ESV Study Bible Notes

I would like to buy the ESV Study Bible and I have the Bible Study version of Logos 4.

On the ESV Study Bible webpage, it states:

"Please Note: Unlike previous study Bible resources which do not include the Bible text, this ESV Study Bible is coupled with the full text of the ESV Bible. If you already have a copy of the ESV, you can purchase the ESV Study Bible Notes—without the Bible text."

Now, why would anyone who has Logos purchase the entire ESV Study Bible if every Logos package already has the ESV Bible which entails that people only need to get the ESV Study Bible notes, no?

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Bohuslav Wojnar

It's as it says, if you do not have base package with the ESV already included, you need to buy full thing. Of course people with any current base package should already have ESV in their library.

Brian Lopez

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158603#Comment_158603

Right, but I did not know you could buy Logos resources without having a base package since all base packages all already have the ESV included. That's my point.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158604#Comment_158604

Right, but I did not know you could buy Logos resources without having a base package since all base packages all already have the ESV included. That's my point.

You can buy resources without a base package. There are lots of ways:

Anyone can download the software and buy an individual book.
Third party boxed products that use Libronix don't include the ESV.
Older base packages (pre-Logos4) also didn't include the ESV, but the upgrade to Logos 4 doesn't require upgrading to a Logos4 base package.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158604#Comment_158604

You don't have to have a base package in order to buy and use Logos resources. The engine is free and can be downloaded independently. Of course it wouldn't do much with NO resources but there are some free resources, including Logos's own translation, the Lexham English Bible. And there are some other "starter" packages with a bunch of resources in them that were originally made for Libronix (Logos 3), but you can buy them and use them in Logos 4. For example, NAS Electronic Bible Library, Preacher's Essential Library, Concordia Electronic Theological Library, Collegeville Catholic Reference Library, R.C. Sproul Digital Library, Jon Courson Essential Bible Study Library, and similar starter libraries with the works of other authors

So yes, it is quite possible to build up a Logos library without buying any of the current Logos 4 "base packages." You won't have access to some of the new Logos 4 features, though, the ones that require the special databases they built up for it, e.g., Biblical People/Places/Things, etc. Those databases come only with the new base packages.

Brian Lopez

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158620#Comment_158620

Thank you all. I had no idea the engine could be downloaded for free and add free resources. I'll look into it.

[:)]

Brian Lopez

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158620#Comment_158620

Where is the free engine?

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158625#Comment_158625

Where is the free engine?

It's the same link you use to install Logos4 when you buy a package:

http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/Installer/Logos4Setup.exe

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158622#Comment_158622

Thank you all. I had no idea the engine could be downloaded for free and add free resources. I'll look into it.

I think you'll not really get a full experience of Logos with just a freebie starter package but you can try it. There aren't many resources that are free, and the ones they've got are not the most useful, except the one Bible (LEB) and the abridged BDB (Hebrew lexicon). But do let us know what you think after trying to load up as many free resources as you can find access to. And ask here on the forums if you've got questions on how to use it.

And watch some of the tutorial videos (here and here) before you get frustrated at not being able to do anything in Logos with your minimal free starter package. Some of the videos might make you realize the limitations of not having a base package, as some of the features won't work for you.

Once you get a little taste of What Logos is like, the best deal on other resources is through the base packages. They're able to combine LOTS of stuff from publishers at a great discount this way. Check out the "Features and Databases" section of http://logos.com/comparison to see what you'll be missing out on without a base package (and the colored dots show which base packages each of these features/databases is included in).

Brian Lopez

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158627#Comment_158627

It's the same link you use to install Logos4 when you buy a package:

http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/Installer/Logos4Setup.exe

Thanks!

Brian Lopez

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158633#Comment_158633

I think you'll not really get a full experience of Logos with just a freebie starter package but you can try it. There aren't many resources that are free, and the ones they've got are not the most useful, except the one Bible (LEB) and the abridged BDB (Hebrew lexicon). But do let us know what you think after trying to load up as many free resources as you can find access to. And ask here on the forums if you've got questions on how to use it.

And watch some of the tutorial videos (here and here) before you get frustrated at not being able to do anything in Logos with your minimal free starter package. Some of the videos might make you realize the limitations of not having a base package, as some of the features won't work for you.

Once you get a little taste of What Logos is like, the best deal on other resources is through the base packages. They're able to combine LOTS of stuff from publishers at a great discount this way. Check out the "Features and Databases" section of http://logos.com/comparison to see what you'll be missing out on without a base package (and the colored dots show which base packages each of these features/databases is included in).

Thank you, but I already have Logos 4 Bible Study base package. I was only inquiring as to the reason why the ESV notes should be purchased separately if all base packages already have the ESV, but you guys answered my inquiry.

Im asking for the free download of the engine in case in a friend of mine would like to try it.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158637#Comment_158637

Im asking for the free download of the engine in case in a friend of mine would like to try it.

Yeah. Logos doesn't advertise it, because without resources, one can't really understand the power of Logos. That's why they push people to buy a package and give them a money-back guarantee--which is what I would recommend as well. The automated guides and search capabilities are really useless when you only have 2 or 3 resources.

Dr. Charles A. Wootten

I pulled my print ESV off the shelf to take to church this past Sunday as a result of this discussion on this forum and was glancing through the notes in James and 1st Peter. I was so stunned by a similar statement, bordering on heresy, in both places that I almost dropped the ESV in the floor. The notes indicate that both James and Peter are writing to the "new Israel that has become the church" (my paraphrase) in writing to the Dispersion. While that idea is in contravention to Romans 9-11 and God's promises elsewhere, I'd like to know how these folks came to this conclusion. If the commentators thought to write this idea, then there are folks within the body of Christ that agree with it. I'd also like to know where this idea began.

Rather than excite passions in this forum, I'd like recommendations on how to do a specific, rather than general, search in my Portfolio edition to see if there are others with similar thoughts. If I can understand where these folks are coming from, then I might be able to breathe a bit easier.

thanX!

{charley}

Anthony U

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158787#Comment_158787

Charles-

I don't want to cause a major controversy over your question about the church and Israel because it can generate heated emotions on both sides. I think it stems from the difference between Covenant theology and Dispensationalism. Here is a resourse I would recommend (it reflects a covenantal conviction): http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/dispensationalism.html

I hope it helps as I don't want to be contentious. God bless.

DHG

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158787#Comment_158787

I was so stunned by a similar statement, bordering on heresy...

Try searching your collection for theology books written prior to the 19th century. Read them; you might be stunned.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158787#Comment_158787

I pulled my print ESV off the shelf to take to church this past Sunday as a result of this discussion on this forum and was glancing through the notes in James and 1st Peter. I was so stunned by a similar statement, bordering on heresy, in both places that I almost dropped the ESV in the floor. The notes indicate that both James and Peter are writing to the "new Israel that has become the church" (my paraphrase) in writing to the Dispersion. While that idea is in contravention to Romans 9-11 and God's promises elsewhere, I'd like to know how these folks came to this conclusion. If the commentators thought to write this idea, then there are folks within the body of Christ that agree with it. I'd also like to know where this idea began.

Rather than excite passions in this forum, I'd like recommendations on how to do a specific, rather than general, search in my Portfolio edition to see if there are others with similar thoughts. If I can understand where these folks are coming from, then I might be able to breathe a bit easier.

thanX!

{charley}

While dispensationlists hold a sharp distinction between Israel and the
Church, that is not the case with other traditions, particularly
covenant theology. Perhaps a search on the phrase "Israel of God" (from
Gal 6:16), would lead to a discussion of this topic. I would also search for
the phrase "Church and Israel" or "Israel NEAR Church" in a collection of systematic theologies
(Erickson and Grudem are popular ones that discuss it).

Jerry Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158798#Comment_158798

I pulled my print ESV off the shelf to take to church this past Sunday as a result of this discussion on this forum and was glancing through the notes in James and 1st Peter. I was so stunned by a similar statement, bordering on heresy, in both places that I almost dropped the ESV in the floor. The notes indicate that both James and Peter are writing to the "new Israel that has become the church" (my paraphrase) in writing to the Dispersion. While that idea is in contravention to Romans 9-11 and God's promises elsewhere, I'd like to know how these folks came to this conclusion. If the commentators thought to write this idea, then there are folks within the body of Christ that agree with it. I'd also like to know where this idea began.

I'd suggest the ESV is a good translation, while the ESV Study Bible is highly weighted for Covenant Theology. If you haven't examined the Study Bible Notes, it's worth your time so you can "recommend" or "caution" as you understand Scripture. Crossway has done an excellent marketing job with some excellent resources, e.g., their new ESV Atlas, but marketing and newness are never the source of substance . . .

Alex Scott

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158787#Comment_158787

I'd also like to know where this idea began.

I wonder if a better question might be, where did the idea that it's not, begin. I suspect it may be a reaction to some who take the position that the church has replaced Israel, which is a much different thing, but that's just my opinion - I've never really researched the question about when it began.

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158805#Comment_158805

While I appreciate Charle's objection to the Theological statement re: covenant vs dispensational in the ESV notes. Let me remind you that the Forum Guidelines
do not permit theological debates on the forum.

I am personally interested in this particular question at the moment, but I am showing myself an example by not pushing the debate further. Let's stay focused on Logos - which houses works of disparate theological predispositions - and be mindful of our own needs to interpret the text.

Dr. Charles A. Wootten

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158827#Comment_158827

Let me remind you that the Forum Guidelines
do not permit theological debates on the forum.

Thomas is correct ... and I "knew" that when I typed the question but it wasn't in the forefront of my mind at that moment as I was simply too surprised (still) to engage total thought processes....heh. What I should have done was simply kept it simple.

I do appreciate the resources that everyone has pointed out and I will take a closer look at this issue. Thank you.

Thus ends any further talk on this topic from me. And I apologize for breaking the guidelines.

God bless

{charley}

Jerry M

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158833#Comment_158833

I have ordered the ESV study Bible and have another study Bible's notes, but I like my notes best.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158787#Comment_158787

Mr. Charley,

Here's a link to an unbiased review of the ESV Study Bible edition: http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1456-the-english-standard-version-study-bible-a-review

I hope it helps!

Blessings!

Douglas

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158884#Comment_158884

Peace to you, Douglas. Your posting seems to be strongly against the Logos Forum Guidelines. While you have time, could you please edit your post to conform? Thank you!

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158884#Comment_158884

Douglas, thank you for your edit..

Milford, thank you for helping in the self-monitoring of the forums.

Brian Lopez

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158887#Comment_158887

Well well, didnt know I was going to generate this [:|]

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158886#Comment_158886

Done! Hopefully this will comply better...sorry, but I've read a few things myself that really made me upset; especially knowing that "scholars" wrote them. Other than that, the post has been edited.

Blessings!

Douglas

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158889#Comment_158889

Brian,

I don't think you had anything to do with this, so don't worry. I was sort of commenting on a note posted by Dr. Charley, but somehow the threads got crossed. Anyway, the only thing the other guys are doing is to help me and others follow the forum guidelines which is fair and reasonable. So don't worry, be happy! [:D]

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158891#Comment_158891

Done! Hopefully this will comply better...sorry, but I've read a few things myself that really made me upset; especially knowing that "scholars" wrote them. Other than that, the post has been edited.

Blessings!

Douglas

Thank you, and Blessings to you too! *smile* You seem to have a nice heart, brother! :-)

Brian Lopez

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158893#Comment_158893

Oh that's fine, no real emotions involved, it's all virtual [:D]

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158896#Comment_158896

Oh that's fine, no real emotions involved, it's all virtual

Truly wish it were, Brian; but, unfortunately "virtual" becomes "real" sometimes! *smile*

Jerry Bush

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158884#Comment_158884

Mr. Charley,

Here's a link to an unbiased review of the ESV Study Bible edition: http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1456-the-english-standard-version-study-bible-a-review

I hope it helps!

Blessings!

Douglas

Wow. Without getting into the fray here, that has got to be one of the most biased things I have ever read in my life.

Jerry

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158901#Comment_158901

Well Mr. Jerry,

That's not my review. I proved all things and held fast to that which was good. The rest is subject to individuals opinion about it...hehehe...I just did my job by editing my comment because it reflected my opinion which I should've kept to myself -- other than that, it's all good! [Y]

Blessings to you too!

Douglas [:)]

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158895#Comment_158895

You're welcome Mr. Mildford,

Just trying to keep things in check! [:)]

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158901#Comment_158901

Wow. Without getting into the fray here, that has got to be one of the most biased things I have ever read in my life.

[:)]

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158891#Comment_158891

I've read a few things myself that really made me upset;

I think we probably all have. And I know that I have sometimes written things that I did not know would be controversial.

Yusuf Wijaya

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/158603#Comment_158603

Do all materials in the ESV Study Bible (note, maps, etc) also appear in (any) Base Packages?

I know the ESV bible is included, but what about its support materials such as notes, maps, etc.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/250755#Comment_250755

Do all materials in the ESV Study Bible (note, maps, etc) also appear in (any) Base Packages?

I know the ESV bible is included, but what about its support materials such as notes, maps, etc.

The ESV Study Bible notes are in a separate resource from the ESV Bible, and they are not included in any base package. You can purchase them here:

http://www.logos.com/product/5255/esv-study-bible-notes

Praiser

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/250755#Comment_250755

Do all materials in the ESV Study Bible (note, maps, etc) also appear in (any) Base Packages?

I know the ESV bible is included, but what about its support materials such as notes, maps, etc.

Only the ESV Bible translation is included in the packages. The Study Bible Notes are an add on that must be purchased separately.

Think of it this way...you can go to your local Bookstore and can purchase just a ESV translation Bible or you can get a ESV Study Bible. Just because it is an ESV Bible (translation) doesn't mean it is an ESV Study Bible which contains the notes, charts and maps.

Yusuf Wijaya

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/250756#Comment_250756

I see, thank you for your reply. One more thing, are the resources from the ESV Study Bible similar to the ones on the base package? Do they have the samecontents such as maps and everything, but only on different format?

Update:

Sorry, maybe I explain it wrong, what I meant was, do the additional "contents" from the ESV Bible Study and the Base Packages have the same characteristics / information?

Like for example, some notes, maps, etc that are in the ESV-SB can also be found in one of the Base Packages.

Tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/250755#Comment_250755

Do all materials in the ESV Study Bible (note, maps, etc) also appear in (any) Base Packages?

I know the ESV bible is included, but what about its support materials such as notes, maps, etc.

The ESV Study Bible is sold as a separte product. It is not presently included in any of the base packages.

Just about any one that has the ESV Study Notes has bought it while they were in pre pub.[Y] Now it full price time.[:'(]

http://www.logos.com/product/5255/esv-study-bible-notes

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/250758#Comment_250758

Like for example, some notes, maps, etc that are in the ESV-SB can also be found in one of the Base Packages.

No.

FYI, there are maps in the base packages, but they are not the ones found in the ESV Study Bible.

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/250759#Comment_250759

Just about any one that has the ESV Study Notes has bought it while they were in pre pub. Now it full price time.

Not true. It was 40 or 50% off just some weeks ago. I imagine quite a few bought it then.

Tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/250778#Comment_250778

Just about any one that has the ESV Study Notes has bought it while they were in pre pub. Now it full price time.

Not true. It was 40 or 50% off just some weeks ago. I imagine quite a few bought it then.

You are right, come to think of it, I signed up for the Pre Pub and for some reason canceled it. ¿Money?

Then I bought it when it came out at the discounted price (29.95). I had a little more "dinero" then and saw it was not going to be offered cheaper anytime soon.