Precept Bible Study set up
I was wondering how you customize your Logos 4 to do Precepts Bible study? Thank you, Deb Hanson
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Hi Deborah,
Welcome to the forum. I created a layout that I use for Inductive/Precept study. I have the Highlighting panel open on the far left and the information panel on the far right (for looking up definitions, lexical information, etc. The middle section between those two sides is divided down the middle with my bible open in the left pane, then two panes on the right side, one on top of the other. I have the treasury of scripture knowledge open in the top one and a second copy of my Bible open in the bottom one. I have my the main copy of my Bible linked to TSK with link set A and have my secondary copy set to "send links here" for looking up cross-references, etc.
Hope that helps [:)]
Ron
EDIT: Oh, I also have my inductive Bible set to "Bible Text Only" so that it doesn't display pericope headings.
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Also, you can customize a highlighting palatte to include styles not included by default in Logos' highlighting tool. See: http://wiki.logos.com/Highlighting for more info.
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Thank you Ron,
How do you start setting things up? I don't know how to link things together and how did you show me the screen shot? T-you Deb
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DeborahHanson said:
How do you start setting things up? I don't know how to link things together and how did you show me the screen shot?
Linking items together is done from the panel menu (click picture of a book cover) and then select a link set for every resource you want to stay on the same Bible verse.
Posting pictures to the forum is done by clicking the paper clip icon in the edit box and then uploading a .png or .jpeg file. There are a number of ways to capture a screen-shot. See: http://wiki.logos.com/Screenshot
Also, http://wiki.logos.com/Layouts might be helpful to you too.
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Hi Deborah,
Kevin showed you where the link settings are located. Open up each of the five items, then arrange them on the screen the way you want by dragging the tabs around. Once you have them arranged the way you want, you can click the panel menu for your main Bible and set it to link set A, then do the same for the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge (link set A). Then click the panel menu for your second Bible and click "Send Hyperlinks Here". Once you are satisfied with how everything is set up, you can click on the layout menu in the upper-right corner, click on the name for the current snapshot (as shown below) and name it something like "Precept Study". This will save the layout so that you can access it at any time through the layout menu.
Does that help? If you need more specific instructions on anything, just ask. [:)]
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Ron, I'm looking at your screenshot and was wondering if you manually highlighted or if you set up a rule to highlight similar things. I understand how to manually do this but I was noticing how you had Wind on the sea, storm on the sea, Calamity, and the sea highlighted and was just curious because if their is a rule that could make that automatic, I would love to know it.
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Scott Warren said:
Ron, I'm looking at your screenshot and was wondering if you manually highlighted or if you set up a rule to highlight similar things. I understand how to manually do this but I was noticing how you had Wind on the sea, storm on the sea, Calamity, and the sea highlighted and was just curious because if their is a rule that could make that automatic, I would love to know it.
Hi Scott,
That was all manual highlighting done while going through Kay Arthur's book "Lord, teach me to study the Bible in 28 days". AFAIK, there is no way to automatically highlight diverse but (potentially) similar/related concepts like that.
In Christ,
Ron
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Well.. Hmmmff. I watch videos, read, watch videos and read. After spending all this money A YEAR AGO, I'm ready to call it quits. I don't even know how to start opening up things so I can set my 5 fave things. Any recommendations. I just want to cry. I spent an hour here, with no relief. I could have been in God's word for an hour and I'm sure been more at ease.
HELP!!!
Gloria
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Hi Gloria
Sorry you are having so much trouble.
I suggest you start a separate thread (click on "Write a New Post" at the top of the forum) and outline some of the issues you are having. I am sure people will be able to help.
Also suggest you change your display name to not include your email address to avoid spam. Please see http://wiki.logos.com/Changing_Forum_Display_Name for details.
Graham
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Gloria said:
Well.. Hmmmff. I watch videos, read, watch videos and read. After spending all this money A YEAR AGO, I'm ready to call it quits. I don't even know how to start opening up things so I can set my 5 fave things. Any recommendations. I just want to cry. I spent an hour here, with no relief. I could have been in God's word for an hour and I'm sure been more at ease.
HELP!!!
Gloria
Well, you're asking for help, that's a good thing.
What is it exactly that you want to do? What are your "5 fave things?" (Did you check out the video called "Prioritized Resources?")
BTW, you may want to change your display name so spam bots don't get it. Look here for how to do it:
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Gloria, don't call it quits! We'll be happy to help you get up and running. From your comment it sounds like you need to work on your library prioritizations. The place on the wiki that gives you detailed instructions is here http://wiki.logos.com/Library#Prioritizing
Let me give you the cliff notes though
- Click on the Library
- Click Prioritize
- Drag your top five Bibles from the Library list to the priority list like you see it in my list
For prioritizing beyond your favorite Bibles consult http://wiki.logos.com/A_Sample_Prioritize_List for some suggestions.
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Richard DeRuiter said:
(Did you check out the video called
"Prioritized Resources?")Kevin Becker said:From your comment it sounds like you need to work on your library prioritizations.
Obviously we are all speculating barring more information from Gloria, but within the context of the thread, I'm guessing she wanted to set up a layout (which in the above example has 5 components) rather than wanting to prioritize resources.
Gloria, if I'm guessing correctly, you are saying you don't know how to open your favorite resources so that you can arrange them? The easiest way is probably to click on the Library (step one in Kevin's screenshot), then find the book or Bible you want and click to open it. Alternatively, if you know exactly what it is you want to open (for example, the NASB Bible), you can just type it in the command bar to the right of the Tools menu. For the NASB Bible, you would type "Open NASB" without the quotes.
If we are misunderstanding what you are trying to do, please post clarification so that we can help you.
In Christ,
Ron
EDIT - If you confirm what you are trying to do, one of us can give you step-by-step and click-by-click directions to accomplish it. I'm not as good at creating the incredibly helpful screenshots as Kevin and others, but I will do what I can to help.
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shine.shine1@verizon.net said:
After spending all this money A YEAR AGO
I just noticed this part of your post. If you purchased the software a year ago, does that mean that you are using Logos/Libronix 3 instead of Logos 4? If so, that might be part of your frustration since all these suggestions are for Logos 4. I'm not familiar with version 3, so if that is what you are using, one of the veterans will have to help you out [:)]
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Hi Everyone:
Thanks for your kindness and encouragement. I've changed my name so my e-mail doesn't show up, and I AM using Logos 4, and it's updated, as well. (My husband for the past 3 years has had cancer/stem cell transplant, so that explains why in a year, I'm still confused) Anyway, so thanks.
Ron, you are right. I can prioritize. I just don't know how to open up logos and set up a layout so that I, too, can always go to it when I'm preparing a lesson. I teach precepts, and I've yet to use Logos to help me, so when I saw the suggestion about a layout, I wanted to try it, but I can't seem to open the 5 things I want and arrange them.
So, now do I start another thread or just wait for the instructions here. I guess we'll see.
Again, thanks.
Gloria
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Aww oh. I followed instructions to change my display name, but alas, my e-mail address is still showing. OR, is it just showing for me????? I think I'm just getting to old for this.
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Gloria,
Ok, I think I have enough information to help you.
- Click Library and open all the books you want
- Click and drag the tab with the title of the book to the places you want; there will be a blue shadow where the window will end up.
- Once you have a layout to your liking click Layout in the upper right hand side of the Logos window.
- Click the little pencil under the "now" snapshot; enter a name in the text box that appears. This saves your layout.
- Click on the list of Named layouts to open any layout you've saved
- Your layout will remember the position of the books on your screen and the place in the each of the resources. If you've progressed in your study and want to save your new location right click on the name of the layout and select update to current snapshot.
If you want Logos to open to where it was when you closed it last, navigate to the homepage by clicking the Home button, Click the customize button at bottom left side and uncheck "Open Hompage at startup." Logos will now open to where you left off. Click the Home button again to return to your current layout after you adjust this setting.
Gloria, If what I've written is confusing don't hesitate to ask questions. I would also be willing to make a short video to demonstrate these things for you if you'd like. Just let me know.
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shine.shine said:
Aww oh. I followed instructions to change my display name, but alas, my e-mail address is still showing. OR, is it just showing for me????? I think I'm just getting to old for this.
Try one more time, It's a bit fussy that things get done exactly as they're written. (yeah strange).
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Kevin Becker said:
Ok, I think I have enough information to help you.
[Y] Very thorough Kevin [:)] What program do you use to mark up your screenshots with outlines, arrows, etc? I've tried doing it with Paint and it does the trick, but doesn't come out quite as nicely.
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Ron Keyston Jr said:
Very thorough Kevin 
What program do you use to mark up your screenshots with outlines, arrows, etc? I've tried doing it with Paint and it does the trick, but doesn't come out quite as nicely.I used Jing for the screen captures above. Sometimes I use OneNote to take screen captures.
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Kevin Becker said:Ron Keyston Jr said: Very thorough Kevin What program do you use to mark up your screenshots with outlines, arrows, etc? I've tried doing it with Paint and it does the trick, but doesn't come out quite as nicely.
I used Jing for the screen captures above. Sometimes I use OneNote to take screen captures.
Thanks, I'll check out Jing...and I'll have to play around with OneNote, I hadn't thought of using it for that purpose.
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Ron Keyston Jr said:Kevin Becker said:Ron Keyston Jr said: Very thorough Kevin What program do you use to mark up your screenshots with outlines, arrows, etc? I've tried doing it with Paint and it does the trick, but doesn't come out quite as nicely.
I used Jing for the screen captures above. Sometimes I use OneNote to take screen captures.
Thanks, I'll check out Jing...and I'll have to play around with OneNote, I hadn't thought of using it for that purpose.
I'm using a freeware program called PicPick that works pretty well too. The installation is a bit annoying (you're always asked to install the ask dot com toolbar - and they make it look like it's required) and they are constantly updating the program. But it's easy to use, highly customizable has a small footprint and does everything I need. Look for it through your favorite search engine, or at a trusted download site like CNet.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Thomas Black said:shine.shine said:
Aww oh. I followed instructions to change my display name, but alas, my e-mail address is still showing. OR, is it just showing for me????? I think I'm just getting to old for this.
Try one more time, It's a bit fussy that things get done exactly as they're written. (yeah strange).
For some reason, Logos had to manually change my name, once. I did the step-by-step and it wouldn't take. Maybe if you continue to have issues, contact customerservice@logos.com.
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Richard DeRuiter said:
I'm using a freeware program called PicPick that works pretty well too. The installation is a bit annoying (you're always asked to install the ask dot com toolbar - and they make it look like it's required) and they are constantly updating the program. But it's easy to use, highly customizable has a small footprint and does everything I need. Look for it through your favorite search engine, or at a trusted download site like CNet.
Thanks Richard, I'll check that one out as well.
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Gloria,
I'm a newbie and like you I was quickly ready to throw in the towel using Logos 4. I spent a day watching all the tutorial videos. Still felt I had wasted a lot of money. Then I came across Mark Barnes videos http://www.4-14.org.uk/logos-bible-software-tutorial-videos/preparing-a-sermon-with-logos I don't know if you have watched it yet, but it was really helpful to me. It's 4 videos about 15 minutes each. I've also found that daily checking out the forums also gives help with specific searches.
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Scott Warren said:
Then I came across Mark Barnes videos
Good suggestion, Scott. Just adding that those four video, plus many other quality "User-created videos" are listed and linked at the bottom of this Logos Video Page. One stop shopping!
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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I'm still here. Emergency led us to hopt. again, but I'm on the laptop, I dl'd logos 4 and followed your instructions, and it worked. So, thanks so much for all your input.
Now, as I get ready to hit "post" I am hoping that my name shows up, rather than my e-mail address.
Thanks
Gloria
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Wow. Thanks, I'll have to watch those.
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Gloria said:
I'm still here. Emergency led us to hopt. again, but I'm on the laptop, I dl'd logos 4 and followed your instructions, and it worked. So, thanks so much for all your input.
Now, as I get ready to hit "post" I am hoping that my name shows up, rather than my e-mail address.
Thanks
Gloria
I'm glad to hear that you were able to get things working Gloria. I hope you'll enjoy Logos 4 a bit more now [:)] I hope everything is OK (regarding your emergency and hospital comment)
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Ron Keyston Jr said:
... I have my the main copy of my Bible linked to TSK with link set A and have my secondary copy set to "send links here" for looking up cross-references, etc.
Hope that helps
Ron
EDIT: Oh, I also have my inductive Bible set to "Bible Text Only" so that it doesn't display pericope headings.
Ron, on these part of your instructions, can you tell me what linking those items does for you? That might help me to understanding linking.
Thanks, Gloria
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Gloria said:Ron Keyston Jr said:
... I have my the main copy of my Bible linked to TSK with link set A and have my secondary copy set to "send links here" for looking up cross-references, etc.
Hope that helps
Ron
EDIT: Oh, I also have my inductive Bible set to "Bible Text Only" so that it doesn't display pericope headings.
Ron, on these part of your instructions, can you tell me what linking those items does for you? That might help me to understanding linking.
Thanks, Gloria
Hi Gloria, glad to here you are making some progress. I hope the following screenshot illustrates for you what ron is acheiving by using the setup you have asked about.
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Gloria said:
can you tell me what linking those items does for you? That might help me to understanding linking.
LInking means that resources move together. For example, if you have two Bibles with both set to Link set A then they will both display the same reference, when you move one the other will move. When you link a Bible and commentary together then the Commentary automatically moves with the Bible to display its treatment of that version.
Having a second instance of a Bible open with "Send Hyperlinks Here" selected allows you to click Bible reference links in the commentary without upseting the apple cart. In other words if you were studying 2:4 and clicked a link in the commentary to 4:8 then the Bible and Commentary would both jump to the new verse. By having a second Bible open with the "send hyperlinks here: selected then any Bible link clicked will open in that pane instead of the Bible linked to the commentary?
Is that clear? Visit http://wiki.logos.com/Linking_Resources for pictures and a more detailed explanation.
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Thanks, again, Kevin (and Andrew above). I am sooooooooooo excited. I actually have my layout done, and am going to start tweaking it. I have to figure out what kind of word study link I want to use. Before purchasing Logos, I had spent $$ on the 4 book Zodhiates (OT& NT) books, and didn't want to spent the $$ to purchase them here, but I may have to. I have the Scholars Software package, so I'm not sure about the word study books that it comes with, and so far whenever I have tried to use it for word study when I plan my bible study, there is just too much information, so....I'm wondering about that, but not sure if I should search some here on the forum before I ask questions, but...
This is my first time on a forum, so I'm not sure what the proper way of asking questions and responding works, so I should read about that, and NOTICE that my e-mail address isn't showing up any more. You guys are great teachers. Maybe I should just have you come and lead the bible study.
Gloria
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Gloria, a couple of suggestions. Have you tried the Bible Word Study Report. This will hep you access the resources you have in your library.
There is a video you can watch on how it works at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B40vPTRVJXY
If you really want to gete Zodhiates in Logos then I recommend you take a look at the AMG Bible Essentials package:
http://www.logos.com/products/details/1510
It includes his materials. Althought it comes on a CD for Libroinx 3. You can use this with Logos 4 also. It works out much cheaper to buy the package rather than the individual titles. This is how I got these titles in my library.
You can find more books that Logos has classified as Word Study at the following link:
http://www.logos.com/products/groups/allitems/reference-word-studies
Since you have scholars library though i recommend you always check in your library before making a purchase, somettimes there are resources you might already have that you didn't realise you already owned.
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Hi Andrew:
Thanks for your input. I have seen and actually used that resource. The problem I am having is the "prioritizing" of my resources.
I am very new to word study. I have no knowledge of the resources that I own with my scholars pack and which ones are best, etc. Because I have only used the Zodhiates resources, I kind of feel safe with them. I certainly would/could use what I have, but I don't know which are best. Same with the concordances. Which are good, which are junk.
I would check them out when I first got Logos, but what happened then is that I ended up reading and reading and reading, and before I know it, I had 3 hours in and no more understanding than when I started.
It's all Greek to me. I mean, Nestle???What's that beside a candy company??? Reverse Linear??? Add to that, that I don't even know what a hyperlink is, and you can see why I spend more time trying to get...well, anywhere. But I keep reading here, and checking out the links you folks recommend, and I'm gleaning.
Gloria
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There is certainly a lot to learn at first. But keep perservering with it, it is worth while. Try not to bite off too much at once. Focus on one aspect of the software and understanding how that works and think about how you might use in your bible study before moving on to the next part of the program. Take a similar approach with resources, I know there's a lot in there but try to focus on becoming familar with one or two resources at at time. Look thought the table of contents to see what it includes, read the preface and any other introductory materials.
As you work thorugh aspects of the program and the different resources, if you can find the information you are looking already on the forum or the wiki or training videos start a new question on the forum. Try to make the question as specific as possible.
Two books you have in scholars I suggest you start reading are How to Study the Bible and Handbook of Bible Study. There are not going to directly answer some of the things you are asking here but will help you to think about how you are wanting to approach you study of the bible. Having a plan of attack is the first part of the battle. Once you know what it is you want to do, you can then think about how you do it using Logos 4. Are you familar with reading plans ? If not then try working on setting up a reading plan for one of these books and if you run into issues post a question about the problem you are having in making it work.
You mentioned Reverse Interlinear above is ther something specific you want ot know about them. Please feel free to start a new post asking about it.
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Gloria said:
I have no knowledge of the resources that I own with my scholars pack and which ones are best, etc.
You can use the Library window to learn what you have (i too have the Scholars package). i would suggest starting by viewing the different types of books that you have. You can learn to do this here Tip – quick way to find books by type (it is a subtopic on the wiki page Library). This wiki page can guide you in many ways (e.g. setting up priorities, ratings, & tagging). As Andrew mentioned, you should start slowly so as not to become overloaded. Then things will start to fall into place. Also whenever you get stuck you can come here to the forum to ask questions.
Edit: the text above which are in Blue are links to wiki pages that you view on your browser (e.g. you are using your browser to view this forum). Just left click on the blue text and it will open another tab/window of your browser to that wiki page.
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Gloria said:
Ron, on these part of your instructions, can you tell me what linking those items does for you? That might help me to understanding linking.
Hi Gloria,
Sorry, I logged off after answering your question, so didn't see this one until later. I see that Kevin and Andrew got you taken care of [:)]
Just to add slightly to what they've said: In regard to this particular layout, you have your Bible linked to the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge (TSK). What that does is has TSK "follow" you as you read through your Bible. When you scroll your Bible, the TSK automatically scrolls with it to stay in sync with whatever verse your Bible is currently on. As Kevin and Andrew explained, you can link many types of resources: multiple Bibles, Bibles with commentaries, etc.
I also see that you mentioned not knowing what hyperlinks are. Hyperlinks are the blue underlined text that you can click on to go to the cited location. For example, in the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, all those cross-references are hyperlinks. If you click on them, they take you to that particular scripture reference. That is why you have a second Bible open and set to "send hyperlinks here"...that way, when you click on one of the scripture references, it opens in your second Bible without disturbing your primary Bible. This allows you to "rabbit trail" through scripture without losing your place.
Hope that helps! [:)]
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Ron, on your screenshot, the "highlight" column is nice and thin. I can't minimize it on mine, and it is wider. I would like to make it a bit smaller. So, I was wondering if you could tell me how to do that, or do you have a widescreen?
Thanks, Gloria
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I do have a widescreen...I believe the highlighting toolbar is a fixed size and can't be resized. Sorry [:(]
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Ron Keyston Jr said:
I do have a widescreen...I believe the highlighting toolbar is a fixed size and can't be resized. Sorry
It opens automatically in a fixed size column. However, If you drag the tab to a new location its size can be customized. Or if you drag the word "Highlighting" from the Tools menu you can place it in your layout like a book or guide etc.
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Kevin Becker said:
It opens automatically in a fixed size column. However, If you drag the tab to a new location its size can be customized. Or if you drag the word "Highlighting" from the Tools menu you can place it in your layout like a book or guide etc.
I stand corrected...I guess I should have checked before I answered. [:$]
Thanks Kevin
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I like your layout and have done my best to duplicate it. One problem I'm having - I have my other Bible set up for hyperlinks etc., but it also is displaying my highlights. I notice yours does not seem to be doing that - can you help me out, please? What am I missing?
I love Precept and am excited to try it on Logos. My mother was a Precept teacher back in the early days of the organization.
Thanks!
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Tal Prince said:
I like your layout and have done my best to duplicate it. One problem I'm having - I have my other Bible set up for hyperlinks etc., but it also is displaying my highlights. I notice yours does not seem to be doing that - can you help me out, please? What am I missing?
Nothing, this is a limitation of Logos, if you have multiple copies of a resource open the visual filters displayed will be the same between the two of them. The reason why the picture in question doesn't have have highlights is likely because that passage hadn't been marked up yet. You could get around this by using a different translation for the Bible hyperlinks.
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Thanks Kevin - that is helpful. Disappointing, but helpful.
Do you know of a place where I can find a fuller Precept markup pallet? Is it possible to import one if such a thing exists?
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Tal Prince said:
Do you know of a place where I can find a fuller Precept markup pallet? Is it possible to import one if such a thing exists?
You can't import other people's palettes into your copy of Logos. However you can create your own palette (first duplicating the existing Precept palette to save time - right click on the palette name to do so). You can find more in this video, or on the Wiki.
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Mark Barnes said:Tal Prince said:
Do you know of a place where I can find a fuller Precept markup pallet? Is it possible to import one if such a thing exists?
You can't import other people's palettes into your copy of Logos. However you can create your own palette (first duplicating the existing Precept palette to save time - right click on the palette name to do so). You can find more in this video, or on the Wiki.
Thanks so much Mark! I appreciate that. It will take a long time to create all the different markings, but should be worth it!
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jwsheets said:
Hey JW,
Thanks for that! I took a look, and those instructions don't seem to be working for me. I have Logos 4 for Mac, and can't find that visualmarkup.bp file anywhere on my system. I'll check over there to see if there's a work around at all, or something that I'm just missing.
Thanks!
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