Note to Progressive Christians ...
Please see BUG or is suggestion needed? dynamic text in personal books - Logos Forums
Dear Progressive Christians,
Please advocate for what you would like to be able to do in Logos, how Logos could better serve your needs. As a conservative Catholic, where my academic needs happen to intersect your needs is not a great way to get a broader view of Protestantism supported by Logos.
P.S. I am sure the same applies to other blocks of Christians, some of which I probably don't even know exist.
Edit: for my understanding of "progressive Christians" enter "What are the defining characteristics of progressive Christians?" into the AI engine of your choice and think of a loose mix-and-match of characteristics with other typical defining characteristics of Christians ...
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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It took me awhile to figure out (I think) what you're talking about, in the referenced thread:
- Functionality in Personal Books (which I thought, per Alabama, was 'over'). But maybe outside PBs, that PBs would use.
- Dynamic text, as in the system managing reference differences (names, spelling), between text-sources
Then, 'Progressive Christians' as either progressive doctrine, or progressive perspective. I'm of the third, a regressive Christian, meaning trying to step in the shoes of the writer/audience. Which demands (I think) what you're asking about (sort of canon-less).
If so, my absolute first need is just to have a reference tool that lists the indices, and who uses them. FL spends so much on indices, and hides them from customers. Today, I was trying to remember where all my Jubilees even were (your thread). Yesterday, it was Community Rule. Before that, Enochian Astronomy (3 Enoch).
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DMB said:
- Functionality in Personal Books (which I thought, per Alabama, was 'over'). But maybe outside PBs, that PBs would use.
They can't be over until FL provides the essential functionality e.g. Messianic Jewish lectionary, Sanctoral cycles, etc. that are dependent on them. I had read the FL message as speaking about expanding functions rather than maintaining functions.
DMB said:'Progressive Christians'
I am allowing people to self-identify. I was surprised when a particular forum user self-identified as progressive so I checked with someone I thought of as mainstream-liberal Protestant only to have them tell me they thought of themselves as progressive.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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'All I want for Christmas is' a reverse interlinear tagged CEB. (vote here)
I would also like more diverse and ecumenically-minded publishers and authors.
I'd love a truly ecumenical base package.
I would like less of a firewall between Logos and Verbum functionality but I've already been flatly told by a Faithlife employee they're not going to do that.
I would like lectionary layouts to remember how I have the screen laid out but update dynamically to today's (or the upcoming Sunday's) date instead of freezing the date along with the saved/customized layout.
I just want Faithlife to design its tools, resources, and datasets with the broader church in mind from the design phase, and not low-church protestant evangelicals with everyone else being an afterthought or tack-on.
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Personally, I think Logos is on a "progressive church" agenda, depending on what you mean by "progressive church".
I would like to see more "conservative church" agenda.... meaning that I would like to see more books from Church of Christ. But then, I am also a Book Chapter Verse kind of guy.
imho. [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
Personally, I think Logos is on a "progressive church" agenda, depending on what you mean by "progressive church".
I would like to see more "conservative church" agenda.... meaning that I would like to see more books from Church of Christ. But then, I am also a Book Chapter Verse kind of guy.
imho.
It never ceases to amaze me how people in the forums just insist on being off-topic and taking every opportunity to go on their such-and-such "agenda" rants. Can folks ever just decide, "This conversation doesn't pertain to me or my interests, I think I'll just skip it..."?
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Kiyah said:
I would also like more diverse and ecumenically-minded publishers and authors.
I just want Faithlife to design its tools, resources, and datasets with the broader church in mind from the design phase, and not low-church protestant evangelicals with everyone else being an afterthought or tack-on.
Basically this.
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scooter said:
What does 'low-church' mean?
Believe it or not, WikiP has an article:
If you enjoy humor (being careful), at the bottom is a great web page on the historical difference (unsecure; be forewarned).
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scooter said:
Non-liturgical, less ritual/ceremony, less elaborate. Episcopalians or Catholics would be an example high-church, Baptists would be an example of low-church. It's not a value judgment, it's a description of the style of worship.
Think low-church = simple; high-church = fancy
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Kiyah said:scooter said:
Non-liturgical, less ritual/ceremony, less elaborate. Episcopalians or Catholics would be an example high-church, Baptists would be an example of low-church. It's not a value judgment, it's a description of the style of worship.
Think low-church = simple; high-church = fancy
I was wondering if it was a value judgement. It's not. Thanks, Kayak.
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Kiyah said:
I just want Faithlife to design its tools, resources, and datasets with the broader church in mind from the design phase, and not low-church protestant evangelicals with everyone else being an afterthought or tack-on.
I feel your concerns more deeply now than I would have a couple of weeks ago. Here's why.
Seems like 1,000,000 video studies have been added. When I go thru the new stuff, I feel like they are in my way, obscuring books.
I was in a multi-level marketing deal years ago where one bought tapes. I want written words to digest; no more talk, or the 'picture' that goes with some of them.
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Kiyah and Anthony Sims and other liberal/progressive Christians -
Are these lists of publishers and authors anywhere on the mark of what you'd like to see expanded? Or do you have better suggestions?
Ecumenical in orientation:
- World Council of Churches
- Orbis Books
- Fortress Press
- Paulist Press
- Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co.
- Liturgical Press
- Church Publishing Incorporated
- IVP Academic
Yes, you'll notice a heavy ACELO bias (Anglican-Catholic-Eastern Orthodox-Lutheran-Oriental Orthodox) as that is the terrain I am familiar with.
- Thomas Merton
- Rowan Williams
- Jürgen Moltmann
- Hans Küng
- Lesslie Newbigin
- Olivier Clément
- Catherine Mowry LaCugna
- Elizabeth A. Johnson
- Brian McLaren
- Kallistos Ware
Interfaith in focus
- Orbis Books
- SkyLight Paths Publishing
- Paulist Press
- Fons Vitae
- Oxford University Press
- Westminster John Knox Press
- Abingdon Press
- Jewish Lights Publishing
- Plough Publishing House
- Thich Nhat Hanh
- Thomas Merton
- Hans Küng
- Paul F. Knitter
- Raimon Panikkar
- Miroslav Volf
- John Hick
- Amy-Jill Levine
- Rowan Williams
- David Bentley Hart
Progressive in focus
- Westminster John Knox Press
- Orbis Books
- Fortress Press
- Church Publishing Incorporated
- Chalice Press
- Wipf and Stock
- Beacon Press
- Plough Publishing House
- IVP Books
- HarperOne
- John Shelby Spong
- Marcus Borg
- Brian McLaren
- Rachel Held Evans
- Nadia Bolz-Weber
- Jim Wallis
- Matthew Fox
- Diana Butler Bass
- Richard Rohr
- Catherine Keller
Merely liberal in focus
- Paul Tillich
- Rudolf Bultmann
- Harry Emerson Fosdick
- Karen Armstrong
- Elisabeth Schüssler Fiorenza
- Sallie McFague
- Gerd Lüdemann
Perennial philosophy in focus
- Aldous Huxley
- Frithjof Schuon
- Thomas Merton
- Huston Smith
- Raimon Panikkar
- Ananda Coomaraswamy
- René Guénon
- Bedřich Hrozný
- Seyyed Hossein Nasr
- Richard Rohr
Just for fun, most controversial
- John Shelby Spong
- Dan Brown
- Bart Ehrman
- Joel Osteen
- Matthew Fox
- Reza Aslan
- T.R. Jakes
- Elaine Pagels
- Rob Bell
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Feel free to chuckle at some of the entries, I am outside my comfort zone but want to provoke some more specifics on the resources you believe to be out of balance. My own bias is obviously the Eastern and Oriental resources.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Kiyah and Anthony Sims and other liberal/progressive Christians -
Are these lists of publishers and authors anywhere on the mark of what you'd like to see expanded? Or do you have better suggestions?
I'm going to take a stab at working on a list. This list is a good start but some of these authors/publishers are already in Logos.
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MJ. Smith said:
Progressive in focus
- Westminster John Knox Press
- Orbis Books
- Fortress Press
- Church Publishing Incorporated
- Chalice Press
- Wipf and Stock
- Beacon Press
- Plough Publishing House
- IVP Books
- HarperOne
I wouldn't call Westminster John Knox Press "Progressive". It has always been the go-to publisher for serious and academic Presbyterian works when I was a Presbyterian (UPC in Seattle) and beyond. Their website explains that they publish works that "cover the spectrum of religious thought." They publish, for example, Alister McGrath (who has "had a tremendous impact on the renaissance of evangelical theology"), N.T. Wright ("an influential biblical interpreter among evangelical and conservative-mainline Christians"), and Marva Dawn ("generally perceived as a Lutheran evangelical"), but also Barbara Brown Taylor, who would be counted among and would appeal to Progressive Christians.
I wouldn't have thought of Orbis Books as "Progressive" necessarily, although they do publish a lot of liberation theology which is of interest to Progressive Christians. But Faithlife/Logos needs to get its act together and get Orbis into their catalogue in a big way. They have tons of good books, many of which I have on my dead tree shelves.
I wouldn't call Plough Publishing House progressive. They are the publishing house for the Bruderhof, "an international movement of Christian communities whose members are called to follow Jesus together in the spirit of the Sermon on the Mount and of the first church in Jerusalem, sharing all our talents, income, and possessions." They publish spiritual classics, high quality devotional books, books on costly Christianity and life in community, etc.
I wouldn't call IVP Books "Progressive". It's pretty classic evangelical as far as I am aware. My mother always used to carry lots of IVP books in her evangelical bookstores back in the 1970s-1990s. An anecdotal history of IVP published in 2006 summarized the "leading authors and books that shaped evangelicalism in the 20th century." (Wikipedia) Maybe it has moved more to the left/progressive end in recent years but I haven't been finding my favorite progressive authors among their recent publications.
HarperOne -- definitely Progressive, and I'd love to see Logos get on board with them.
MJ. Smith said:
[Progressive in focus]
- John Shelby Spong
- Marcus Borg
- Brian McLaren
- Rachel Held Evans
- Nadia Bolz-Weber
- Jim Wallis
- Matthew Fox
- Diana Butler Bass
- Richard Rohr
- Catherine Keller
Merely liberal in focus
- Paul Tillich
- Rudolf Bultmann
- Harry Emerson Fosdick
- Karen Armstrong
- Elisabeth Schüssler Fiorenza
- Sallie McFague
- Gerd Lüdemann
I wouldn't make as much of a distinction between Liberal and Progressive as you do. There are definitely the classic 19th and early 20th century Liberal Protestant types like Paul Tillich, Rudolf Bultmann, and Harry Emerson Fosdick from your list, to which I'd add Friedrich Schleiermacher, Adolf von Harnack, Henry Ward Beecher, Walter Rauschenbusch, John A.T. Robinson, John Hick.
But many Christians today would use the terms Liberal and Progressive almost interchangeably for current authors, or at least the term "Liberal" has become so mushy as to encompass all of what would fall under the heading Progressive. I would consider feminist theology (Elisabeth Schüssler Fiorenza, Sallie McFague) to be both Liberal and Progressive, for example.
I have "Liberal/Progressive" as a tag in my library, and it includes all of the classic Liberal Protestants I mentioned above (except Hick, who is lacking in Logos's catalogue; they only have one of those Four Views Counterpoints series that includes one view by him) plus more contemporary authors, e.g., Walter Brueggemann, Rob Bell, Scot McKnight, Brad Jersak, Rachel Held Evans.
Others I'd like to see Logos carry that I'd lump in this category include: John Hick, William Sloane Coffin, John Shelby Spong (even though controversial), Sarah Bessey, and more each of: Rob Bell, Diana Butler Bass, Barbara Brown Taylor, Joan Chittister, Phyllis Tickle, Anne Lamott, Randal Rauser, Brad Jersak, Rachel Held Evans, Brian McLaren, Peter Enns.
One problem for me is that I gave up long ago on Logos carrying more progressive titles, and I've begun buying them in Kindle. So if Faithlife does produce Logos eBooks of any of these, I'm not likely to buy them again from them.0 -
I have no objections to any of your critiques of the publishers list ... they were a starting point based on my knowing of at least one author I think of as progressive published by them.
I agree there is a large overlap between liberal and progressive Christianity. I make the distinction because of my interest in canon, worship, and interfaith discussions ... the three areas where I see the most difference. For example, I have only seen those I consider progressive using gnostic texts in worship in ways that are traditionally used to define canonicity. And I've seen more experimental worship among progressives and more sliding into what I would label "perennial philosophy" among progressives. But while I find the distinction useful, it is far enough outside my area of expertise that I could easily be convinced that there is a better way of making the distinction.
Thank you for engaging and providing more authors for me to push on behalf of the broader Protestant community.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I asked ChatGPT "Is there much different between Liberal Christianity and Progressive Christianity? If so, how would you describe the difference(s)?" and it responded:
"Liberal Christianity and Progressive Christianity are related but distinct movements within the broader Christian tradition. While they share some similarities, there are notable differences in emphasis and approach.
"Liberal Christianity emerged in the 19th century and sought to reconcile Christian theology with the intellectual and cultural developments of the time, particularly the rise of scientific inquiry and critical biblical scholarship. Liberal Christians tend to prioritize reason, individual conscience, and a more metaphorical or symbolic interpretation of Scripture. They often embrace progressive social values and advocate for social justice, human rights, and inclusivity. Liberal Christians may be open to revising traditional doctrines and beliefs in light of contemporary understanding and may emphasize ethical teachings of Jesus over specific dogmas.
"On the other hand, Progressive Christianity represents a more recent movement that gained momentum in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. It shares many of the liberal values but also incorporates a more explicitly activist and socially engaged approach. Progressive Christians focus on addressing systemic injustices, ecological concerns, and promoting inclusivity and diversity within Christian communities. They often critique institutional forms of religion and advocate for interfaith dialogue and cooperation. Progressive Christianity seeks to deconstruct and reconstruct Christian theology and practice to make it relevant and meaningful in the context of contemporary social, cultural, and scientific insights.
"While there is overlap between the two, the main distinction lies in the emphasis and approach. Liberal Christianity is often associated with a more intellectual and theological orientation, focusing on the compatibility of faith with reason and modernity. Progressive Christianity, in addition to intellectual engagement, places a stronger emphasis on social justice, activism, and transforming the world through concrete actions.
"It's worth noting that these movements are broad and diverse, and individual beliefs and practices can vary widely within both Liberal Christianity and Progressive Christianity. The distinctions I provided offer a general overview, but there may be variations and overlaps depending on specific contexts and individuals within these movements."That comports with my understanding of the differences/similarities.
I also referenced the Wikipedia pages on Liberal Christianity and Progressive Christianity to jog my memory when I was coming up with author names above.
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Why would one want to be liberal or progressive? Isn't the bible good enough?
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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It depends on ones approach. I suspect you and I share the approach that the Bible is pre-eminent above, before, and better than anything else. But there are plenty of other traditions that add other things on top of scripture. No disrespect to those people intended; and apologies if I miss the mark. I have family in some of the other traditions but have only ever been in conservative protestant traditions. Regardless the catholics for instance hold church tradition, and the pope's "ex cathedra" quite highly indeed. When the pope speaks ex cathedra his words are exempted from error in catholic thought.xnman said:Why would one want to be liberal or progressive? Isn't the bible good enough?
The 1900s liberals mirrored that, except instead of adding papal words and some traditions, they added scientific thought and philosophy.
Modern progressivism is similar in that vein in that they are adding other things as being of equal or greater worth to scripture.
Whereas conservative protestants eschew anything beyond the bible as secondary to the bible.
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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MJ. Smith said:
Just for fun, most controversial
- John Shelby Spong
- Dan Brown
- Bart Ehrman
- Joel Osteen
- Matthew Fox
- Reza Aslan
- T.R. Jakes
- Elaine Pagels
- Rob Bell
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Great list. I love Osteen and Bell being on the same list as Nietzche. Do you mean T.D. Jakes?
I would add - and this may be controversial, but I'd add the extremists in the social gospel camp, and much of the prosperity gospel folks (even Stephen Furtick a products of one of the SBC seminaries).
Prosperity gospel folks not always, but often add health wealth and happiness as priorities ahead of the gospel sliding them into a more progressive stance. So could some of the social gospel guys.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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You wish. Conservative protestants center around the late 2nd and early 3rd century in terms of 'we believe' ... most of which was Catholic bishops and various conferences. A strict Bible reading (plain text) is much earlier; protestants are just a few traditions earlier than subsequent Catholic or later liberal > progressive. Luther couldn't let go of James.abondservant said:Whereas conservative protestants eschew anything beyond the bible as secondary to the bible.
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MJ. Smith said:
Kiyah and Anthony Sims and other liberal/progressive Christians -
Are these lists of publishers and authors anywhere on the mark of what you'd like to see expanded? Or do you have better suggestions?
While I resist labeling, I would add The Pilgrim Press and United Church Press (imprints of the UCC).
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xnman said:
Why would one want to be liberal or progressive? Isn't the bible good enough?
Plenty of theologians from all across the theological spectrum have written theology that goes "beyond" the Bible, deriving their theology from the Bible but systematizing it in ways that are not strictly biblical. And we've all been, whether we are aware of it or not, the beneficiaries of such theologizing. We would not even know about the concept of the Trinity if theologians hadn't pieced together hints in the Bible and come up with that doctrine, which now in retrospect we can look back and say "duh! of course!" but it had not been thought of that way, and that word doesn't even appear in the Bible.
Liberal and progressive are just different lenses to read the Bible through, based entirely on seeing what they think is the most important emphasis of the Bible. For example justice for the oppressed, which is a common theme in the OT prophets, is more important in liberal/progressive theology than evangelism which is more important in conservative theology. But neither one is the *only* message of the Bible. It's just a matter of emphasis, IMO. We can all benefit from learning from those who draw out parts of the Bible that we might minimize from our own theological background. And our theological lenses will cause us to misconstrue what those from a different theological camp are on about if we don't read what they are saying about it. Our own people might tell us those other folks are heretics. That's what I was brought up to believe about Liberals. It wasn't until I was exposed to what they were actually saying that I realized I'd misunderstood it.
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xnman said:
Why would one want to be liberal or progressive? Isn't the bible good enough?
Please don't pull this thread off-topic. Remember that as OP and non-Protestant, I fall into neither camp but rather wanted feedback on software functions and resource requirements for those who do fall into either of these camps. My motives are self-serving - the better Logos/Verbum is at meeting everyone's needs, the better it meets mine. I want to know what suggestions to support even if they don't matter to me for personal use.
Everyone else. Please don't let xnman pull this thread into controversy that will get it shut down. I'm not concerned about posts that try to clarify what is meant by liberal and progressive, but I really do want to know what software changes and resource additions would better support those users who self-identify with the labels. That should be well within the guidelines.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ .... Didn't try to pull thread anywhere.... just asked a question.... which is pertinent with the discussion of the thread.... wish you would quit assuming so much. Relax.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
Didn't try to pull thread anywhere.... just asked a question
Your question was theological and not related to Faithlife software functions and resources nor to clarification of the OP's question. It objectively pulled the thread off topic.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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xnman said:
Why would one want to be liberal or progressive? Isn't the bible good enough?
3:1 There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every event under heaven—[1]
Without being too specific, my worship of God falls within the Restoration Movement. When our local church was built over 100 years ago, it served our congregation, as well as a Baptist and Methodist congregation. Sometimes, in our community, we share celebrations with the Baptist Church that grew out of our original building. When we do so, we do not seek to discuss our differences, but celebrate our common desire to serve God. When we air our differences — sometimes with great emotion — in front of those who do not know of God, we risk making life following God look no different than life not following God.
Certainly, there are venues in which it is proper to thoroughly share our personal understanding of God’s word. There are many forums, for good or ill, to be found on the internet. This particular forum is not one of those though, as it is one that is set up with the singular task of aiding those who seek to use a particular software in their personal journey to grow in knowledge.
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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I appreciate this post. There have been times I wish there were more resources of theological perspectives I do not agree with, mostly progressive, so I could read primary sources. My preference is to keep my resources in Logos instead of other platforms in order to keep everything in one place.
MJ. Smith said:xnman said:Why would one want to be liberal or progressive? Isn't the bible good enough?
Please don't pull this thread off-topic. Remember that as OP and non-Protestant, I fall into neither camp but rather wanted feedback on software functions and resource requirements for those who do fall into either of these camps. My motives are self-serving - the better Logos/Verbum is at meeting everyone's needs, the better it meets mine. I want to know what suggestions to support even if they don't matter to me for personal use.
Everyone else. Please don't let xnman pull this thread into controversy that will get it shut down. I'm not concerned about posts that try to clarify what is meant by liberal and progressive, but I really do want to know what software changes and resource additions would better support those users who self-identify with the labels. That should be well within the guidelines.
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FeedBear requests deserving votes based on Rosie's list: Please vote and/or add request for resources and/or purchase resources from some of the authors.
Elisabeth Schüssler Fiorenza - no requests
- available
- 1 Peter: Reading against the Grain (T&T Clark Study Guides to the New Testament) | Logos Bible Software
- Semeia 47: Interpretation for Liberation | Logos Bible Software
- Ephesians | Logos Bible Software
- Jesus: Miriam’s Child, Sophia’s Prophet: Critical Issues in Feminist Christology | Logos Bible Software
Sallie McFague - no requests
- available
Walter Brueggemann
- New Cambridge Bible Commentary | Faithlife
- Delivered out of Empire: Pivotal Moments in the Book of Exodus, Part 1 (Pivotal Moments in the Old Testament) | Faithlife
- The NRSV Renovaré Spiritual Formation Bible, Richard J Foster, editor | Faithlife
- Year D (Lectionary) | Faithlife
- Walter Brueggemann: Into Your Hand: Confronting Good Friday | Faithlife
- available
Rob Bell - no requests
- available
Scot McKnight
- McKnight: Revelation for the Rest of Us | Faithlife
- The new "My Theology" (2022) series from Fortress Press | Faithlife
- Jesus and His Death: Historiography, the Historical Jesus, and Atonement Theory | Faithlife
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- Philippians and 1 and 2 Thessalonians (New Testament Everyday Bible Study Series) | Logos Bible Software
- Church in the Present Tense (ēmersion: Emergent Village resources for communities of faith) | Logos Bible Software
- A Fellowship of Differents: Showing the World God's Design for Life Together | Logos Bible Software
- Pastor Paul: Nurturing a Culture of Christoformity in the Church (Theological Explorations for the Church Catholic) | Logos Bible Software
- The Jesus Creed: Loving God, Loving Others, 15th Anniversary Edition | Logos Bible Software
- Acts (New Testament Everyday Bible Study Series) | Logos Bible Software
- Five Views on the Gospel (Counterpoints: Bible and Theology) | Logos Bible Software
- Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy | Logos Bible Software
- A Church Called Tov: Forming a Goodness Culture That Resists Abuses of Power and Promotes Healing | Logos Bible Software
- The State of New Testament Studies: A Survey of Recent Research | Logos Bible Software
- Perspectives on Paul: Five Views | Logos Bible Software
- Reading Romans Backwards: A Gospel of Peace in the Midst of Empire | Logos Bible Software
- The Letter of James (The New International Commentary on the New Testament | NICNT) | Logos Bible Software
- 1 Peter (NIV Application Commentary | NIVAC) | Logos Bible Software
Brad Jersak
Rachel Held Evans - no requests
- Available:
- Outside the Lines: How Embracing Queerness Will Transform Your Faith | Logos Bible Software
- One Coin Found: How God's Love Stretches to the Margins | Logos Bible Software
- Parenting Forward: How to Raise Children with Justice, Mercy, and Kindness | Logos Bible Software
- Unraptured: How End Times Theology Gets It Wrong | Logos Bible Software
- Inspired: Slaying Giants, Walking on Water, and Loving the Bible Again | Logos Bible Software
- A Year of Biblical Womanhood: How a Liberated Woman Found Herself Sitting on Her Roof, Covering Her Head, and Calling Her Husband 'Master' | Logos Bible Software
- Searching for Sunday: Loving, Leaving, and Finding the Church | Logos Bible Software
- Inspired: Slaying Giants, Walking on Water, and Loving the Bible Again (audio) | Logos Bible Software
- Evolving in Monkey Town: How a Girl Who Knew All the Answers Learned to Ask the Questions | Logos Bible Software
- Faith Unraveled: How a Girl Who Knew All the Answers Learned to Ask Questions | Logos Bible Software
- A Year of Biblical Womanhood: How a Liberated Woman Found Herself Sitting on Her Roof, Covering Her Head, and Calling Her Husband �Master� (audio) | Logos Bible Software
That is one block of resources - enough that you can reasonable review and vote ... more votes equals more visibility to marketing and acquistions, evidence that there is a block of Logos/Verbum users who would use these materials.
Other blocks will follow.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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abondservant said:
Regardless the catholics for instance hold church tradition, and the pope's "ex cathedra" quite highly indeed. When the pope speaks ex cathedra his words are exempted from error in catholic thought.
Please refrain from stating Catholic positions incorrectly. Catholics hold three things highly: Apostolic tradition, Scripture, and the Magisterium (teaching authority of the church from which "ex cathedra" derives - it has been invoked zero to two times in 2000 years.). [Note the magisterium belongs not to the hierarchy but to the Church - what everyone, everywhere, for all time believes]. They are not "added to" Scripture but existed before Scripture existed - Scripture is the last of the three to develop. Historical order apostles --> Church --> Scripture If necessary, I can point you to appropriate resources.
For those concerned that this is OT - it is but is correcting factually incorrect information.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
I can point you to appropriate resources.
Your posts are always helpful. I would find it helpful to know of the appropriate resources for what you have written. Of course it would be most helpful if the resources were in Logos. But if not, they would still be useful.
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I would also consider IVP as classic evangelical, and not progressive.
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Mark said:
I would find it helpful to know of the appropriate resources for what you have written.
For the historical order of apostles --> church --> scripture, the source is, of course, the Bible. I fudged a bit in not separating the Old Testament from the New Testament which I justified because the canon of the OT was not yet set. For reading, I suggest The First Bible of the Church: A Plea for the Septuagint | Logos Bible Software as a good place to start in terms of understanding scripture in the Christian tradition prior to the New Testament being written and standardized. For the deposit of Faith which the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox tend to speak of as a unity, Catholics recognize its unity as the "deposit of faith" but in normal Western style dissect into Apostolic Tradition, Magisterium of the Church, and Scripture. For the relationship between the three parts The Fathers Know Best: Your Essential Guide to the Teachings of the Early Church | Logos Bible Software Chapters 1, 6, and 7 provide a decent introduction with a minimal amount of jargon. I may be oversimplifying, but the Apostolic Tradition as applied today is most often seen in the interpretative tradition and liturgies. I can't think of any dogma that is not at least hinted at in Scripture. But don't assume everything you read, even in the Catechism of the Catholic Church is dogma. Some is merely the best guess of the theologians at this time or (non-apostolic) tradition, and doctrine falls anywhere on the continuum between dogma and best guess. Ott, Ludwig. Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma. St. Louis: B. Herder Book Company, 1957. is the best on this but is no longer available in Faithlife because of issues with rights and the problems with the current translation. Unfortunately, it is the best, if not only, source that I can think of that documents the support for doctrine thoroughly enough for one to see how Apostolic tradition, magisterium, and scripture interact.
For the definition of magisterium, from a book also worth reading but assumes Catholic theological basics are known:
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This is to say that the Magisterium should take the necessary steps to know and recognize the authentic tradition of the Church. The first step is to look for the mark of unanimity, which has always signified the activity of the Holy Spirit and the presence of God. The rule of St. Vincent of Lérins applies here, described by Fr. d’Alès as “a directing principle for the teaching Church herself”. St. Vincent’s rule is well known: he said (in 434) that we must believe what has been believed everywhere, always and by everyone, quod ubique, quod semper, quod ab omnibus.24 We shall doubtless have occasion to return to this “canon” or rule to examine its excessively static, not to say archaizing, character, and thus its limited validity. It is useful at least in the realm of positive application in the sense that what has been held everywhere, always and by everyone belongs definitely to the Church’s tradition—and this is what interests us here.
24 Commonitorium, c. 2 (PL 50:639).
Yves Congar, The Meaning of Tradition, trans. A. N. Woodrow (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 2004), 71.
For those concerned that this is OT - it is OT in this thread but is a response to a request for recommendations on Logos resources which are explicitly recommended..
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thanks. I have Ott's book in Logos. I appreciate the resources you suggest.
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MJ. Smith said:
FeedBear requests deserving votes based on Rosie's list: Please vote and/or add request for resources from some of the authors.
Elisabeth Schüssler Fiorenza - no requests
Sallie McFague - no requests
Walter Brueggemann
- New Cambridge Bible Commentary | Faithlife
- Delivered out of Empire: Pivotal Moments in the Book of Exodus, Part 1 (Pivotal Moments in the Old Testament) | Faithlife
- The NRSV Renovaré Spiritual Formation Bible, Richard J Foster, editor | Faithlife
- Year D (Lectionary) | Faithlife
- Walter Brueggemann: Into Your Hand: Confronting Good Friday | Faithlife
Rob Bell - no requests
Scott McKnight
- McKnight: Revelation for the Rest of Us | Faithlife
- The new "My Theology" (2022) series from Fortress Press | Faithlife
- Jesus and His Death: Historiography, the Historical Jesus, and Atonement Theory | Faithlife
Brad Jersak
Rachel Held Evans - no requests
That is one block of resources - enough that you can reasonable review and vote ... more votes equals more visibility to marketing and acquistions, evidence that there is a block of Logos/Verbum users who would use these materials.
Other blocks will follow.
Thanks, MJ! I had already voted on or requested most of those, but I voted on a couple more due to your bringing them to our attention.
Here are some more from my list which I've now added requests for. I'm guessing most of these won't be of interest to the vast majority of Faithlife's target audience, and they aren't all or mostly people I would agree 100% with, but I'm putting them here just for completeness. They have been very influential on Progressive Christians, so if anyone wants to engage in dialogue with Progressive folks, one or more of these might be a starting point.
John Hick
- Who or What is God?: And Other Investigations
- A Christian Theology of Religions: The Rainbow of Faiths
- The Rainbow of Faiths: Critical Dialogues on Religious Pluralism
- God and the Universe of Faiths: Essays in the Philosophy of Religion
- The Metaphor of God Incarnate: Christology in a Pluralistic Age (Second Edition)
- The Myth of God Incarnate
- Disputed Questions in Theology and the Philosophy of Religion
- God Has Many Names
- The Myth of Christian Uniqueness: Toward a Pluralistic Theology of Religions (co-edited with Paul F. Knitter)
- Philosophy of Religion (4th Edition)
- The Fifth Dimension: An Exploration of the Spiritual Realm
- An Interpretation of Religion: Human Responses to the Transcendent
- John Hick: An Autobiography
William Sloane Coffin
- Credo
- Letters to a Young Doubter
- The Collected Sermons of William Sloane Coffin: The Riverside Years, Volume 1 (1977-1982)
- The Collected Sermons of William Sloane Coffin: The Riverside Years, Volume 2 (1983-1987)
- The Heart Is a Little to the Left: Essays on Public Morality
- A Passion For The Possible: A Message to U.S. Churches, Second Edition
John Shelby Spong (he was prolific, and I'm only including a selection of the most important ones; see his Wikipedia page for a more comprehensive list)
- Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism: A Bishop Rethinks the Meaning of Scripture (1991)
- Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible with Jewish Eyes (1996)
- Why Christianity Must Change or Die: A Bishop Speaks to Believers In Exile (1999) -- this was when he first appeared on my radar for the controversy this sparked
- A New Christianity for a New World: Why Traditional Faith Is Dying and How a New Faith Is Being Born (2002)
- The Sins of Scripture: Exposing the Bible's Texts of Hate to Reveal the God of Love (2005)
- Re-claiming the Bible for a Non-Religious World (2011)
- Biblical Literalism: A Gentile Heresy (2016)
Sarah Bessey
- Jesus Feminist: An Invitation to Revisit the Bible's View of Women
- Out of Sorts: Making Peace with an Evolving Faith
- Miracles and Other Reasonable Things: A story of Unlearning and Relearning God
- Available:
Rob Bell
- Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived
- What We Talk About When We Talk About God
- What Is the Bible?: How an Ancient Library of Poems, Letters, and Stories Can Transform the Way You Think and Feel About Everything
- Everything is Spiritual: Who We Are and What We're Doing Here
- How to Be Here: A Guide to Creating a Life Worth Living
Diana Butler Bass
- Strength for the Journey: A Pilgrimage of Faith in Community
- Broken We Kneel: Reflections on Faith and Citizenship
- Christianity for the Rest of Us: How the Neighborhood Church Is Transforming the Faith
- A People's History of Christianity: The Other Side of the Story
- Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening
- Grounded: Finding God in the World -- A Spiritual Revolution
- Grateful: The Subversive Practice of Giving Thanks
- Freeing Jesus: Rediscovering Jesus as Friend, Teacher, Savior, Lord, Way, and Presence
- Embracing Spiritual Awakening: Diana Butler Bass on the Dynamics of Experiential Faith (A Five-Session Study)
- Available
- The Practicing Congregation: Imagining a New Old Church
- From Nomads to Pilgrims: Stories from Practicing Congregations (with Joseph Stewart-Sicking)
- Existing Request
Barbara Brown Taylor
- When God is Silent (Lyman Beecher Lectures on Preaching)
- Speaking of Sin: The Lost Language of Salvation
- The Luminous Web: Essays on Science and Religion
- The Preaching Life (her preaching autobiography)
- The Seeds of Heaven: Sermons on the Gospel of Matthew
- Gospel Medicine (more sermons)
- Bread of Angels (more sermons)
- God in Pain: Teaching Sermons on Suffering
- Leaving Church: A Memoir of Faith
- An Altar in the World: A Geography of Faith
- Learning to Walk in the Dark
- Holy Envy: Finding God in the Faith of Others
- Always A Guest: Speaking of Faith Far From Home
- Available
- Feasting on the Word (12 vols.) (with David L. Bartlett)
- Mixed Blessings (her earliest collection of sermons)
- Home By Another Way (more sermons)
- Always a Guest: Speaking of Faith Far from Home (audio) only audio is available
- Existing Requests
To be continued, with the other names I listed...
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Thank you Rosie ... this is the way to convince Faithlife there is a market for these titles.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Thank you Rosie ... this is the way to convince Faithlife there is a market for these titles.
I'll believe it when I see it. I'm predicting no more than 3 votes on any of those. That wouldn't be enough to convince Faithlife.
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Functionally what I said. but okMJ. Smith said:abondservant said:Regardless the catholics for instance hold church tradition, and the pope's "ex cathedra" quite highly indeed. When the pope speaks ex cathedra his words are exempted from error in catholic thought.
Please refrain from stating Catholic positions incorrectly. Catholics hold three things highly: Apostolic tradition, Scripture, and the Magisterium (teaching authority of the church from which "ex cathedra" derives - it has been invoked zero to two times in 2000 years.). [Note the magisterium belongs not to the hierarchy but to the Church - what everyone, everywhere, for all time believes]. They are not "added to" Scripture but existed before Scripture existed - Scripture is the last of the three to develop. Historical order apostles --> Church --> Scripture If necessary, I can point you to appropriate resources.
For those concerned that this is OT - it is but is correcting factually incorrect information.
. thank you for the proper terms.
I guess this brings to light a different angle - progressive from whose perspective? I'm guessing there are more people that fit the title of progressive than would self describe that way from certain perspectives.
I'm probably a progressive (or regressive?) from a catholic perspective.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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abondservant said:
Functionally what I said
Not really. Apostolic tradition is very different from church tradition (the latter is not authoritative, the former is). And "ex cathedra" was defined a bit over a century ago to quell some heretical positions as most formal definitions are. It is the magisterium that is the continuous core belief. I fear that if you think your statement is functionally equivalent, I have not successfully communicated how far astray your statement was. But I will leave it there.
abondservant said:I guess this brings to light a different angle - progressive from whose perspective?
"liberal" and "progressive" as I am using them refer to particular schools of theology in the same sense that covenant theology, liberation theology, and narrative theology are schools of theology. To the best of my knowledge (remember I am neither a Protestant nor a theologian) the two schools are both primarily in the mainstream/traditional Protestant thread of theology.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
"liberal" and "progressive" as I am using them refer to particular schools of theology in the same sense that covenant theology, liberation theology, and narrative theology are schools of theology. To the best of my knowledge (remember I am neither a Protestant nor a theologian) the two schools are both primarily in the mainstream/traditional Protestant thread of theology.
Since I come from the evangelical world and know it (and post-evangelicalism) pretty well, I can add that the "progressive" movement is also very strong in the "ex-vangelical" or "post-evangelical" world, people who were never part of mainstream/traditional Protestantism. I'm not sure it is as well-defined yet as to be able to call it a "school of theology" though there are probably attempts to classify certain parts of it that way. For example, there are certain publishers and seminaries that can probably confidently be associated with progressive theology (Beacon Press and HarperOne; Union Theological Seminary, Chicago Theological Seminary come to mind). But as for authors, they are all over the map, since people shift in their theology throughout their writing careers and are more likely to become more progressive later in life, so not all their books could be called progressive.
I'm relatively new to understanding the phenomenon, though, so to me it feels like it is still "emerging"; but it might be better defined than I'm aware.
Beacon Press
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Continuation of my previous post with links to Feedbear requests:
Joan Chittister - another prolific one; a Benedictine nun; this is not an exhaustive list of everything she's written, but I was getting exhausted entering them all; let's see if there's any interest before I add the rest
- The Rule of Benedict: A Spirituality for the 21st Century (Spiritual Legacy Series)
- The Friendship of Women: The Hidden Tradition of the Bible
- The Breath of the Soul: Reflections on Prayer
- Between the Dark and the Daylight: Embracing the Contradictions of Life
- The Time Is Now: A Call to Uncommon Courage
- The Gift of Years: Growing Older Gracefully
- The Monastic Heart: 50 Simple Practices for a Contemplative and Fulfilling Life
- Called to Question: A Spiritual Memoir
- Illuminated Life: Monastic Wisdom for Seekers of Light
- Scarred by Struggle, Transformed by Hope
- Wisdom Distilled from the Daily: Living the Rule of St. Benedict Today
- Welcome to the Wisdom of the World and Its Meaning for You
- The Radical Christian Life: A Year with Saint Benedict
- Following the Path: The Search for a Life of Passion, Purpose, and Joy
- Radical Spirit: 12 Ways to Live a Free and Authentic Life
- The Story of Ruth: Twelve Moments in Every Woman's Life
- Songs of the Heart: Reflections on the Psalms
- For Everything a Season
- Heart of Flesh: Feminist Spirituality for Women and Men
- The Ten Commandments: Laws of the Heart
- The Tent of Abraham: Stories of Hope and Peace for Jews, Christians, and Muslims (with Rabbi Arthur Waskow and Saadi Shakur Chishti)
- Available:
- Liturgical Year: The Spiraling Adventure of the Spiritual Life - The Ancient Practices Series (audio) (only audio available)
- The Monastery of the Heart: An Invitation to the Meaningful Life
- Happiness
- Two Dogs and a Parrot: What Our Animal Friends Can Teach Us about Life
- Existing Request:
Phyllis Tickle
- Christmastide: Prayers for Advent Through Epiphany from The Divine Hours
- Eastertide: Prayers for Lent Through Easter from The Divine Hours
- The Age of the Spirit: How the Ghost of an Ancient Controversy Is Shaping the Church
- The Words of Jesus: A Gospel of the Sayings of Our Lord
- Prayer Is a Place: America's Religious Landscape Observed
- Greed: The Seven Deadly Sins (New York Public Library Lectures in Humanities)
- God Talk in America
- The Shaping of a Life: A Spiritual Landscape
- Available
- The Great Emergence: How Christianity Is Changing and Why
- The Words of Jesus: A Gospel of the Sayings of Our Lord
- Emergence Christianity: What It Is, Where It Is Going, and Why It Matters
- Existing Requests
Anne Lamott; I'm only listing 2 of her novels, since they're the only ones I've read, but she has written a bunch more since then
- Traveling Mercies: Some Thoughts on Faith
- Bird by Bird: Some Instructions on Writing and Life
- Operating Instructions: A Journal of My Son's First Year
- Grace (Eventually): Thoughts on Faith
- Hallelujah Anyway: Rediscovering Mercy
- Almost Everything: Notes on Hope
- Small Victories: Spotting Improbable Moments of Grace
- Stitches: A Handbook on Meaning, Hope and Repair
- Help, Thanks, Wow: The Three Essential Prayers
- Plan B: Further Thoughts on Faith
- Crooked Little Heart: A Novel
- Blue Shoe (novel)
- Available
Randal Rauser
- The Doubters’ Creed: How to Be a Christian When You Don’t Believe It’s True
- Is the Atheist My Neighbor?: Rethinking Christian Attitudes toward Atheism
- Conversations with My Inner Atheist: A Christian Apologist Explores Questions that Keep People Up at Night
- Progressive Christians Love Jesus Too: A Response to Alisa Childers (and the heresy hunters)
- Finding God in The Shack
- What's So Confusing About Grace?
- What on Earth Do We Know about Heaven?: 20 Questions And Answers About Life After Death
- God or Godless?: One Atheist. One Christian. Twenty Controversial Questions. (with John W. Loftus)
- Christian Bellows: Timeless Truth in a World of Lies: A Fundamentalist Apologetics Satire
- Christian Philosophy A–Z (with Daniel Hill)
- Theology in Search of Foundations
- Available
- Faith Lacking Understanding
- You're Not As Crazy As I Think: Dialogue in a World of Loud Voices and Hardened Opinions
- The Swedish Atheist, the Scuba Diver and Other Apologetic Rabbit Trails
- An Atheist and a Christian Walk into a Bar: Talking about God, the Universe, and Everything (with Justin Schieber)
- Existing Request
Brad Jersak - Additional Requests
- Can You Hear Me? Tuning in to the God who Speaks
- IN: Incarnation & Inclusion, Abba & Lamb
- Out of the Embers: Faith After the Great Deconstruction
- From the Cave to the Cross: The Cruciform Theology of George P. Grant and Simone Weil
- Rivers from Eden: 40 Days of Intimate Conversation with God (with Eden Jersak)
Rachel Held Evans - Additional Request
- Wholehearted Faith (with Jeff Chu)
To be continued.... (Just need to post this now so I don't risk losing all my work.)
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MJ. Smith said:
Rachel Held Evans - no requests
- Available:
- Outside the Lines: How Embracing Queerness Will Transform Your Faith | Logos Bible Software
- One Coin Found: How God's Love Stretches to the Margins | Logos Bible Software
- Parenting Forward: How to Raise Children with Justice, Mercy, and Kindness | Logos Bible Software
- Unraptured: How End Times Theology Gets It Wrong | Logos Bible Software
- Inspired: Slaying Giants, Walking on Water, and Loving the Bible Again | Logos Bible Software
- A Year of Biblical Womanhood: How a Liberated Woman Found Herself Sitting on Her Roof, Covering Her Head, and Calling Her Husband 'Master' | Logos Bible Software
- Searching for Sunday: Loving, Leaving, and Finding the Church | Logos Bible Software
- Inspired: Slaying Giants, Walking on Water, and Loving the Bible Again (audio) | Logos Bible Software
- Evolving in Monkey Town: How a Girl Who Knew All the Answers Learned to Ask the Questions | Logos Bible Software
- Faith Unraveled: How a Girl Who Knew All the Answers Learned to Ask Questions | Logos Bible Software
- A Year of Biblical Womanhood: How a Liberated Woman Found Herself Sitting on Her Roof, Covering Her Head, and Calling Her Husband �Master� (audio) | Logos Bible Software
Several of these are not by Rachel Held Evans. She merely wrote the foreword:
- Outside the Lines: How Embracing Queerness Will Transform Your Faith | Logos Bible Software
- One Coin Found: How God's Love Stretches to the Margins | Logos Bible Software
- Parenting Forward: How to Raise Children with Justice, Mercy, and Kindness | Logos Bible Software
- Unraptured: How End Times Theology Gets It Wrong | Logos Bible Software
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Continuation of my previous two posts (part 1 and part 2) with links to Feedbear requests:
Brian McLaren
- The Great Spiritual Migration: How the World's Largest Religion Is Seeking a Better Way to Be Christian
- The Secret Message of Jesus: Uncovering the Truth That Could Change Everything
- Do I Stay Christian?: A Guide for the Doubters, the Disappointed, and the Disillusioned
- Faith After Doubt: Why Your Beliefs Stopped Working and What to Do About It
- We Make the Road by Walking: A Year-Long Quest for Spiritual Formation, Reorientation, and Activation
- Seeking Aliveness: Daily Reflections on a New Way to Experience and Practice the Christian Faith
- Everything Must Change: Jesus, Global Crises, and a Revolution of Hope (non-audio version, since only the audio is available)
- Naked Spirituality: A Life with God in 12 Simple Words
- Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road?: Christian Identity in a Multi-Faith World
- The Galapagos Islands: A Spiritual Journey
- Available
- A New Kind of Christian: A Tale of Two Friends on a Spiritual Journey
- The Story We Find Ourselves In: Further Adventures of a New Kind of Christian (and audio version)
- Finding Our Way Again: The Return of the Ancient Practices (and audio version)
- The Last Word and the Word after That: A Tale of Faith, Doubt, and a New Kind of Christianity
- Finding Faith---A Search for What Is Real (and audio version)
- Finding Faith---A Search for What Makes Sense
- Everything Must Change: Jesus, Global Crises, and a Revolution of Hope (audio) (only audio version available)
- A Generous Orthodoxy (and audio version)
- The Justice Project (with Elisa Padilla & Ashley Bunting Seeber)
- Way of Life Leader Guide: A Study Based on the The Great Spiritual Migration
- Way of Life Participant Guide: A Study Based on The Great Spiritual Migration
- More Ready Than You Realize: The Power of Everyday Conversations (and audio version)
- Adventures in Missing the Point: How the Culture-Controlled Church Neutered the Gospel (with Tony Campolo)
- No existing requests
Peter Enns
- The Sin of Certainty: Why God Desires Our Trust More Than Our "Correct" Beliefs
- The Bible Tells Me So: Why Defending Scripture Has Made Us Unable to Read It
- How the Bible Actually Works: In Which I Explain How An Ancient, Ambiguous, and Diverse Book Leads Us to Wisdom Rather Than Answers―and Why That's Great News
- The Evolution of Adam: What the Bible Does and Doesn't Say about Human Origins
- Telling God's Story: A Parents' Guide to Teaching the Bible
- Curveball: When Your Faith Takes Turns You Never Saw Coming (or How I Stumbled and Tripped My Way to Finding a Bigger God) (forthcoming, 2024; vote to get it in pre-pub please!)
- Available
- Inspiration and Incarnation: Evangelicals and the Problem of the Old Testament, 2nd ed.
- The Evolution of Adam: What the Bible Does and Doesn’t Say about Human Origins
- Ecclesiastes (The Two Horizons Old Testament Commentary | THOTC)
- Exodus (NIV Application Commentary | NIVAC)
- Three Views on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament (Counterpoints) (with Walter Kaiser & Darrell Bock)
- Invitation to Genesis: Participant Book
- Invitation to Genesis: Leader Guide
- The Baker Illustrated Bible Dictionary (he was the OT Editor)
- Dictionary of the Old Testament Wisdom, Poetry, and Writings (IVP Bible Dictionary) (co-edited with Tremper Longman III)
- Five Views on Biblical Inerrancy (Counterpoints) (with four others)
- Existing Requests
- Genesis for Normal People: A Guide to the Most Controversial, Misunderstood, and Abused Book of the Bible (with Jared Byas)
- Exodus for Normal People: A Guide to the Story—and History—of the Second Book of the Bible
- The Bible and the Believer: How to Read the Bible Critically & Religiously (with Marc Zvi Brettler & Daniel J. Harrington)
Elisabeth Schüssler Fiorenza
- New requests
- The Book of Revelation: Justice and Judgment
- Revelation: Vision of a Just World (Proclamation Commentaries)
- Invitation to the Book of Revelation: A commentary on the Apocalypse with complete text from the Jerusalem Bible
- Bread Not Stone: The Challenge of Feminist Biblical Interpretation
- Wo/men, Scripture, and Politics: Exploring the Cultural Imprint of the Bible
- Jesus and the Politics of Interpretation
- Discipleship of Equals: A Critical Feminist Ekklesia-logy of Liberation
- Democratizing Biblical Studies: Toward an Emancipatory Educational Space
- Congress of Wo/men: Religion, Gender, and Kyriarchal Power
- Wisdom Ways: Introducing Feminist Biblical Interpretation
- But She Said: Feminist Practices of Biblical Interpretation
- In Memory of Her: A Feminist Theological Reconstruction of Christian Origins
- Sharing Her Word: Feminist Biblical Interpretation in Context
- Rhetoric and Ethic: The Politics of Biblical Studies
- The Power of the Word: Scripture and the Rhetoric of Empire
- Changing Horizons: Explorations in Feminist Interpretation
- Transforming Vision: Explorations in Feminist The*logy
- Empowering Memory and Movement: Thinking and Working across Borders
- The Power of Naming: A Concilium Reader in Feminist Liberation Theology
Sallie McFague
- New Requests
- Metaphorical Theology: Models of God in Religious Language
- The Body of God: An Ecological Theology
- Models of God: Theology for an Ecological, Nuclear Age
- A New Climate for Theology: God, the World, and Global Warming
- Speaking in Parables: A Study in Metaphor and Theology
- Blessed are the Consumers: Climate Change and the Practice of Restraint
- Super, Natural Christians: How We Should Love Nature
- Sallie McFague: Collected Readings
I could keep going. There are more authors who fall in the Progressive camp. But how useful is this really, listing dozens and dozens of books on Feedbear? Faithlife already can't keep up with my requests as it is.
Is this flood of new suggestions really going to be helpful? (MJ, I'm asking this primarily to you.) I can always hope, but I do have better things to be doing with my time, so I shouldn't get obsessive about this (um, too late for that, as these last 3 posts attest). Anyway, it's a lot quicker to click "Buy Now" dozens of times on Amazon than it is to enter requests on Feedbear and wait 2-10 years for FL to come out with the titles and then buy them here. But will I ever read them anyway? Hmm....
Nevertheless, other names I might posts requests for later if I feel like procrastinating again:
Derek Flood
John Pavlovitz
Brian Zahnd
Deborah Jian Lee
And these three are more in the "spiritual writing" category but are popular among Progressive Christians:
Cynthia Bourgeault
Joyce Rupp
John O'Donohue
More Progressive authors can be found in places like these. These are mostly placeholders for myself to come back to and see if there are more authors that need to have requests added to Feedbear.
https://progressivechristianity.org
https://www.patheos.com/topics/2014-religious-trends/progressive-christian
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Okay, today I was thinking about software functions needed to support progressives (and a large swath of other people) so I could search feedbear promote existing suggestions and/or add additional suggestions. Which of these are on track?
- Allow additional user-defined layouts tied to liturgical dates
- Support additional lectionaries such as the Season of Creation, the Narrative Lectionary, the Feminist Lectionary, Year D, the Uncommon Lectionary ...
- Support sanctoral cycles for Protestant churches e.g. the Uniting Church of Australia . . .
- Support for denominational/ecumenical calendars defined as second Sunday of May, 3rd week of February etc. (I'm thinking of WCC events, Black church, . . . items here)
- Split the Liturgy guide section to have a setting defining the denomination of the resources to show
- Carry position papers from major denominations especially the position papers on environmental and social issues that have broad interest across denominations
- Tag resources for application (actualization) topics which would emphasize spiritual growth, social and environmental responsibilities . . . (I think more users would be interested in this than are interested in the counseling materials) and build appropriate access (Factbook, Guide)
- Broaden the vocabulary of preaching themes and theological topics to use additional vocabulary, It is currently biased towards evangelical vocabulary - expand to include mainstream Protestant and Catholic terminology.
- Apply Factbook tags to Pseudepigraphic, Apocrypha, and other para-biblical materials so that one can easily search for the literary context/connotations of Biblical people, places, and things
- Complete the application of milestones to all para-biblical texts so harmonies, lectionaries, cross-references utilizing both canonical and non-canonical materials work smoothly.
- Add indices for art, music, literature, film, etc. related to scripture
- A dream, perhaps, but try to get discussion guides/study guides for as much of the materials as possible in support of the small congregations without full-time pastors
What have I omitted? Where am I off-track?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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The following would be particularly useful for me and my church. (We follow the RCL, so wouldn't need any special lectionary support.)
MJ. Smith said:- Add indices for art, music, literature, film, etc. related to scripture
We have used TextWeek which has fantastic art and movie indexes, but it's basically a single woman's pet project and she has been overwhelmed with life responsibilities. Many of the links are dead and other parts of the site haven't been completely fleshed out. It would be great if Faithlife were able to take on something of this magnitude and have ALL the art that TextWeek links to in its own media collections. Having external links to website that might not be guaranteed to stay available indefinitely might be risky.
Adding music and literature to what TextWeek has done for art and film would be amazing too. Not just hymns but also great sacred music: Bach and Handel and others. I just took a week-long course at Regent College on the sacred repertoire of J.S. Bach, and it was fantastic. Having links to biblical references in his work in Logos would have enhanced my studies.
MJ. Smith said:- A dream, perhaps, but try to get discussion guides/study guides for as much of the materials as possible in support of the small congregations without full-time pastors
This could maybe be of use to us. We have no full-time pastor and even no part-time pastor, nor paid staff of any sort. We are fully lay/volunteer run. However, I am the only person in my church who uses Logos, but I use it whenever it's my turn to plan a worship service or preach. We tend to do our discussions organically, though. I'm not sure a discussion guide (with discussion questions) would appeal to our congregation. We each bring our background/experience and formulate our own questions to respond to the sermon we've just heard. I find that canned questions cause people to shut up.
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Rosie Perera said:
We each bring our background/experience and formulate our own questions to respond to the sermon we've just heard. I find that canned questions cause people to shut up.
I can see that as the response in some situations. The context I have experience with is more akin to questions on a position paper where the questions help put the paper in context and direct you to the main points; the other area I have experience with is reading guides for literature where the questions help bring out the religious elements of the text which some readers see easily but others need the hints. I have no idea what the general usefulness is.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Okay, today I was thinking about software functions needed to support progressives (and a large swath of other people) so I could search feedbear promote existing suggestions and/or add additional suggestions. Which of these are on track?
- Allow additional user-defined layouts tied to liturgical dates
- Support additional lectionaries such as the Season of Creation, the Narrative Lectionary, the Feminist Lectionary, Year D, the Uncommon Lectionary ...
- Support sanctoral cycles for Protestant churches e.g. the Uniting Church of Australia . . .
- Support for denominational/ecumenical calendars defined as second Sunday of May, 3rd week of February etc. (I'm thinking of WCC events, Black church, . . . items here)
- Split the Liturgy guide section to have a setting defining the denomination of the resources to show
- Carry position papers from major denominations especially the position papers on environmental and social issues that have broad interest across denominations
- Tag resources for application (actualization) topics which would emphasize spiritual growth, social and environmental responsibilities . . . (I think more users would be interested in this than are interested in the counseling materials) and build appropriate access (Factbook, Guide)
- Broaden the vocabulary of preaching themes and theological topics to use additional vocabulary, It is currently biased towards evangelical vocabulary - expand to include mainstream Protestant and Catholic terminology.
- Apply Factbook tags to Pseudepigraphic, Apocrypha, and other para-biblical materials so that one can easily search for the literary context/connotations of Biblical people, places, and things
- Complete the application of milestones to all para-biblical texts so harmonies, lectionaries, cross-references utilizing both canonical and non-canonical materials work smoothly.
- Add indices for art, music, literature, film, etc. related to scripture
- A dream, perhaps, but try to get discussion guides/study guides for as much of the materials as possible in support of the small congregations without full-time pastors
What have I omitted? Where am I off-track?
What a great list.
I know we're talking split-milk (pre-Catholic-team layoff years back; I still regret). But I always thought that Verbum could be far more supportive of worship differences, 'how theologies think' (differently), and a broader 'canon'. It seemed to me, if they could figure that out (code-wise), the same (different features) could then be modularized back to the protestant side, especially as regards expanding around the globe, and newly developing groups (eg progressive, post-evangelical, etc).
Mount Athos remains my touchstone.
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MJ. Smith said:
Tag resources for application (actualization) topics which would emphasize spiritual growth, social and environmental responsibilities . . . (I think more users would be interested in this than are interested in the counseling materials) and build appropriate access (Factbook, Guide)
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Yes! Yes! Yes!
I fully support this. This would open up all sorts of new paths of enquiry.
MJ. Smith said:Apply Factbook tags to Pseudepigraphic, Apocrypha, and other para-biblical materials so that one can easily search for the literary context/connotations of Biblical people, places, and things
I would add Archaeology into this mix.
Nice work MJ. Smith!
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One small step to vote for: SUGGESTION: Handling of para-Biblical texts. - Logos Forums Think of this as a step towards a library classified with a larger view in mind.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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