Compatability with Sonoma Developers Beta
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Yes. Some tabs are not displaying properly. Only 1/3 of the content is visible. Tab menus don't work. Logos needs to adapt its product to the new system.
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Yes. Some tabs are not displaying properly. Only 1/3 of the content is visible. Tab menus don't work. Logos needs to adapt its product to the new system.
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Krzysztof Radzimski said:
...Logos needs to adapt its product to the new system.
Not necessarily. Lots can change during a beta process. It's a waste of time and resources to chase every beta build. Most software developers wait until a product is released, or at least close to it, before working on any responsive changes.
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R. Mansfield said:Krzysztof Radzimski said:
...Logos needs to adapt its product to the new system.
Not necessarily. Lots can change during a beta process. It's a waste of time and resources to chase every beta build. Most software developers wait until a product is released, or at least close to it, before working on any responsive changes.
I would say Apple normally releases around b5 but that is just an observation. Take it for what it is worth but Sonoma is now B3.
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I have same problem
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tl;dr: Experience says that Logos Bible Software WILL update to run properly on Sonoma, but Logos the company will not promise compatibility until the day the Sonoma-compatible update is released.
For the benefit of newer Logos users, Logos never makes promises or announcements about future compatibility or functionality, ever. This means:
- Logos might never be updated to run on Sonoma (this is very unlikely).
- Logos might not work on an update at all until Sonoma is released (this, too, is probably unlikely).
- It's possible that Logos may not be compatible with Sonoma for several months following its release.
- The first official word that Logos is compatible with Sonoma will be when the Logos update is released.
I seem to remember that Logos and Ventura got along very well through most of the Ventura beta but that the Windows 11 update created some serious issues, at least when used with certain processors. That could well happen with Sonoma; only time will tell.
Others have a much longer history with Logos than I do, and they can clarify or add to my thoughts here.
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Gregory Lawhorn said:
For the benefit of newer Logos users, Logos never makes promises or announcements about future compatibility or functionality, ever. This means:
- Logos might never be updated to run on Sonoma (this is very unlikely).
- Logos might not work on an update at all until Sonoma is released (this, too, is probably unlikely).
- It's possible that Logos may not be compatible with Sonoma for several months following its release.
- The first official word that Logos is compatible with Sonoma will be when the Logos update is released.
- Faithlife is currently committed to support MacOS 11 and above, but
- Faithlife does not support Beta versions of OS
- Faithlife will not ignore potential support issues but will not comment
- Faithlife usually begins to make changes when a 'release candidate' OS is available
- Faithlife usually makes changes public during one of Logos' beta cycles
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Has anyone found a work around to open the panel menu or to set panel match (A, B, C...)? I have been able to use Logos since the betas although it's been a bit tedious at times, but I haven't found how to set my commentaries up so the panels match.0
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Apple released the 4th beta version of Sonoma today. Unfortunately, the options menu (three vertical dots) still doesn't work; worse, clicking on it hangs Logos. I forced restarts several times, and let it be for several minutes a couple of times. So, Logos and the Sonoma beta are still not playing nice.
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Yes, Logos (I'm running the latest beta) has crashed every time I've tried to use it under the fourth Sonoma developer beta, doing everyday normal things
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Ben said:
Yes, Logos (I'm running the latest beta) has crashed every time I've tried to use it under the fourth Sonoma developer beta, doing everyday normal things
Obed Matus said:It has been my experience that once Logos fixes any incompatibility with a new beta, there is never a problem again with that version of MacOS. So yes, I know that in theory any beta can make any third party software incompatible, it is rare for that to happen.
Hmm... [;)]
(No offense intended Obed. [:)] )
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JT (alabama24) said:Obed Matus said:
... once Logos fixes any incompatibility with a new beta...
Hmm...
(No offense intended Obed.
)None taken. Especially since Logos hasn't fixed any incompatibility yet. Or are you implying that they have? Because I haven't seen it.
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No.
I will ALWAYS post cautionary posts because I want to make sure users understand they may lose access to Logos. It doesn't happen as rarely as you suggested. In this case, Logos <did> work (better) with Sonoma and a subsequent Sonoma build has broken Logos.
As long as users are aware of this, it is good to have beta testers like yourself.
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Interesting that, although I have not tested everything broken with Sonoma, the latest build fixed my text window problem. Logos has been working fine for me.
FJ
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Interesting that, although I have not tested everything broken with Sonoma, the latest build fixed my text window problem. Logos has been working fine for me.
FJ
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JT (alabama24) said:
No.
I will ALWAYS post cautionary posts because I want to make sure users understand they may lose access to Logos. It doesn't happen as rarely as you suggested. In this case, Logos <did> work (better) with Sonoma and a subsequent Sonoma build has broken Logos.
As long as users are aware of this, it is good to have beta testers like yourself.
Ah, I see, we are not seeing eye to eye regarding the meaning of "rarely." Every beta OS always breaks an app, at least one. Right now, IOS beta has broken a calendar app that I had been using and it's the only app that I use that is broken. I am just using the built in calendar app and I'm ok with that. So it is very common that an OS beta will break at least one app. What I meant was that it's rare for an arbitrary app to be broken by the beta OS. For instance, on my phone, I have over 200 apps, and only one is broken. I call that rare. Some others might not work perfectly, but I still can use them fine. So what I mean by rare is this:
If we pick an arbitrary application, it is rare for that application to be broken by a beta OS.As far as for me with Logos and the Sonoma betas, Logos has been working sufficiently well for me to be able to do the work that I need to do. It is not working perfectly, but I'm ok with that. I chose to use the beta and I am not complaining. I am only reporting issues so that Logos is aware of them. The only issue that is annoying for me is the inability to link panels together. But since I have several layouts with panels linked as I like them, I am just using those.
Of all the applications on my MacBook Pro, none are broken with Sonoma beta.
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Obed Matus said:
Ah, I see, we are not seeing eye to eye regarding the meaning of "rarely.
It happened twice to me, and now once to you. If that happened over the course of 10 years, that means that 30% of the time there was some issue that "broke" Logos. Is 30% "rare?"
Again, I am not trying to discourage you from beta testing... but I am trying to discourage those who might need the software to work reliably. There was another user in this thread who seemed to be implying that FL was negligent in the current circumstances. FL is clear: They do not support beta versions of macOS (or windows).
I expect Logos to be up and running at (or shortly after) the release of Sonoma. If they are not, I would consider that negligent.
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JT (alabama24) said:
It happened twice to me, and now once to you. If that happened over the course of 10 years, that means that 30% of the time there was some issue that "broke" Logos. Is 30% "rare?"
Thirty percent is not what I would consider rare; however, I did not say that it was rare for Logos to break. I said that "any beta can make any third party software incompatible, it is rare for that to happen." So yes, I stand by my statement. Two things, first Sonoma did not break Logos for me. Second, Sonoma did not break any of my apps and IOS 17 only broke one app. So even if we look at this year, that is less than 1% of my programs that failed. That for me is rare.
I do think that it's a good idea to warn people about betas although those who are testing the Logos beta should know the risks of using betas.
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Obed Matus said:
"any beta can make any third party software incompatible, it is rare for that to happen."
True. I've used Mac OS betas for a number of years, and never had significant issues with MS Office, Adobe apps, FileMaker Pro, etc.
As I recall, I faced few issues with the MacOS Ventura betas; certainly not the "crash and hang" sort. As with Sonoma, I grabbed it the first chance I could and installed it on an external drive until it was stable, but was able to use it consistently up to the release date.
We have to remember Logos is not a "made-for-Mac" program; it is ported over from the Windows version. Speaking as a complete non-programmer, I feel that such ports are always compromises. They allow other OSs to use the software, but lack the consistency of the native OS. Sonoma obviously breaks some of the 'hooks' that Logos wants to use. I don't remember Logos being truly unusable with any other MacOS beta, especially this far down the road.
Obed Matus said:I do think that it's a good idea to warn people about betas although those who are testing the Logos beta should know the risks of using betas.
Absolutely! There are reasons it takes months to get from the beta stage to the release stage. I have never minded being an early adopter, but I never fully commit myself until my test installations are solid.
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There may be an issue with the Sonoma betas and Microsoft NET framework 4 which Logos is using. So the issue may just take time for Apple to resolve. Not unusual to see these kinds of things.
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Looks like beta 5 completely broke Logos. Logos will show start screen and then crash. can someone confirm they are seeing same issue.
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Looks like beta 5 completely broke Logos. Logos will show start screen and then crash. can someone confirm they are seeing same issue.
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Confirmed :-(0
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Yep. Crashes every time I try to load it.
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Yes, same problem for me. I was on Logos Beta running on beta 4 of Sonoma, and finally, everything is working fine. However, when I installed beta 5, Logos started crashing at startup. I removed Logos from my computer and did a fresh install of Logos (non-beta version, of course), and the program still crashes at start-up.
Michael
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Have y'all tried starting to a blank layout? (Just checking a standard troubleshooting solution).
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JT (alabama24) said:
Have y'all tried starting to a blank layout? (Just checking a standard troubleshooting solution).
Great idea . . . before updating I set Logos to open to a blank layout . . . and . . . nope, doesn't work. Thanks for the idea, though.
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It will not even open to any layouts for me. Every time at about the splash screen appears, the app crashes. Great suggestion though.
Michael
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I always say to myself I am not going to do the beta - but I love betas! I love to play with the new features. I love the new set of of Sonoma. But study and sermon prep without the app and especially the copy and paste is UGH. Always seems that there is something with Logos and beta Mac software. I am thankful I still have my Accordance license, upgraded it to v14 - works perfect and it always seems too even with Mac Betas. This too will pass
Blessings!
Pastor, SOUTHCOAST Church - Goleta, CA
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I’m completely with you. Every year with Apple I say, I’m always so relieved when they release the GA and I tell myself that I won’t do next year’s beta. But when next year rolls around, I always see at least one feature that I just have to try, and inevitably I shoot myself in the foot. Maybe I’ll learn one year.
Blessings,
Michael
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Yeah, no more betas for me after this year. And this time, I mean it! 👀0
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Well now they made the beta so easy, just check the box in the update [;)]
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I know app developers don't support OS betas, but why does some apps has no issues and others crashes completely? In my eyes the app developers MUST then check their app too as it is fragil on a point where it could be more stable. To only wait until the OS is as good the app doesn't crash or have any other issue is the cheap way of disaster, because the app will be still be fragil. That say: take the chance and hardened your app, it will be more bulletproof for future issues as well.
Interestingly I have primarily issues with Bible apps on Sonoma Beta. Logos crashes since the last update completely after app start. Accordance has other issues, and RegexforAccordance dissapear the main window, only the preference window is working. All other Bible apps and non Bible apps are running without issues so far.
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Fabian said:
Interestingly I have primarily issues with Bible apps on Sonoma Beta. Logos crashes since the last update completely after app start. Accordance has other issues, and RegexforAccordance dissapear the main window, only the preference window is working. All other Bible apps and non Bible apps are running without issues so far.
I'm in the same boat--neither Logos nor Accordance run in the most recent Sonoma beta. Fortunately, I have Parallels installed and can run the Windows versions. But if you think about these two programs, both are around 30 years old and are much more mature than other Bible applications. And they do so many more things than not only other Bible applications but also all the single-purpose apps on our computers. These are professional-level programs designed to accommodate a wide range of users. It's remarkable that they're normally up and running as quickly as they are after new versions of Windows and macOS are released.
I've been beta testing pre-release versions of software and operating systems since the 90s because I've always enjoyed doing that kind of thing, and admittedly, I can be impatient and want the new stuff right away. And I've been burned a number of times, but I knew the risks. However, I think I'm at a point that, at least when it comes to operating systems, I'm about done. All of this is much more complex than it was years ago, and it's become too much of a hassle in the last two or three OS updates. I think that after Sonoma, I'll just be content to get new OS releases when they are finally released to all the Muggles :-)
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Fabian said:
why does some apps has no issues and others crashes completely?
Your question shows a lack of understanding about software.
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Rolled back to Ventura. I ran into several issues with app crashing even system apps around beta 3.
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Logos 28.x continues to crash at launch with MacOS Sonoma.
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I was running Sonoma Beta 4. Logos (27.2) worked fine. But then updated to Beta 5 and now Logos crashes every time I try and open it on my MacBook Pro. So, do I have to wait until the next beta release of Sonoma to get it back up? Logos won't update unless I start it, correct?
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I’m surprised that you had much luck with Sonoma. I’m afraid we’ll have to wait for the release version of Sonoma and a properly compatible version of Logos. But, maybe . . .
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I reinstalled Accordance and I am running fine. Odd.
WE ALL KNOW THIS - when we play with Beta's and we stung by them. Pages has issues saving and saving as, so all apps struggle. Part of the "FUN" of the beta. I should listen to myself, but I fail. "Things things I should do" ...... ah, just having fun.
Bottom line is this - the warning about beta software is legit - I have been a beta tester for decades. Blessings all - we have bigger fish to fry! May a fresh anointing fall on your studies!
Pastor, SOUTHCOAST Church - Goleta, CA
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Apple should be on a weekly rollout by now so that update will hopefully be here Wednesday. For now I am using Web version of logos as well as using it on iPad.
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Yes, I had been thinking the same. It’s usually around this time of year that they begin to move to weekly updates, and I am hopeful that the next one will fix the issue that Logos is encountering. I’ve also been using the web version, and while I’m thankful Logos offers it - it’s just not the same.
Michael
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I haven't used the web app for a long time, and very pleasantly surprised how responsive and fast it is! Of course, it's limited functionality. But that's better than the no functionality at all currently on offer on my Sonoma beta MBP.
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I downloaded the Shortcut and when I ran it, the message came up, File not found.
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I would not recommend you trying his solution. As he states, you would be messing around with stuff you should not be.Lyle Phillips said:I downloaded the Shortcut and when I ran it, the message came up, File not found.
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I wish the web app had copy as citation - then it would not have been so tough.
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Well, on a whim I installed the most recent public beta of Sonoma after church yesterday. That, uh, was evidently a mistake... oops!
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Timothy Shrimpton said:
Well, on a whim I installed the most recent public beta of Sonoma after church yesterday. That, uh, was evidently a mistake... oops!
I feel your pain
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Someone else noted this above, but this has forced me to use the Logos web app for the first time in a long, long time. And, wow. It's not all there, but that's a wildly full-featured tool, and really nice! Thank you for that!
On the subject of Logos and the MacOS betas, I have an M1 Mac, and I did test both the Apple Silicon and Intel versions of Logos, and they both exhibit essentially the same behavior (just the Intel one does so less gracefully on this machine). So someone's thought that seems like a core component of Logos rather than the specific OS trappings might have been on to something. Hopefully it's something that Apple and/or Logos can address without too much hassle!
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For what it's worth, I submitted a report about this crash to Apple through their Beta Feedback tool, and it looks like they already have a possible fix in the pipeline per the info that has been added to the report, screen shot below:
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