It is possible for you to pick up many free and inexpensive resources, especially through the use of Logos Basic. There are good reasons for her to have her own account.
On the other hand, I believe you should feel free to share your account with her if you would like (as long as it is for non-vocational purposes). If FL disagrees, they are more than welcome to clarify.
Bob (the owner and founder of Faithlife) has graciously defined "one user" to include a spouse, The 'has' in the above statement has sometimes been changed to 'had' as in had been defined in times past. It has been discussed many times but, to the best of my knowledge, has not been tested in court. You spend thousands for your library and your wife and sons can not use it just might not stand up before a judge. Often the cost of some resources are questioned. The publishers that set the prices sometimes seem to want to change us the same price that they charge a library. The library has hundreds of users to spread the cost over. We are allowed to spread the cost over just one - 'me'.
It's been awhile, but I made this argument years ago. I appreciate Logos, but the EULA, as it's set up, it pretty much a racket. Yes, Bob is lenient (I'm not sure "gracious" is the right word) in terms of what he allows in relation to what the language says, but the idea that one person only is allowed to use a library of 20,000 titles is absurd. I understand that digital resources can be abused and so some caution is necessary, but the EULA requirements based on a CD's contents (50-150 resources) doesn't really transfer over well to a five-figure library. It's not a practical problem issue at present, but I could see a time when I want to allow others to access my library for my benefit (a secretary, for instance). As digital becomes the norm rather than the exception in publishing, I can see a place for disruption of this space as far as EULAs are concerned, a la Robin Hood and free trading. The EULA "theory" for Logos 1995 and the EULA for Logos 2021 shouldn't be the same. Massive resources should not be exclusive to a single user, period. Customers should only have to pay for a share of the product cost of encyclopedic sets and multi-volume commentaries. I don't know what the breakdown should be, but for instance, 3-6 users should be allowed to use a 10-volume dictionary or 20-volume commentary, just like with printed matter. Practically, that means each user would only pay a corresponding percentage of the set cost. Under such a scenario, many more users would have much more reason to invest in their Logos libraries because the overall value in terms of search capability would mushroom. Instead of a mountain too daunting to contemplate, attaining an affordable library that is powerful, empowering, and highly useful would encourage rather than discourage usership.
I assume that this would require a full-spectrum reordering of the current rights negotiations, but FL should be pushing HARD on publishers to move in this direction.
The EULA "theory" for Logos 1995 and the EULA for Logos 2021 shouldn't be the same.
You are correct David.
While I would not agree that I should automatically be allowed to vary an EULA, the concept of 'owning' or 'exclusively licensing' resources is outdated. The whole model is a little 19th Century. But it does suit those with a 19 Century way of thinking and those should be catered for.
A 20th-century solution would be the subscription model where you either got unlimited access to a limited library or, perhaps time-limited access to a huge library.
I am sure that there is a 21st Century solution that simplifies the subscription model and totally eradicates the 'it's my library' mindset. The trouble is that I have a 19th Century brain.
I have Logos on my laptop, my desktop. My wife uses it whenever under my logon. Ethically and morally, I see no problem with that.
It has been discussed many times but, to the best of my knowledge, has not been tested in court. You spend thousands for your library and your wife and sons can not use it just might not stand up before a judge.
The value of Logos is a LARGE library. Has Logos charged anyone with violation of the 'agreement' and what were the results?
Mobile Ed: Master Collection $29,422.25
Baker Ultimate Collection (1,365 Resources) $24,647.93
Logos 9 Ultimate $16,724.56
Eerdmans Ultimate Collection (1,058 Resources) $18,404.90
Zondervan Ultimate Collection (858 Resources) $13,829.05
The Complete Classic Commentaries Bundle 4.0 (2,044 vols.) $3,027.18
Evangelical Exegetical Commentary (EEC) (44 vols.) $999.99
And ONLY YOU [singler] can use them??
In my opinion, it is short-sighted because a family would potentially buy more
This is my view. I have L9. Now I have 3 children actively using L9. I had to purchase the program, therefore, 4 times. And they all continue to want resources as they study...and I purchase it for them. Tonight my wife has decided she wants the program also. So they all see the value of the program as they have seen me use it over the years.
I wish there was a family license. Or as the owner of Logos, I wish there was a way to purchase a license for the family to use. If you hook your children on the program, they then want their own copy as they reach a certain age. If you hook children and a spouse onto the program, they also becomes salespeople as they sing the praises of how they have benefited from using Logos.
While it has been a huge expense for me to purchase the program several times, I have had no regrets as I see the program being used to further understand the Bible and grow in their faith. What more would a parent want? But the sacrifice is huge and I really don't know what to do now that my wife has expressed an interest in the program.
I have always remembered Bob's gracious response in 2009....and bookmarked it. I guess I did not realize that it has been replaced by updated terms. It has not affected me to date. But it reminds me that with the change of presidents, management or time, things that were true in the past may no longer be true (the huge change from L3 to L4 comes to mind).
So short-sighted...yes. Would I like to see clarity? Yes. Would I like FL to develop a family license agreement? Yes. Do I think FL is unwise to not have a family license agreement? Yes.
Feedback => Base packages for families has "In progress" status with 26 votes.
Praying for Godly wisdom as Faithlife creates & implements Christian Home Family base packages while being cognizant that Faithlife apps & applications have been designed with single user focus so suspect every group-licensed user should have their own account(s) & installation(s) for personalization, reading progress, notes, ...
FYI: know of one church youth group using YouVersion mobile app that tracks usage with points. Like idea of Christian Home Family mobile education certificates.
Last reviewed a year ago, so zero progress made. Maybe tweak the EULA a little bit would be better.
DAL
I can assume there are certain domains in e-publishing of which I am unaware, but what Logos "is" has always been unique and cutting edge. The only entity that can envision, comprehend, and understand what Logos CAN, SHOULD, and OUGHT to be is FL, with guidance and direction from the Logos user base. My point is that it is incumbent upon FL to drive the publishing world with which it interfaces in the direction it needs to go--the content publishers simply cannot comprehend these things on their own unless there happens to be a few publishing-world individuals trafficking in both spaces. In this analogy, FL are the cowpokes and the industry are the steers who need to be steered. Whatever the process requires, it is solely up to FL management to guide and shape the industry's response to the requirements of both Logos as a product and its wide user base.
Feedback => Base packages for families has "In progress" status with 26 votes. Now has 27 votes.
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RE: EULA From: Steve Workman (steve.workman@logos.com) To: mattgubala@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 06:34 PM EDT Matt, Thank you for contacting us with your concern. Our end user license is a single user license. A husband and wife are considered one user, as long as they do not use it for two different businesses. Since the license are all in one account, you will both need to have the same user id and password. It is still one Logos 4 program. Any notes, highlights, prayer lists, etc that one of you will create, will sync and be visible in the others program. If you want all of this separate, you will each need to purchase your own program. Steve Logos Support Department 800-875-6467 | 360-527-1700 | UK Callers: 0(871)218-1700 www.Logos.com/Support - Logos Support www.Logos.com/Videos - Training Videos You study with Logos, now present with Proclaim. From: matt gubala [mailto:mattgubala@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:28 PM To: Logos Technical Support Cc: Matt Gubala Subject: EULA Hello can you clarify how the EULA differs from the Logos home edition? http://www.logos.com/product/10410/christian-home-library http://www.logos.com/support/EULA I never imagined that my wife wasn't supposed to use the software on my computer. this contradicts the description of the home library. please advise?
RE: EULA From: ... To: ... Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 06:34 PM EDT Matt, Thank you for contacting us with your concern. Our end user license is a single user license. A husband and wife are considered one user, as long as they do not use it for two different businesses.
10 Oct 2012 EULA email content about Logos 4 Bible Software agrees with earlier Logos Single user guide (posted by Bob Pritchett, CEO, on 16 Jul 2009), which has been super-ceded (replaced) by 15 Mar 2019 publication of Faithlife Terms specifically sections 1 & 5:
Faithlife Terms"> 1. General. By establishing an individual User (defined below) account or registering a Community (defined below) at Faithlife.com, submitting an Order (defined below) or otherwise using any Faithlife (defined below) products or services (the “Services”), you certify that you have read, are authorized to agree to, on your own behalf or on behalf of your Community, as applicable, and agree to be bound by these Faithlife Terms of Service (“Terms”). By entering into this agreement with Faithlife, LLC, a Delaware limited liability company (“Faithlife”), you represent and warrant that you are of legal age to form a binding contract with us. If you are under the legal age to form a binding contract then your parent, guardian or other legal representative must agree to these Terms on your behalf and you hereby represent and warrant that they have done so. In no event shall the Services be used by persons less than thirteen (13) years of age and the Services are not intended for use by such persons. We may revise and update these Terms from time to time in our sole discretion. The date on which these Terms were last amended is shown above. All changes are effective immediately when we post them and apply to all access to and use of the Services thereafter. However, any changes to the dispute resolution provisions will not apply to any disputes for which the parties have actual notice before the date the change is posted. Your continued use of the Services following the posting of revised Terms means that you accept and agree to the changes. We encourage you to check this page each time you access the Services so you are aware of any changes, as they are binding on you.
By establishing an individual User (defined below) account or registering a Community (defined below) at Faithlife.com, submitting an Order (defined below) or otherwise using any Faithlife (defined below) products or services (the “Services”), you certify that you have read, are authorized to agree to, on your own behalf or on behalf of your Community, as applicable, and agree to be bound by these Faithlife Terms of Service (“Terms”). By entering into this agreement with Faithlife, LLC, a Delaware limited liability company (“Faithlife”), you represent and warrant that you are of legal age to form a binding contract with us. If you are under the legal age to form a binding contract then your parent, guardian or other legal representative must agree to these Terms on your behalf and you hereby represent and warrant that they have done so. In no event shall the Services be used by persons less than thirteen (13) years of age and the Services are not intended for use by such persons.
We may revise and update these Terms from time to time in our sole discretion. The date on which these Terms were last amended is shown above. All changes are effective immediately when we post them and apply to all access to and use of the Services thereafter. However, any changes to the dispute resolution provisions will not apply to any disputes for which the parties have actual notice before the date the change is posted. Your continued use of the Services following the posting of revised Terms means that you accept and agree to the changes. We encourage you to check this page each time you access the Services so you are aware of any changes, as they are binding on you.
On 12 Sep 2014, Logos Blog article => Logos is Faithlife announced Corporation name change.
Thankful for free Basic libraries and features (not available in 2009 & 2012), which reduces spousal need for sharing one desktop LBS installation. Thankful for Logos 9 & Verbum 9 new feature of account icon for easy switching.
This is somewhat off topic, but a question I had. My first Logos purchase was around 1995. If that were the only Logos purchase I ever made, would I be under the EULA from 1995 or the most recent EULA that is valid for 2021?
I have made multiple purchases (even one today), so this doesn't apply to me, but just something I was curious about.
RE: EULA From: Steve Workman (steve.workman@logos.com) To: mattgubala@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 06:34 PM EDT Matt, Thank you for contacting us with your concern. Our end user license is a single user license. A husband and wife are considered one user, as long as they do not use it for two different businesses. Since the license are all in one account, you will both need to have the same user id and password. It is still one Logos 4 program.
Matt
It is irresponsible of you to post this at the end of the preceding discussion on this topic, implying that advice from 2012 gives permission in 2021. The EULA of that time is outdated by the Terms of 2019, which does not provide any such explicit permission.
i will not continue with you DH but your attack is unwarranted, i'll see you in heaven, but I might not sit next to you
Put it this way. If you had an email similar to the one above, then you have that permission to use your 1995 software because you clarified the Terms of use from the company. You are wise enough to know that it does not extend to the 2021 version of the software if the actual Terms of use have changed.
Thanks Dave.
My wife cannot stand reading on computers or any other electronic device, so I will never have to deal with the topic of this thread personally. On multiple occasions I've bought my wife print books when I already have it on Logos or Kindle.
