trying to understand the "morph in Bible search" change in 24.0 beta 1

Graham Criddle

The release notes for Logos 24.0 beta 1 has:

• Morph Picker popup triggers in Bible Search kind when typing ‘@’ or the prefix for a morph data type reference.

This seems to activate the morph picker when the @ sign is used separately from another search term

but not if immediately next to the search term - as would be the case in a morph search

Is this as expected? I assume so otherwise it would be functioning nearly identically to the morph search

So it looks as though this would enable combining a number of search terms - some of which were specifying morphology but not linked to specific words. Is that correct?

What sort of use case is this intended to address?

Mark Barnes (Logos)

The morph picker in Bible search should display whenever you type an @ sign in a valid location. That is, it should trigger when the @ is on its own or when it follows immediately after a lemma that uses one of the lemma keywords. The picker should also pop up after the morph: keyword.

So it doesn’t display after grace@ because grace isn’t recognised as a lemma. Even if it did display, you’d get no results for your query.

The morph picker in Bible search is intended to have the same behavior as a morph search. We’ve enabled it for convenience not because it does something fundamentally different.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1248131#Comment_1248131

Mark Barnes (Faithlife) said:

The morph picker in Bible search should display whenever you type an @ sign in a valid location. That is, it should trigger when the @ is on its own or when it follows immediately after a lemma that uses one of the lemma keywords. The picker should also pop up after the morph: keyword.

Thanks Mark

Mark Barnes (Faithlife) said:

So it doesn’t display after grace@ because grace isn’t recognised as a lemma. Even if it did display, you’d get no results for your query.

That's a very fair point - sorry about that!

Mark Barnes (Faithlife) said:

The morph picker in Bible search is intended to have the same behavior as a morph search. We’ve enabled it for convenience not because it does something fundamentally different.

So, when searching a Bible, is there any value in specifically using a Morph Search as opposed to using this new capability within a Bible Search?

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1248135#Comment_1248135

Graham Criddle said:

So, when searching a Bible, is there any value in specifically using a Morph Search as opposed to using this new capability within a Bible Search?

It is purely a convenience as one could previously switch an @  query to Bible after developing it in Morph.

Mark Barnes (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1248476#Comment_1248476

What Dave said.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1248690#Comment_1248690

Thanks Dave and Mark - appreciated.