Just a thought, but controversial I am sure.
I doubt this will change ...but I am seeing more and more forums that prohibit bumping. I mention this, as I log in right now 9 of the most recent 10 posts are bumps. I find myself checking the forums less and less on the weekends, due to the high volume of bumps that show up then.
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Other forums I frequent will post to users when they bump. IMHO it makes a good point about approving bumping with additional information that may be of value. Samples of their mods' replies look like this:
This is a reminder from the moderator team to avoid bumping threads, as detailed in the "Minor Problems" section of the Forum Rules. Bumping may bring your thread to the top of the forum display, but that's unfair to other forum members unless you have new information to add to the thread. Your post may have been edited or removed for this reason.
For further information and instructions, see the Reminders section of the Moderation FAQ. If you have questions, comments, or complaints about moderation, use the Contact Form.
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Just a thought to ponder.
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One thing I do when I have some time is filter for posts with no replies and see if I can help. To me bumping makes it harder to identify these unresolved threads.
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Pater Noster said:
I doubt this will change ...but I am seeing more and more forums that prohibit bumping. I mention this, as I log in right now 9 of the most recent 10 posts are bumps. I find myself checking the forums less and less on the weekends, due to the high volume of bumps that show up then.
I have the perfect solution that is a win-win solution. Check for unanswered questions during the week and then answer them. That way there will be no posts in need of bumping.
Give me a good reason why it is better for people coming to the forums to get no help than for me to bump them and get them an appropriate responses. How does it help them, personally, and us as a user community, to leave them no response? If the user base wants me to stop, I will. In fact I have already taken a hiatus and been asked to continue.
Pater Noster said:Just a thought to ponder.
It was pondered several years before I took action ... and note that the number bumped is usually less than a dozen which hardly floods the forums.
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Justin Gatlin said:
To me bumping makes it harder to identify these unresolved threads.
A concern I share.
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Justin Gatlin said:
One thing I do when I have some time is filter for posts with no replies and see if I can help.
Unanswered for all forums => https://community.logos.com/forums/TopicsNotAnswered.aspx?ForumID=
MJ. Smith said:Justin Gatlin said:To me bumping makes it harder to identify these unresolved threads.
A concern I share.
An idea may be a single "Bump" Thread to remind all forum users about recent unanswered thread(s).
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An idea may be a single "Bump" Thread to remind all forum users about recent unanswered thread(s).
Is "Bump Thread" a list of threads that need attention where the subject would be brought up in the "Bump Thread" as needing attention rather then in the thread it self?
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MJ. Smith said:
Give me a good reason why it is better for people coming to the forums to get no help than for me to bump them and get them an appropriate responses. How does it help them, personally, and us as a user community, to leave them no response? If the user base wants me to stop, I will. In fact I have already taken a hiatus and been asked to continue.
Thank you for bumping. I certainly appreciate that you take the time out of your studies to do this.
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Pater Noster said:
Just a thought to ponder.
I guess I never pondered the forum as a competition; more a community of helpers. And it can be a wait for the right helper. Bump.
Also MJ only bumps the need help threads. I periodically comment, with the assumption no further comment is needed. Through the years, others have helped me.
But I'd comment on the need for bumps:
- Quite a few belong to FL. Bumping goes nowhere.
- And some can only be answered from a couple Logosians ... who do the bulk of answering. Program complexity and fragmented documentation.
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The purpose of bumps and small number of bumps on these forums seem beneficial.
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DMB said:
- Quite a few belong to FL. Bumping goes nowhere
Actually, I know that some of FL counts on my bumping - one has indicated that Saturday is a seemingly odd choice of when. My logic for late on Saturday is that it is a very quiet time so the bumps tend to become a single clump that others can easily bypass.
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I am not going to come here anymore, it feels like an unwelcome place to me. It irks me that I posted a general opinion about bump threads, that is a common theme across many forums. It is considered a legitimate issue, as mods of other forums have express guidelines against it. I knew some/many would disagree which is why I tried to temper my awareness of the issue by saying "Controversial". I mentioned no one by name. I did not suggest debate. I have no problem with others saying "I disagree..", I wanted to see how many feel one way or the other.
Everyone can do what they want of course. For me, subject closed. Goodbye.
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Pater Noster said:
EDIT: Post Deleted.
I am not going to come here anymore, it feels like an unwelcome place to me. It irks me that I posted a general opinion about bump threads, that is a common theme across many forums. It is considered a legitimate issue, as mods of other forums have express guidelines against it. I knew some/many would disagree which is why I tried to temper my awareness of the issue by saying "Controversial". I mentioned no one by name. I did not suggest debate. I have no problem with others saying "I disagree..", I wanted to see how many feel one way or the other.
Everyone can do what they want of course. For me, subject closed. Goodbye.
I have often wondered if the use of "bumping" is just so people can get more Post numbers.... But that's just me... [8-|]
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GaoLu said:
The purpose of bumps and small number of bumps on these forums seem beneficial.
I agree with you GaoLu. People are very busy. I'm sure FL and VIPs and ordinary users sometimes loose sight of posts that need attention. I think it takes a bit of diligence and sacrifice of time to track lost posts and bump them. I appreciate the work.
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xnman said:
I have often wondered if the use of "bumping" is just so people can get more Post numbers.... But that's just me...
I have grown used to the timing and frequency of MJ's bumps and I am sure that she does not take any notice of her post count.
What her work at the weekend does is sometimes prompt me to have another look at a post and see if there is any help I can offer.
Apart from MJ the number of 'bumps' I see in the forums is very few, less than one a month I would have thought.
If 'people' are using bumps to pad their post count they are making a pretty poor fist of it.
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xnman said:
I have often wondered if the use of "bumping" is just so people can get more Post numbers.... But that's just me...
Yes, it's just you. Smiling but no sunglasses.
I like Ben's periodic bumping of requests. And others as well. I suspect they have better issues in life, than post counts.
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Pater Noster said:
It is considered a legitimate issue, as mods of other forums have express guidelines against it.
It's definitely a legitimate issue for discussion. I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise.
Pater Noster said:I mentioned no one by name.
That was very respectful of you. As it happens, most of us forum regulars know which single person does almost all of the bumping, so it's impossible for her conduct not to be discussed explicitly in a discussion of bumping, and she has indicated in this thread that she's fine with this.
Pater Noster said:I have no problem with others saying "I disagree..", I wanted to see how many feel one way or the other.
It seems that there's a variety of different feelings.
My own thought is that (as someone who very occasionally bumps specific threads) I wish there was less frequent bumping in general, but I can verify from observation that some folks at Faithlife pay attention to the Saturday evening round of bumps. I do think that a 'Bump thread' of some kind with a date (that includes the year) in the thread title would be less obtrusive than 10-20 bumped threads.
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Pater Noster said:
Everyone can do what they want of course. For me, subject closed. Goodbye.
I am very sorry that the thread has upset you, especially if it was my response. Your point is legitimate, but I thought your reference to controversial meant it was an invitation to debate. You are a valued member of the community; I hope there is a way to make it right so that you will return.
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xnman said:
I have often wondered if the use of "bumping" is just so people can get more Post numbers.
That is certainly not the case with me. It does happen but I've not noticed it in these forums.
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David Ames said:
An idea may be a single "Bump" Thread to remind all forum users about recent unanswered thread(s).
Is "Bump Thread" a list of threads that need attention where the subject would be brought up in the "Bump Thread" as needing attention rather then in the thread it self?
The "Bump Thread" could be a list of Unanswered threads with links to threads needing attention review (easy to copy & paste for weekly bump). A "Bump Thread" should avoid #'s & word changes being needed for weekly bumping (to bypass SPAM filtering that prevents the same reply from being posted many times).
MJ. Smith said:I have the perfect solution that is a win-win solution. Check for unanswered questions during the week and then answer them. That way there will be no posts in need of bumping.
My primary web browser now has a bookmark & open tab for Unanswered Posts that allows me to reply followed by clicking bookmark so can see remaining Unanswered Posts
Ideally every forum post seeking help receives a helpful reply quickly so bumping is not needed.
My apologies for my forum interaction being sporadic over many months. Honoring my Mom has consumed many hours (after my Dad suddenly passed away late last year).
Pater Noster said:I doubt this will change ...but I am seeing more and more forums that prohibit bumping. I mention this, as I log in right now 9 of the most recent 10 posts are bumps. I find myself checking the forums less and less on the weekends, due to the high volume of bumps that show up then.
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Just a thought to ponder.
My thought pondering likes idea of MJ. Smith changing to a single "Bump Thread" for weekly forum help attention bumping while hoping for future bumping not being needed.
Some more of my forum thought pondering:
Faithlife Corporation employees (green Faithlife logo under avatar) monitor forum postings so thus far Faithlife Forum has not needed to be like other forums that prohibit bumping. Faithlife forums do prohibit SPAM (some past days had over 1,000) and forum poster(s) inciting anger at Faithlife users. Hence, Faithlife Forums focus on using Faithlife software and resources (while avoiding theological disputes, which can become shouting matches). Thread => I HATE IT expressed a software frustration in a way that facilitated friendly forum interaction (albeit thread title could have been a bit more descriptive: e.g. "I HATE Command Box for Opening Bible to a Verse")
Some forum trivia is Guidelines being posted on 19 Jan 2010 after Faithlife moderators locked thread The correct way to Hijack a thread on 14 Jan 2010 (goofy thread started on 10 Dec 2009 has 674 replies, which I suspect is now has the third most replies). Longest thread Linux version of Logos Bible Software currently has 1,381 replies. Second longest thread No NEW Journals - why not? has 842 replies.
Faithlife started ChristianDiscourse.com for theological discussions, which became unusable in 2017 as mentioned in thread => ChristianDiscourse.com. Forum user Jan Krohn created ChristianDiscourse.net that now is essentially idle (& not aware of anyone changing personal theological beliefs over many discussions so appreciate guidelines of Faithlife Forums to avoid theological disputes).
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The "Bump Thread" could be a list of Unanswered threads with links to threads needing attention review (easy to copy & paste for weekly bump). A "Bump Thread" should avoid #'s & word changes being needed for weekly bumping (to bypass SPAM filtering that prevents the same reply from being posted many times).
Most of the unanswered threads do not need bumping -- they are suggestions, announcements, recommendations, free tools or downloads etc.
My thought pondering likes idea of MJ. Smith changing to a single "Bump Thread" for weekly forum help attention bumping while hoping for future bumping not being needed.
Embedding the threads in another thread hides whether or not someone has already answered the question ... plus it is more effort to create and more prone to screw-up due to two instances of the forums being used concurrently (unless I make it even more more work). The workflow it requires in not acceptable to me, someone else would need to take over. I've very willing to (a) stop bumping threads, (b) to change when I bump threads, or (c) change how I do it if it has as simple and reliable workflow.
I HATE IT expressed a software frustration in a way that facilitated friendly forum interaction (albeit thread title could have been a bit more descriptive: e.g. "I HATE Command Box for Opening Bible to a Verse")
I'm not going to apologize for a deliberate rhetorical device that worked as intended. If it had failed to serve its intended purpose, the "criticism" would be reasonable. I find it hilarious that this is still an "issue" -- it speaks volumes about the forums.
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I also appreciate MJ's bumps. I am not bothered by anyone's bumps.
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MJ. Smith said:
The "Bump Thread" could be a list of Unanswered threads with links to threads needing attention review (easy to copy & paste for weekly bump). A "Bump Thread" should avoid #'s & word changes being needed for weekly bumping (to bypass SPAM filtering that prevents the same reply from being posted many times).
Most of the unanswered threads do not need bumping -- they are suggestions, announcements, recommendations, free tools or downloads etc.
Agreed along with Unanswered threads having thread(s) to bump for helpful attention assistance (prior to being bumped).
MJ. Smith said:My thought pondering likes idea of MJ. Smith changing to a single "Bump Thread" for weekly forum help attention bumping while hoping for future bumping not being needed.
Embedding the threads in another thread hides whether or not someone has already answered the question ... plus it is more effort to create and more prone to screw-up due to two instances of the forums being used concurrently (unless I make it even more more work). The workflow it requires in not acceptable to me, someone else would need to take over. I've very willing to (a) stop bumping threads, (b) to change when I bump threads, or (c) change how I do it if it has as simple and reliable workflow.
Once a thread has been "bumped", hidden is whether someone helpfully answered the question. Single "Bump Thread" provides opportunity to see original thread(s) have no replies: could be bumped again in "Bump Thread" OR use a different "bump" method (especially for threads best answered by Faithlife).
Identifying thread(s) to bump remains the same.
Current "bump" workflow can be done using one tab in one browser window.
Single "Bump Thread" workflow would be easier using two tabs (ideally in two windows for side by side viewing): one for identifying thread(s) with one for composing "bump" reply. When a thread deserves "bump" attention, copy forum & thread title: e.g.
General>Just a thought, but controversial I am sure.
followed by paste into "bump" reply composition.
When done identifying thread(s) to "bump", then preview "bump" reply to verify no accidental double pasting. Optional is comparing list of threads to "bump" with Unanswered threads in the other tab so can remove any thread(s) that recently received a reply.
Seem to remember many sets of "bumped" threads have not had an intervening forum post due to the weekend timing of "bump" processing. Hence likelihood of removing a line from "bump" reply is small.
FYI: my forum replies often have more than one tab open, which is quite useful for copying quote(s) from several replies for pasting into a single reply. Also use tab(s) for Wiki link(s) and product description link(s). Long time ago, I learned to Preview my forum reply before Post: my fingers can flip flop stuff [:$] so rereading helps reduce my typing goofs.
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I see no reason to argue the point. For me, the workflow has more steps and is more error prone than my current workflow. I occasionally have multiple tabs open to a single site but it is not my preferred layout with one exception - indexing cookbooks for Eat Your Books.
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I appreciate those who care about serving here. The forums have made it possible to make using Logos less bewildering as it has transformed into a real powerhouse.
Bumps are fine. Maybe we need a better protocol to flag or direct so people can get more timely answers. I just don't know what that might mean. Can we make a flag/highlight appear on questions that need answers after so many days/hours?
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I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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FL used to have a dedicated employee whose role included checking for threads that had received no answers yet and looking for an answer or finding someone within the company who could answer it. It's a bummer that they don't have the bandwidth to more actively monitor the forums the way they used to. A few of the employees do come here regularly and check for messages in their wheelhouse and respond, but it still leaves a lot of messages which MVPs and other users can't answer or have overlooked.
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Sadly, this "feeling" for some in the forum is understandable. Years ago, I tried to be involved and help out new users. However, if you dated to question any decision by Faithlife, then Logos - the attacks came with no consistent addressing from Faithlife. It still happens at times...
The best move to eliminate a lot of the issue in this thread would be Faithlife upgrading the forum software so that users can hide all forums that have no interest. That way the topic threads would be less likely to be buried amongst every other post.
Then in regards to the unwelcome nature... Removing the consistent offenders as is done in other forums would help, as well as not allowing the consistent offenders to be considered MVPs
Pater Noster said:EDIT: Post Deleted.
I am not going to come here anymore, it feels like an unwelcome place to me. It irks me that I posted a general opinion about bump threads, that is a common theme across many forums. It is considered a legitimate issue, as mods of other forums have express guidelines against it. I knew some/many would disagree which is why I tried to temper my awareness of the issue by saying "Controversial". I mentioned no one by name. I did not suggest debate. I have no problem with others saying "I disagree..", I wanted to see how many feel one way or the other.
Everyone can do what they want of course. For me, subject closed. Goodbye.
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Bumps have never really bothered me (except when there's no response from the staff [;)]. Usually, if a topic headline doesn't appeal to me, I just don't bother clicking on it.
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I do wish that those who enjoy attacking me would simply bypass any post by me. That is what I do with the less-than-a-handful of forum members that I find myself unable to communicate effectively with ... and I am willing to bet they don't even notice. And not being noticed is my idea of a win-win solution.
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MJ. Smith said:
I do wish that those who enjoy attacking me would simply bypass any post by me.
I know this sounds pretty thin, but it sure looks like the road from Jericho to Jerusalem, folks needing help get one chance only. Good Samaritans need to not inconvenience the itchy-fingered travelers who can't resist being annoyed.
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MJ. Smith said:
For me, the workflow has more steps and is more error prone than my current workflow.
Appreciate workflow thoughts so would you like me to start doing a single "Bump thread" with replies for forum help attention ?
Single "Bump thread" enables forum users to follow thread for email about help attention: hoping for followers who pray for helpful replies & those who serve as Good Samaritans by providing helpful replies & some who are Faithlife employees.
Caveat is single "Bump thread" being a bit more noisy than no bumping desire, which started this thread.
Observation is an effective workflow for one person can be error prone in the hands of someone else, yet God has a special & appropriate place for every person. Good Samaritan was the third "bump" attention for a hurting person.
MJ. Smith said:It not being noticed is my idea of a win-win solution.
Ideal win-win is "bump" for helpful attention not being needed as users & Faithlife employees are ongoing good neighbors.
Thankful for many friendly forum & Faithlife discussions: have learned a lot plus have a lot to learn.
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Appreciate workflow thoughts so would you like me to start doing a single "Bump thread" with replies for forum help attention ?
I certainly will let you try it but I am convinced it is a poor solution for the following reasons:
- We've heard nothing from Faithlife indicating buy-in from their staff. Given that different personnel are involved with different forums, losing the forum specific data may e a serious problem
- We've had some positive feedback in this thread but no indication that the people who actually answer the bumped threads are willing to keep navigating back to the single thread ... an extra step compared to simply going through new posts in a forum with no need to distinguish between bumped and unbumped posts
- As a matter of design principles, I rarely find that inserting an intermediate document is rarely a solution in situations similar to this, especially when it requires a change in workflow on both ends - the person doing the bumping and the person responding to the bumped post ... especially when it breaks a group out into a "special processing" category that had previously simply been part of the normal process.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
I like it just the way it is. Most times I have time to skim through the bumps. Makes for a relaxing Sunday Afternoon distraction. If I am pushed for time I can lump them together and mark them read.
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I don't normally respond on these types of threads, but I feel compelled.
I'm really surprised that the responses you got made you feel unwelcome in the forum. I don't think anyone said anything at all that was derogatory toward you, or toward what you brought up. One person talked about why SHE does it, which I would think keeps perfectly with what you said you were hoping for, getting other people's opinions about "bumping" on this forum
I have seen forums where this can be a real problem. For me personally, I've never felt like it was here. It is only on rare occasions that I've seen people bump their own threads, and then only when they are looking for help.
As far as bumping someone else's thread, I've always seen it as a good thing, someone helping another person out, because they hadn't yet gotten an answer.
Just my opinion. I do realize I'm not on this forum as often as many others.
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MJ. Smith said:
If the user base wants me to stop, I will. In fact I have already taken a hiatus and been asked to continue.
Mark me among the forum members that would rather you didn't quit bumping.
Long ago, the first time I noticed you doing it, I remember thinking it was a nice thing to do. When people don't get responses, I think there is often a conflicting sense of, "do I bump my thread, and look a little pushy, or do I let it go."
So, one vote to keep bumping.
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MJ. Smith said:
Appreciate reasoning as a single "Bump" thread looks different than current "bump" for help. Both approaches are viable. The best win-win situation is weekend "bumping" for helpful attention not being needed. Below is a single "Bump" thread prototype for friendly discussion (includes three recent "bump" threads), whose subsequent replies by forum users will be respected for "bump" approach.
Please Help Faithlife Forum users
Please Help Faithlife Forum users whose assistance request is waiting - Bump 10 May 2022
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Yes, I had understood correctly what you were proposing but I am not sure that you understand my concerns which are based on managing a computer system for payroll/personnel for > 30,000 payees from students to medical professors in Saudi Arabia (getting pay to all of them on the same day) implemented in everything from COBOL legacy code to the first web application for the University. Put another way, think well over a billion-dollar annual payroll more than twenty years ago. Among the rules I learned from experience:
- do not make something require special processing if the integrated process is already working; at most change the selection process - something we can't do on the third-party forum software
- do not require two screens when one works; each additional screen increases the workflow complexity and the error rate of processing
- do not change a process in a way that hides important information - in this case, whether or not someone else has already responded to the thread
Although implementation has changed significantly, the basic rules of user interfaces has not. One employee had a graduate degree in user interface from Stanford, so my experience was not the blind leading the blind. So, you need to convince me (and others) that the Faithlife forum community is sufficiently different from the normal user mix to justify the violation of these basic design rules.
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Now I know my problem... or at least one of them....
I didn't go to Sanford!!! I just went to North Central U. and DePaul U... in Chicago! Shucks!
I did work with Cobol..... didn't like it... moved to Fortran... then C... then SQl... Asp, Prolog..
And now... I can't even make Search in Logos work .... Yep... wish I had gone to Sanford... lol
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xnman said:
Now I know my problem
Completely off topic ... and so on. If I'd known you wanted to mock Stanford, I'd have pointed out. . .Unfortunately, I don't take kindly to mockery -- period -- and my patience has worn thin tonight. . .
PS. My college-professor grandfather was a DePaul graduate circa early 1890's.Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
So, you need to convince me (and others) that the Faithlife forum community ...
Forum software user interface provides the boundaries for discussing "bump" (Bring Up My Post) options.
Current "bump" process replies in a thread, which causes thread removal from forum Unanswered Posts. This thread started after a set of "bump" replies appeared in recent forum Topics threads. The "bump" reply requests attention with hope for a later on-topic helpful reply, which has happened in a number of forum threads (albeit reading a "bump" thread skips over "bump" to follow thread topic). Several forum users have asked what is a "bump" ? Also current forum software for reducing SPAM requires reply text being different so forum user interface interaction requires "bump" interpretation.
Proposed "bump" thread Please Help Faithlife Forum users (in the General forum) avoids SPAM filter disallowing repeated posts as every reply would have different list for "bump" attention. Threads being "bumped" remain in forum Unanswered Posts so those thread(s) can easily be "bumped" again. The "bump" threads that need reply from Faithlife can be marked (my oops [:$] for not prototyping an example). Single thread Please Help Faithlife Forum users enables some Faithlife employees to quietly follow (via email so a "bump" reply could be read & forwarded within Faithlife Corporation, hopefully resulting in a helpful public reply). Primary downside to thread Please Help Faithlife Forum users is opening the latest post so can click a link to read a "bump" thread (alternative is using forum Unanswered Posts to find threads needing helpful reply). Recent forum Topics would have one "bump" for thread reply (instead of a set).
Both "bump" processes are viable using existing forum user interface. From replies in this thread, preferred "bump" time is the weekend.
FYI: this thread caused me to review "bump" process along with considering a viable alternative using the existing forum user interface. Unknown is which process would take longer as current "bump" process has to find acceptable words for forum posting (SPAM filter) along with posting in every "bump" thread. Composing a list of "bump" threads has one reply to post, but adds a click for user interaction (if "bump" reply is used to open a thread being "bumped").
MJ. Smith said:Completely off topic but my college required everyone to learn Fortran, I taught Assembler for IBM and CDC, RPG, COBOL, ALGOL, PL/1, worked in Fortran, COBOL, C++, Java, HTML, XML, CSS, Prolog, Visual Basic, Python ... and so on.
Decades ago, an IBM utility was named IEFBR14 that had two assembler lines (on MVS/SP):
SR 15,15BR 14
IBM utility name embedded the second assembler line, which influenced my naming preference to be logical (& boring).
When using punched cards was unwise to upset mainframe operators as the card deck had to be feed correctly for proper execution (rigid user interface). A valuable lesson learned from a mainframe operator was knowing when getting the job done was more important than perfection. A retired Senior Master Sergeant had a motto: "whether the job be big or small, do it right or not at all".
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Have you ever sat in a meeting, class, etc., and someone has their hand up but the speaker doesn't see them? And finally, someone gets the speaker's attention to point out the raised hand...that's what a bump is.
I've never for one second found these bumps to be a problem...they are a courtesy. And one of the main 'bumpers,' MJ, has bumped a few of *my* questions over the years, which always resulted in an answer. For anyone to characterize that is "unfair" is difficult to comprehend. It was a simple courtesy and it helped me, significantly.
So why is this an issue at all? (I'm lost.)
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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To bump or not to bump.. that SEEMS to be the question...
But really... the REAL question is....
Does anyone in Lawgusland ever read these forums? I know some do once in a while...
Maybe that is the reason for the bump in the first place? hmmm
Oh and I pronounce it Low-goos but I notice many pronounce it Lawgaws... another pondering in the canyons of my mind.... [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
Does anyone in Lawgusland ever read these forums?
Given that the forums are described as peer-to-peer, we get a surprising amount of support from actual Faithlife employees. Outside of beta testing, it is a courtesy to appreciate. The percentage of posts that get bumped is quite low.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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xnman said:
Oh and I pronounce it Low-goos but I notice many pronounce it Lawgaws
It is pronounced Log O S it is an operating system to change tree based paper books into electronic versions.
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Mike Binks said:xnman said:
Oh and I pronounce it Low-goos but I notice many pronounce it Lawgaws
I pronounce it LOW-ghos. 'Ghos' is ghost without the t.
I asked Bellingham how they pronounce it. Dude said 'LAW-gaws.'
So, maybe I give it a Canadian spin.
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Mike Binks said:
It is pronounced Log O S it is an operating system to change tree based paper books into electronic versions.
LOL!
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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The hperglyphics of the dilectum of the languages you guys speak.... lol
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Doc B said:
Yup: I really do not know how often I say ''eh,'' as its in the constitution I have to.!!!
What is coming to Canada from the States is saying 'and' as 'aynd.' This is especially true when 'and' is used at the start of a sentence.
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