Feature: Improved Speed

Ali Pope

Improved Speed

What is it?

Native support for Apple Silicon gives significantly improved performance increase across the board (35% or more) for everyone with an M1 or M2 processor
.NET 6 support gives everyone an additional performance boost.
Faster indexing (~15%) for everyone on desktop, and about 10% less disk space for the index.
Improved server performance improves the speed of most online functions, which is especially beneficial to the mobile and web apps.

How to access it?

There’s nothing you need to do. Once you have downloaded Logos 10, you will receive the improved speed. If you’re using an M1 or M2 Mac, make sure you select the version suitable for your processor when you download Logos 10.

Note

Speed improvements can vary depending on your unique hardware configuration..

We’d love to hear your thoughts on this new feature. Please provide your feedback in the comments below.

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SineNomine

Faster indexing (~15%) for everyone on desktop, and about 10% less disk space for the index.

There’s nothing you need to do.

To confirm, when a Logos/Verbum 9.x installation updates to Logos/Verbum 10.0, will the existing index on my machine automatically shrink?

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1227370#Comment_1227370

To confirm, when a Logos/Verbum 9.x installation updates to Logos/Verbum 10.0, will the existing index on my machine automatically shrink?

I think this won't happen automatically until 10.1.

In the meantime, you can save some space by deleting the "BibleIndex" folder manually (only AFTER updating to Logos 10).

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1227377#Comment_1227377

To confirm, when a Logos/Verbum 9.x installation updates to Logos/Verbum 10.0, will the existing index on my machine automatically shrink?

I think this won't happen automatically until 10.1.

OK.

In the meantime, you can save some space by deleting the "BibleIndex" folder manually (only AFTER updating to Logos 10).

Will that trigger a new round of indexing or any other side effects?

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1227396#Comment_1227396

full index in L9 on a 2020 M1 took 181 minutes,
full index in L10 on the same M1 took 99.5. For 16000+ resources.

Consider me impressed with the speed

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1227396#Comment_1227396

In the meantime, you can save some space by deleting the "BibleIndex" folder manually (only AFTER updating to Logos 10).

Will that trigger a new round of indexing or any other side effects?

No, it will just free up that disk space. (In Logos 10 ONLY. If you delete that folder in Logos 9, it will rebuild the Bible Index.)

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1227428#Comment_1227428

No, it will just free up that disk space.

Great. That's what I was hoping for. Well done!

Drew Archer

Does .NET 6 support mean support for Windows ARM?

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1227436#Comment_1227436

Does .NET 6 support mean support for Windows ARM?

No, it does not.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1227437#Comment_1227437

Does .NET 6 support mean support for Windows ARM?

No, it does not.

We're tracking that suggestion here: https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/native-support-for-windows-on-arm

(So far, it does not appear to be very popular, at least compared to the Apple Silicon suggestion: https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/native-support-for-apple-silicon-processors .)

Phil Miller

My MacBook upgraded to v10 automatically (connect essentials subscriber). Is there a way to tell in the L10 about screen if it is running the Apple Silicon version?

thanks,
Phil

Levi Durfey

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1227761#Comment_1227761

My MacBook upgraded to v10 automatically (connect essentials subscriber). Is there a way to tell in the L10 about screen if it is running the Apple Silicon version?

thanks,
Phil

Go to the Activity Monitor in macOS. Look at the CPU tab. Find Logos and look for the KIND column...it should say Apple instead of Intel.

Levi Durfey

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1227761#Comment_1227761

My MacBook upgraded to v10 automatically (connect essentials subscriber). Is there a way to tell in the L10 about screen if it is running the Apple Silicon version?

thanks,
Phil

Go to the Activity Monitor in macOS. Look at the CPU tab. Find Logos and look for the KIND column...it should say Apple instead of Intel.

Phil Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1227793#Comment_1227793

Go to the Activity Monitor in macOS. Look at the CPU tab. Find Logos and look for the KIND column...it should say Apple instead of Intel.

It says Apple. [Y] Thanks Levi for the info.

Phil

Levi Durfey

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1227821#Comment_1227821

You're welcome!

Bill Cook

Improved Speed

What is it?

Native support for Apple Silicon gives significantly improved performance increase across the board (35% or more) for everyone with an M1 or M2 processor

.NET 6 support gives everyone an additional performance boost.

Faster indexing (~15%) for everyone on desktop, and about 10% less disk space for the index.

Improved server performance improves the speed of most online functions, which is especially beneficial to the mobile and web apps.

Running MacOS Monterey on Intel i7 3.2 Ghz 6 core with SSD and 16 GB RAM. L10 is slower than L9. See many beachballs. I know above you say big improvements for Apple Silicon. But, the advertising on the web site seems to suggest and above you seem to suggest that all users would see a some kind of speed bump. So, for Intel Macs is anything supposed to be faster?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1228822#Comment_1228822

Running MacOS Monterey on Intel i7 3.2 Ghz 6 core with SSD and 16 GB RAM. L10 is slower than L9. See many beachballs. I know above you say big improvements for Apple Silicon. But, the advertising on the web site seems to suggest and above you seem to suggest that all users would see a some kind of speed bump. So, for Intel Macs is anything supposed to be faster?

Don't know if you follow all the L10 threads, but re-doing the visual filters that have searching improved speed a lot. I still have beachballs on resource opening/closing, though.

Thomas Binder

Problem with loading layouts

Thanks for all the good new ideas and features in Logos 10.

Windows 10:
When loading my layouts, the loading process takes a very long time. The computer stops responding, only after a long wait Logos responds again. Also the loading of the built-in layouts (devotion, bible and commentary, etc.) takes much longer than in Logos 9.

MacBook Pro M1:
Speed and loading are excellent and without delay!
This is how it would be desirable in Windows as well!

Here should be urgently improved. Thanks for a fast support.

Bill Cook

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1228839#Comment_1228839

Don't know if you follow all the L10 threads, but re-doing the visual filters that have searching improved speed a lot. I still have beachballs on resource opening/closing, though.

So, not sure I follow. When you say re-doing the visual filters that have searching, I am not sure what that means. But, I guess I will try to figure that out.

BTW, if I load L10 with no layout, it loads quickly - about 10-15 seconds. Opening an existing layout takes a while.

But, even clicking on the three vertical dots induces the beachball. It seems like just about anything I try to DO does that...

John Duffy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1228855#Comment_1228855

Windows 10:
When loading my layouts, the loading process takes a very long time. The computer stops responding, only after a long wait Logos responds again. Also the loading of the built-in layouts (devotion, bible and commentary, etc.) takes much longer than in Logos 9.

I've got similar problems. After upgrading, completing indexing, restarting Logos 10 a few times, Logos 10 takes about 20-40 seconds to open or close a resource. So many delays with "not responding" and egg-timer showing. The CPU usage is less than 10% while not responding. I'm running Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-10600KF CPU @ 4.10GHz with 32GB Ram and 1TB M2 SSD on 150Mbps broadband. I hope it is just teething problems, and that it will get faster. But I love the 'Add to Library' feature.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1228958#Comment_1228958

Don't know if you follow all the L10 threads, but re-doing the visual filters that have searching improved speed a lot. I still have beachballs on resource opening/closing, though.

So, not sure I follow. When you say re-doing the visual filters that have searching, I am not sure what that means. But, I guess I will try to figure that out.

Bill, NB said when they updated the search syntax, visual filters that had the older syntax could slow things down. I had several that use searches; I deleted, and solved a good portion of really slow layout loads.

But still slow as you and John Duffy describe above.

Anyway Ali Pope (FL) said they were checking another user's logs with same issue as you both, seems like. Can't find her reply to the thread today.

Bill Cook

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1229706#Comment_1229706

Anything I try to do gets ne a beachball. Open Program settings... beachball. If I select, say a guide, the app freezes, then, a beachball after 2-3 seconds, so you think it is locked upm then a beachball, then the item opens, like Canvas.

I deleted all visual filters. I did a total re-index. Same... Nothing has changed.

So, I created diagnostic logs. Uploaded.6433.LogosLogs.williamcook.20221015-080828.zip

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1230224#Comment_1230224

I looked at your logs; the only things that stick out involve notes, but that's not necessarily unusual. I tried some resets based your logs with no impact. I'm impressed the issue seems to be in panel'ing ... opening process, and closing process. If you simply 'move' panel-A to panel-B (even between windows), they're instant. And it's unrelated to access to new features (occurs with or without).

I guess need some experts.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1230224#Comment_1230224

So, I created diagnostic logs. Uploaded.

If I'm reading these correctly, it looks like you're loading a layout with a lot of resources. We found a performance regression in L10 Mac for this scenario, and have a fix coming.

Jerry Bush

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1229702#Comment_1229702

I'm on a Mac. How do I find the bibleindex file?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1230353#Comment_1230353

I'm on a Mac. How do I find the bibleindex file?

If you don't know how to display the Mac library, several options. "Open Finder window. Click Go in a Menu Bar → select Go to Folder. Or use the Cmd+Shift+G key shortcut. Type ~/Library and click Go in a dialog window. The required Mac Library folder will be shown." There's also the 'View' option > Show Folders > option-key to display Library option.

Then (I have Verbum, but Logos4 is there too):

Jerry Bush

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1230375#Comment_1230375

Thanks for the info. This is what I have been trying. I am on Logos and not Verbum, so I assume the folder in Library should read Logos. I don't see a Logos foler (or Verbum).

I only have one hard drive and installed Logos as it wanted to, i.e. not alternate installation or location.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1230377#Comment_1230377

I'm guessing you've already been here, without success (as above). But for others, as to location of files:

https://wiki.logos.com/Installation_and_Indexing_Questions

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1229702#Comment_1229702

I have windows 11, Logos 10... and I have Layouts that span 2 monitors with many books open.... and I don't see any delays like you guys are talking about.

I wonder what the difference is?

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1230377#Comment_1230377

I assume the folder in Library should read Logos

It is Logos4 for Mac OS X (and Verbum for the other).

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1230353#Comment_1230353

I'm on a Mac. How do I find the bibleindex file?

That is in the Data folder unless you did a fresh install of L10. It is not used in L10, so you can delete it if present.

Don Awalt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1230452#Comment_1230452

I'm on a Mac. How do I find the bibleindex file?

That is in the Data folder unless you did a fresh install of L10. It is not used in L10, so you can delete it if present.

Wow good to know that's a real gem Dave! I just deleted my BibleIndex folder, it was 2.67GB! FL should have their version update program delete that if it's not used any more, some people are really pressed for space!

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1230570#Comment_1230570

FL should have their version update program delete that if it's not used any more

It will: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/210355/1227377.aspx#1227377

Jerry Bush

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1230380#Comment_1230380

I'm guessing you've already been here, without success (as above). But for others, as to location of files:

https://wiki.logos.com/Installation_and_Indexing_Questions

Those instructions are not working for me. I am on a Mac. Here is what it says to navigate to:

/Users/username/Library/Application Support/Logos4/Data/random/ResourceManager/Resources

I cannot find a Library folder in my username folder.

What am I missing?

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1230601#Comment_1230601

The Library folder on Mac is not visible by default.

See https://www.lifewire.com/os-x-is-hiding-your-library-folder-2260833 for some ways to enable it

Jerry Bush

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1230608#Comment_1230608

The Library folder on Mac is not visible by default.

See https://www.lifewire.com/os-x-is-hiding-your-library-folder-2260833 for some ways to enable it

Thanks, Graham. I have only dug into something like that a couple of times and forgot.

John Duffy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1229702#Comment_1229702

I've got similar problems. After upgrading, completing indexing, restarting Logos 10 a few times, Logos 10 takes about 20-40 seconds to open or close a resource. So many delays with "not responding" and egg-timer showing. The CPU usage is less than 10% while not responding. I'm running Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-10600KF CPU @ 4.10GHz with 32GB Ram and 1TB M2 SSD on 150Mbps broadband. I hope it is just teething problems, and that it will get faster. But I love the 'Add to Library' feature.

The latest update has certainly fixed the slow opening and closing of resources. Thanks for the quick fix, it is very much appreciated.

Marc van Eijden

My overall impression is that the speed is faster on MacBook Pro M1. That's really nice. Well done.

However the timeline of FSB infographics is extremely slow in displaying the graphics. I wonder why.

Bill Cook

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1231395#Comment_1231395

The update did fix many beach balls on Mac for me. The program loads just as fast with 6 resources open as it does with 30... it now takes about 30 seconds, where before it was 45 seconds.

Thanks much!

David Palmer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1231395#Comment_1231395

My overall impression is that the speed is faster on MacBook Pro M1. That's really nice. Well done.

However the timeline of FSB infographics is extremely slow in displaying the graphics. I wonder why.

I've noticed the FSB timeline issue on my Intel Mac, also. Everything else runs great.

Cobus Alberts

Speed improvements can vary depending on your unique hardware configuration..

My MacBook Pro M1 14 was stolen from within the church this last Sunday (can you believe someone stealing from the pastor in church) and I have to replace it, but can only afford to replace it wit’s the M2 Air.
should I upgrade from 256 to 512 storage or upgrade from 8gb to 16gb RAM.
I can unfortunately only afford one of those upgrades on the base model.

I use my MacBook almost exclusively for Sermons and Logos with lots of multitasking.

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1234340#Comment_1234340

If it were me, I'd probably go for the increased storage. I've got a fairly large library, and I keep bumping into the limits of my hard drive.

However, if your library isn't taking up as much space, the ram is probably a better choice.

Beloved Amodeo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1234340#Comment_1234340

Speed improvements can vary depending on your unique hardware configuration..

My MacBook Pro M1 14 was stolen from within the church this last Sunday (can you believe someone stealing from the pastor in church) and I have to replace it, but can only afford to replace it wit’s the M2 Air.
should I upgrade from 256 to 512 storage or upgrade from 8gb to 16gb RAM.
I can unfortunately only afford one of those upgrades on the base model.

I use my MacBook almost exclusively for Sermons and Logos with lots of multitasking.

I misplaced my Pro and later found it but looked into a replacement and it was recommended to me that for what I used my computer for a M1 Air with enhanced storage would run me around $1,400 and would be more than adequate for my needs.

T Gerold Castle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1234340#Comment_1234340

My recommendation would be this... Just get the base model. (alternatively, get the ram)

The RAM on the silicon chips work differently than how we traditionally understand RAM to work. 8 GB is actually plenty for Logos on the M1 air. The new architecture incorporates a shared memory pool (unified memory) that is both faster and more efficient. It also has a higher memory bandwidth.

Now. having said that... The downside is you're stuck with what you get with the integrated chips. You can't upgrade later.

For the record, you can add an external SSD for MUCH CHEAPER than you can upgrade Apple's internal drives.

So for me, I'd be comfortable with that base model (I own the M1 Air 8gb 256). Logos runs wonderfully on it. If I wanted to guarantee a little future... I'd get the RAM and deal with an external SSD later on.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1234340#Comment_1234340

should I upgrade from 256 to 512 storage or upgrade from 8gb to 16gb RAM.

Refurbished 13-inch MacBook Pro Apple M2 Chip with 8‑Core CPU and 10‑Core GPU - Space Gray is $1,529 with 512GB SSD & 16GB RAM.

Apple Refurbished 2022 Mac models have 10% discount.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1234347#Comment_1234347

Doesn't 'Find My ' help with these situations?

I can see the whereabouts of all the devices in my Family Group.

Bill Cook

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1234352#Comment_1234352

So for me, I'd be comfortable with that base model (I own the M1 Air 8gb 256). Logos runs wonderfully on it. If I wanted to guarantee a little future... I'd get the RAM and deal with an external SSD later on.

agreed.

I got my wife the Air 8GB RAM 256 SSD M1 and it flies!