Just a thought, but controversial I am sure.

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Pater Noster | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, May 7 2022 4:07 PM

I doubt this will change ...but I am seeing more and more forums that prohibit bumping. I mention this, as I log in right now 9 of the most recent 10 posts are bumps. I find myself checking the forums less and less on the weekends, due to the high volume of bumps that show up then. 

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Other forums I frequent will post to users when they bump. IMHO it makes a good point about approving bumping with additional information that may be of value. Samples of their mods' replies look like this:

This is a reminder from the moderator team to avoid bumping threads, as detailed in the "Minor Problems" section of the Forum Rules. Bumping may bring your thread to the top of the forum display, but that's unfair to other forum members unless you have new information to add to the thread. Your post may have been edited or removed for this reason.

For further information and instructions, see the Reminders section of the Moderation FAQ. If you have questions, comments, or complaints about moderation, use the Contact Form.

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Just a thought to ponder. 

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Justin Gatlin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 7 2022 4:16 PM

One thing I do when I have some time is filter for posts with no replies and see if I can help. To me bumping makes it harder to identify these unresolved threads.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 7 2022 4:50 PM

Pater Noster:
I doubt this will change ...but I am seeing more and more forums that prohibit bumping. I mention this, as I log in right now 9 of the most recent 10 posts are bumps. I find myself checking the forums less and less on the weekends, due to the high volume of bumps that show up then. 

I have the perfect solution that is a win-win solution. Check for unanswered questions during the week and then answer them. That way there will be no posts in need of bumping.

Give me a good reason why it is better for people coming to the forums to get no help than for me to bump them and get them an appropriate responses. How does it help them, personally, and us as a user community, to leave them no response? If the user base wants me to stop, I will. In fact I have already taken a hiatus and been asked to continue.

Pater Noster:
Just a thought to ponder.

It was pondered several years before I took action ... and note that the number bumped is usually less than a dozen which hardly floods the forums.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 7 2022 4:51 PM

Justin Gatlin:
To me bumping makes it harder to identify these unresolved threads.

A concern I share.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 7 2022 5:32 PM

Justin Gatlin:
One thing I do when I have some time is filter for posts with no replies and see if I can help.

Unanswered for all forums => https://community.logos.com/forums/TopicsNotAnswered.aspx?ForumID=

MJ. Smith:

Justin Gatlin:
To me bumping makes it harder to identify these unresolved threads.

A concern I share.

An idea may be a single "Bump" Thread to remind all forum users about recent unanswered thread(s).

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 7 2022 5:41 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

An idea may be a single "Bump" Thread to remind all forum users about recent unanswered thread(s).

Is  "Bump Thread" a list of threads that need attention where the subject would be brought up in the  "Bump Thread" as needing attention rather then in the thread it self?

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 7 2022 6:32 PM

MJ. Smith:
Give me a good reason why it is better for people coming to the forums to get no help than for me to bump them and get them an appropriate responses. How does it help them, personally, and us as a user community, to leave them no response? If the user base wants me to stop, I will. In fact I have already taken a hiatus and been asked to continue.

Thank you for bumping.  I certainly appreciate that you take the time out of your studies to do this.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 7 2022 7:54 PM

Pater Noster:

Just a thought to ponder. 

I guess I never pondered the forum as a competition; more a community of helpers. And it can be a wait for the right helper. Bump.

Also MJ only bumps the need help threads. I periodically comment, with the assumption no further comment is needed. Through the years, others have helped me.

But I'd comment on the need for bumps:

- Quite a few belong to FL. Bumping goes nowhere.

- And some can only be answered from a couple Logosians ... who do the bulk of answering. Program complexity and fragmented documentation.

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 7 2022 8:38 PM

The purpose of bumps and small number of bumps on these forums seem beneficial. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 7 2022 8:55 PM

DMB:
- Quite a few belong to FL. Bumping goes nowhere

Actually, I know that some of FL counts on my bumping - one has indicated that Saturday is a seemingly odd choice of when. My logic for late on Saturday is that it is a very quiet time so the bumps tend to become a single clump that others can easily bypass.

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Pater Noster | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 8 2022 4:17 AM

EDIT: Post Deleted.

I am not going to come here anymore, it feels like an unwelcome place to me. It irks me that I posted a general opinion about bump threads, that is a common theme across many forums. It is considered a legitimate issue, as mods of other forums have express guidelines against it. I knew some/many would disagree which is why I tried to temper my awareness of the issue by saying "Controversial". I mentioned no one by name. I did not suggest debate. I have no problem with others saying "I disagree..", I wanted to see how many feel one way or the other. 

Everyone can do what they want of course. For me, subject closed. Goodbye.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 8 2022 5:27 AM

Pater Noster:

EDIT: Post Deleted.

I am not going to come here anymore, it feels like an unwelcome place to me. It irks me that I posted a general opinion about bump threads, that is a common theme across many forums. It is considered a legitimate issue, as mods of other forums have express guidelines against it. I knew some/many would disagree which is why I tried to temper my awareness of the issue by saying "Controversial". I mentioned no one by name. I did not suggest debate. I have no problem with others saying "I disagree..", I wanted to see how many feel one way or the other. 

Everyone can do what they want of course. For me, subject closed. Goodbye.

I have often wondered if the use of "bumping" is just so people can get more Post numbers....  But that's just me... Geeked

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John Connell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 8 2022 5:40 AM

GaoLu:

The purpose of bumps and small number of bumps on these forums seem beneficial. 

I agree with you GaoLu. People are very busy. I'm sure FL and VIPs and ordinary users sometimes loose sight of posts that need attention. I think it takes a bit of diligence and sacrifice of time to track lost posts and bump them. I appreciate the work.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 8 2022 9:43 AM

xnman:
I have often wondered if the use of "bumping" is just so people can get more Post numbers....  But that's just me... Geeked

I have grown used to the timing and frequency of MJ's bumps and I am sure that she does not take any notice of her post count.

What her work at the weekend does is sometimes prompt me to have another look at a post and see if there is any help I can offer.

Apart from MJ the number of 'bumps' I see in the forums is very few, less than one a month I would have thought.

If 'people' are using bumps to pad their post count they are making a pretty poor fist of it.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 8 2022 10:25 AM

xnman:

I have often wondered if the use of "bumping" is just so people can get more Post numbers....  But that's just me... Geeked

Yes, it's just you. Smiling but no sunglasses.

I like Ben's periodic bumping of requests. And others as well. I suspect they have better issues in life, than post counts.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 8 2022 10:38 AM

Pater Noster:
It is considered a legitimate issue, as mods of other forums have express guidelines against it.

It's definitely a legitimate issue for discussion. I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise.

Pater Noster:
I mentioned no one by name.

That was very respectful of you. As it happens, most of us forum regulars know which single person does almost all of the bumping, so it's impossible for her conduct not to be discussed explicitly in a discussion of bumping, and she has indicated in this thread that she's fine with this.

Pater Noster:
I have no problem with others saying "I disagree..", I wanted to see how many feel one way or the other. 

It seems that there's a variety of different feelings.

My own thought is that (as someone who very occasionally bumps specific threads) I wish there was less frequent bumping in general, but I can verify from observation that some folks at Faithlife pay attention to the Saturday evening round of bumps. I do think that a 'Bump thread' of some kind with a date (that includes the year) in the thread title would be less obtrusive than 10-20 bumped threads.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 8 2022 1:01 PM

Pater Noster:
Everyone can do what they want of course. For me, subject closed. Goodbye.

I am very sorry that the thread has upset you, especially if it was my response. Your point is legitimate, but I thought your reference to controversial meant it was an invitation to debate. You are a valued member of the community; I hope there is a way to make it right so that you will return.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 8 2022 1:18 PM

xnman:
I have often wondered if the use of "bumping" is just so people can get more Post numbers.

That is certainly not the case with me. It does happen but I've not noticed it in these forums.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 8 2022 3:59 PM

David Ames:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

An idea may be a single "Bump" Thread to remind all forum users about recent unanswered thread(s).

Is  "Bump Thread" a list of threads that need attention where the subject would be brought up in the  "Bump Thread" as needing attention rather then in the thread it self?

The "Bump Thread" could be a list of Unanswered threads with links to threads needing attention review (easy to copy & paste for weekly bump).  A "Bump Thread" should avoid #'s & word changes being needed for weekly bumping (to bypass SPAM filtering that prevents the same reply from being posted many times).

MJ. Smith:
I have the perfect solution that is a win-win solution. Check for unanswered questions during the week and then answer them. That way there will be no posts in need of bumping.

My primary web browser now has a bookmark & open tab for Unanswered Posts that allows me to reply followed by clicking bookmark so can see remaining Unanswered Posts

Ideally every forum post seeking help receives a helpful reply quickly so bumping is not needed.

My apologies for my forum interaction being sporadic over many months. Honoring my Mom has consumed many hours (after my Dad suddenly passed away late last year).

Pater Noster:

I doubt this will change ...but I am seeing more and more forums that prohibit bumping. I mention this, as I log in right now 9 of the most recent 10 posts are bumps. I find myself checking the forums less and less on the weekends, due to the high volume of bumps that show up then. 

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Just a thought to ponder. 

My thought pondering likes idea of MJ. Smith changing to a single "Bump Thread" for weekly forum help attention bumping while hoping for future bumping not being needed.

Some more of my forum thought pondering:

Faithlife Corporation employees (green Faithlife logo under avatar) monitor forum postings so thus far Faithlife Forum has not needed to be like other forums that prohibit bumping. Faithlife forums do prohibit SPAM (some past days had over 1,000) and forum poster(s) inciting anger at Faithlife users. Hence, Faithlife Forums focus on using Faithlife software and resources (while avoiding theological disputes, which can become shouting matches). Thread => I HATE IT expressed a software frustration in a way that facilitated friendly forum interaction (albeit thread title could have been a bit more descriptive: e.g. "I HATE Command Box for Opening Bible to a Verse")

Some forum trivia is Guidelines being posted on 19 Jan 2010 after Faithlife moderators locked thread The correct way to Hijack a thread on 14 Jan 2010 (goofy thread started on 10 Dec 2009 has 674 replies, which I suspect is now has the third most replies). Longest thread Linux version of Logos Bible Software currently has 1,381 replies. Second longest thread No NEW Journals - why not? has 842 replies.

Faithlife started ChristianDiscourse.com for theological discussions, which became unusable in 2017 as mentioned in thread => ChristianDiscourse.com. Forum user Jan Krohn created ChristianDiscourse.net that now is essentially idle (& not aware of anyone changing personal theological beliefs over many discussions so appreciate guidelines of Faithlife Forums to avoid theological disputes).

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 8 2022 5:26 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
The "Bump Thread" could be a list of Unanswered threads with links to threads needing attention review (easy to copy & paste for weekly bump).  A "Bump Thread" should avoid #'s & word changes being needed for weekly bumping (to bypass SPAM filtering that prevents the same reply from being posted many times).

Most of the unanswered threads do not need bumping -- they are suggestions, announcements, recommendations, free tools or downloads etc.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
My thought pondering likes idea of MJ. Smith changing to a single "Bump Thread" for weekly forum help attention bumping while hoping for future bumping not being needed.

Embedding the threads in another thread hides whether or not someone has already answered the question ... plus it is more effort to create and more prone to screw-up due to two instances of the forums being used concurrently (unless I make it even more more work). The workflow it requires in not acceptable to me, someone else would need to take over. I've very willing to (a) stop bumping threads, (b) to change when I bump threads, or (c) change how I do it if it has as simple and reliable workflow.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
 I HATE IT expressed a software frustration in a way that facilitated friendly forum interaction (albeit thread title could have been a bit more descriptive: e.g. "I HATE Command Box for Opening Bible to a Verse")

I'm not going to apologize for a deliberate rhetorical device that worked as intended. If it had failed to serve its intended purpose, the "criticism" would be reasonable. I find it hilarious that this is still an "issue" -- it speaks volumes about the forums.

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